Could Utd be sold soon?

gaucho_10 said:
Selling to them would make you look like a plastic club, no different then the clubs that had no history, no heritage and are now in tier 1 of European football.

It was Milan and Inter first, but circumstances were different for them. For United to follow it would be a sad thing for football, a capitulation of the beautiful game to some Arab nobodies who want their new toys for political propaganda or just because they can.

Bundes liga is also opening up because there's no other way to compete so for them it's a matter of when, not if.

Few years from now Real, Barca and Bilbao will be the last standing.
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A super rich Arab/Saudi buying UTD wouldn't automatically erase our history or heritage or turn us into 'a plastic club'.

We are currently spending well within our own self made profits on a yearly basis and are spending as much as city. Who's to say that new owners .. however wealthy, would come in and spend significantly more than we are now? Maybe they would spend a little more but our own earnings dictate how much we can spend currently, not the glazers or debt! And certainly not the hypothetical arab money.

This Arab money influx would wipe our debt and thats it. We would probably carry on spending with our profits!
 
shahzadi said:
I am just speechless over some of the comments here. I hope whatever happens, turns out good for the Club.
I think similar destiny awaits for all the big clubs...
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Evidently you're not speechless or you wouldn't be commenting. People are saying -just so you're clear- that ownership by a journalist murdering theocracy in itself would not be good for the club.
 
First time I see it reported in the Middle East today. They name crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman specifically as the one interested in buying the club for £4b.
 
Barca84 said:
On what basis do you think the Glazers would think twice about taking Saudi money? They're businessmen nothing more, nothing less. I doubt they give a feck where the money comes from if they get their price.
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In normal circumstances, I'd agree with you, but these are not normal circumstances. With the current atmosphere of scrutiny/condemnation and MBS's position of power arguably looking a little shaky, this will hopefully be kicked in to the long grass for a while (or, even better, abandoned altogether). Fingers crossed, anyway.
 
Infra-red said:
In normal circumstances, I'd agree with you, but these are not normal circumstances. With the current atmosphere of scrutiny/condemnation and MBS's position of power arguably looking a little shaky, this will hopefully be kicked in to the long grass for a while (or, even better, abandoned altogether). Fingers crossed, anyway.
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But what's that got to do with the Glazers getting their price? It means absolutely nothing to them what MBS's position is and where the money comes from. If he stumps up £4bn they sell.
 
Barca84 said:
But what's that got to do with the Glazers getting their price? It means absolutely nothing to them what MBS's position is and where the money comes from. If he stumps up £4bn they sell.
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I doubt that doing deals to buy football clubs will be top of MBS's mind at this moment, or that the Saudis will be at the top of the Glazers' list of prospective buyers. Maybe in a year or two (if he's still in power). Hopefully never.
 
Infra-red said:
I doubt that doing deals to buy football clubs will be top of MBS's mind at this moment, or that the Saudis will be at the top of the Glazers' list of prospective buyers. Maybe in a year or two (if he's still in power). Hopefully never.
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We're going round in circles here but I don't understand where you get this idea the Glazers would have any sort of selection process for buyers other than whether they've got the money or not. Why would they?
 
Ballache said:
First time I see it reported in the Middle East today. They name crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman specifically as the one interested in buying the club for £4b.
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Have they got an exclusive report or just rehashing what has been written over here in England?
 
Barca84 said:
We're going round in circles here but I don't understand where you get this idea the Glazers would have any sort of selection process for buyers other than whether they've got the money or not. Why would they?
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It's not a question of morals, but, while the US Congress are talking about sanctions for SA, can you really see the Glazers wading in with their hands out asking for 4 billion dollars. I imagine they'll steer clear, for a while at least, and MBS will have far more important things to be worrying about.
 
Ballache said:
First time I see it reported in the Middle East today. They name crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman specifically as the one interested in buying the club for £4b.
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Urgh. Well, hopefully they read the Daily Star and have decided to do a rehash of their story.
 
Infra-red said:
It's not a question of morals, but, while the US Congress are talking about sanctions for SA, can you really see the Glazers wading in with their hands out asking for 4 billion dollars.
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Yes. I see no reason why they wouldn't. If it's not a question of morals what is it? Why do you think the Glazers would be in the least bit concerned about sanctions on SA? What has that to do with them? It's not putting Avram off attending the Future Investment Initiative conference in Riyadh.

I'm finding your stance on this a bit odd. They are interested in money. Nothing else.
 
Not a chance these pass the fit and proper persons test, if it was someone like Newcastle they may get away with it, but in the current political climate, and it being United , the scrutiny would be too big, similar to when Murdoch launched his takeover bid.

It ain't happening. Whether you think that's a good or bad thing doesn't matter.

The only positive i see is that it would further cement us as the most hated club in England and fuel the ABU media more. Seeing the likes of Olly Holt who waxes lyrical over City's mob whilst forgetting their human rights record get in a stir and playing the moral high ground would be hilarious.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
We love you Glazers!
#PleaseNo
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Please no what? People really think Glazers have morals or care who they sell to. If Hitler was alive they would sell him as long as he offered what they wanted. They do not care about who the person is.

The Glazer family have no attachment to the club. What I read about them only one of the siblings is keen on running the club. The others are just waiting for the right chance to cash out.
 
Bojan11 said:
Please no what? People really think Glazers have morals or care who they sell to. If Hitler was alive they would sell him as long as he offered what they wanted. They do not care about who the person is.

The Glazer family have no attachment to the club. What I read about them only one of the siblings is keen on running the club. The others are just waiting for the right chance to cash out.
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I would rather have glazers as our owners than the ones reported.
 
From the Saudi point of view, they wont be bothered about bad press. Its a bit like who has the biggest dick. The Saudi Prince sees Abu Dhabi and the Quataris with a plaything that they have built up from mediocrity to be a big dog in the yard. What better to trump it than buy the best supported club in the world and turn it into a beast that would have no peers? £4 billion is like us paying £40 for the club. Thats if its true they are buying it outright of course.
 
Werder Herzog said:
Not a chance these pass the fit and proper persons test, if it was someone like Newcastle they may get away with it, but in the current political climate, and it being United , the scrutiny would be too big, similar to when Murdoch launched his takeover bid.

It ain't happening. Whether you think that's a good or bad thing doesn't matter.

The only positive i see is that it would further cement us as the most hated club in England and fuel the ABU media more. Seeing the likes of Olly Holt who waxes lyrical over City's mob whilst forgetting their human rights record get in a stir and playing the moral high ground would be hilarious.
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Once Journalists gets nice food and hospitality at OT, they will write how good Saudis for Manchester.
 
Jippy said:
It's a whataboutism in that it's not Hitler potentially taking over the club. I get it that you're trying to get your point across about how vile you find this regime, but ultimately this is a football forum.
Discussion on Saudi foreign picy re Yemen is for the CE.
feck me I hope this is just a rumour.
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'Whataboutery' is generally one of the least useful terms to become a buzzword over the past few years but this is, anyway, in no way 'whataboutery'.

If you say morality doesn't matter then that must include all morality and therefore the worst in history. Otherwise your comments are dishonest and therefore worthless.
 
Werder Herzog said:
Not a chance these pass the fit and proper persons test, if it was someone like Newcastle they may get away with it, but in the current political climate, and it being United , the scrutiny would be too big, similar to when Murdoch launched his takeover bid.

It ain't happening. Whether you think that's a good or bad thing doesn't matter.

The only positive i see is that it would further cement us as the most hated club in England and fuel the ABU media more. Seeing the likes of Olly Holt who waxes lyrical over City's mob whilst forgetting their human rights record get in a stir and playing the moral high ground would be hilarious.
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You sure they wouldn't pass? SO the FA would decline them but their country would continue to do trade deals with them? Not a chance.
 
Werder Herzog said:
Not a chance these pass the fit and proper persons test, if it was someone like Newcastle they may get away with it, but in the current political climate, and it being United , the scrutiny would be too big, similar to when Murdoch launched his takeover bid.

It ain't happening. Whether you think that's a good or bad thing doesn't matter.

The only positive i see is that it would further cement us as the most hated club in England and fuel the ABU media more. Seeing the likes of Olly Holt who waxes lyrical over City's mob whilst forgetting their human rights record get in a stir and playing the moral high ground would be hilarious.
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The Royal family wouldn't be the official owners.
More than likely it goes through an investment group with everything set up to pass every test with flying colours.
This is a country we are dealing with, not Pat the baker down the street.
 
Handsome Devil said:
Random thought if it was to happen, what would become of Ed?
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If they had any sense they’d restructure the club, keep Woody to get more noodle partners or whatever the feck else and get someone to run the football side of things but this is a mob that just killed a journalist in their own embassy while his missus waited outside which from where I’m standing doesn’t really make much sense, so if Woody ends up at left back, don’t be too surprised.
 
Infra-red said:
It's not a question of morals, but, while the US Congress are talking about sanctions for SA, can you really see the Glazers wading in with their hands out asking for 4 billion dollars. I imagine they'll steer clear, for a while at least, and MBS will have far more important things to be worrying about.
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I really don't think MBS will be worrying at all. Doesn't seem the kind who will sit and care about this.

As for the Glazers, they are such a tight knit group that they could do this easily behind closed doors without it leaking out.

A lot of the framework for this is already in place imo with the Saudi Telecom thing set up years ago, same pot of money.

I think it will happen, and when it sets off it will happen quickly.
 
Barca84 said:
Yes. I see no reason why they wouldn't. If it's not a question of morals what is it? Why do you think the Glazers would be in the least bit concerned about sanctions on SA? What has that to do with them? It's not putting Avram off attending the Future Investment Initiative conference in Riyadh.

I'm finding your stance on this a bit odd. They are interested in money. Nothing else.
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Marcelinho87 said:
I really don't think MBS will be worrying at all. Doesn't seem the kind who will sit and care about this.

As for the Glazers, they are such a tight knit group that they could do this easily behind closed doors without it leaking out.

A lot of the framework for this is already in place imo with the Saudi Telecom thing set up years ago, same pot of money.

I think it will happen, and when it sets off it will happen quickly.
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Okay, fair enough. Let's see what happens. I hope you're both wrong.
 
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wolvored said:
From the Saudi point of view, they wont be bothered about bad press. Its a bit like who has the biggest dick. The Saudi Prince sees Abu Dhabi and the Quataris with a plaything that they have built up from mediocrity to be a big dog in the yard. What better to trump it than buy the best supported club in the world and turn it into a beast that would have no peers? £4 billion is like us paying £40 for the club. Thats if its true they are buying it outright of course.
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Indeed. It's the same logic the City mob used ie buy the underperforming neighbour of the globally famous Man United and go about replacing them at the top table. Now we're the underperforming neighbour.
 
Werder Herzog said:
Not a chance these pass the fit and proper persons test, if it was someone like Newcastle they may get away with it, but in the current political climate, and it being United , the scrutiny would be too big, similar to when Murdoch launched his takeover bid.

It ain't happening. Whether you think that's a good or bad thing doesn't matter.

The only positive i see is that it would further cement us as the most hated club in England and fuel the ABU media more. Seeing the likes of Olly Holt who waxes lyrical over City's mob whilst forgetting their human rights record get in a stir and playing the moral high ground would be hilarious.
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Fit and Proper test would have nothing to do with it.

If the UK government are not going to stop Saudi business here then the PL wouldn't have a chance.
 
Werder Herzog said:
Not a chance these pass the fit and proper persons test, if it was someone like Newcastle they may get away with it, but in the current political climate, and it being United , the scrutiny would be too big, similar to when Murdoch launched his takeover bid.

It ain't happening. Whether you think that's a good or bad thing doesn't matter.

The only positive i see is that it would further cement us as the most hated club in England and fuel the ABU media more. Seeing the likes of Olly Holt who waxes lyrical over City's mob whilst forgetting their human rights record get in a stir and playing the moral high ground would be hilarious.
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The fit and proper persons test doesn't test someone's morals, it's purely financial. If it did bar shady characters from buying football clubs City and Chelsea wouldn't have their current owners.

Murdochs bid to buy United failed because of the monopolies commission, it had nothing to do with Murdoch himself.
 
Its incredible the number of "fans" on here who seem to be okay with this. To have owners who run a country that allows women next to no rights, funds terrorists and order goodness knows how many killings every year is okay with some "fans"?? This is the worst thing that could ever happen to this club. I would much rather we don't compete for top players or trophies than to have those guys as our owners.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Fit and Proper test would have nothing to do with it.
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Not sure about that. Bin Salman just got caught having a Washington Post journalist tortured to death and dismembered for criticising him. Graeme Souness would have to change the locks for sure.
 
King7Eric said:
Its incredible the number of "fans" on here who seem to be okay with this. To have owners who run a country that allows women next to no rights, funds terrorists and order goodness knows how many killings every year is okay with some "fans"?? This is the worst thing that could ever happen to this club. I would much rather we don't compete for top players or trophies than to have those guys as our owners.
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I couldn't give a toss who owns the club tbh as long as they do right by Manchester United.

None of those things are good, granted. But none of those things affect Manchester United.

I want an owner to put Manchester United back where they belong, not leech from them so for me the Saudi's get the thumb up.

All my views are from a pure football perspective.
 
King7Eric said:
Its incredible the number of "fans" on here who seem to be okay with this. To have owners who run a country that allows women next to no rights, funds terrorists and order goodness knows how many killings every year is okay with some "fans"?? This is the worst thing that could ever happen to this club. I would much rather we don't compete for top players or trophies than to have those guys as our owners.
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You've never been to a game in England then? There's some horrendous people who follow this game.
 
glazed said:
Not sure about that. Bin Salman just got caught having a Washington Post journalist tortured to death and dismembered for criticising him. Graeme Souness would have to change the locks for sure.
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:lol:

As stated above, the F&P test is to test the financial stability to ensure they won't ruin the club.

Nothing at all to do with whether Binman is a nice guy or not.
 
King7Eric said:
Its incredible the number of "fans" on here who seem to be okay with this. To have owners who run a country that allows women next to no rights, funds terrorists and order goodness knows how many killings every year is okay with some "fans"?? This is the worst thing that could ever happen to this club. I would much rather we don't compete for top players or trophies than to have those guys as our owners.
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You say that like we're going to scrap our Womens teams and decapitate homosexuals before games. NOTHING will change if United is taking over my Saudi Arabia. They'll use United to make their country look more appealing (see City & PSG).

Also unlike his father, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is being hailed as a feminist reformer. He's not as backwards as his father. He's promising things (or at least saying things) to make their country more 20th century in terms of human rights. Whether that's just PR crap only time will tell.

I'm sure he's corrupt in more ways than one and also has views we don't agree with in Europe but this whole ''I'd rather be relegated than be taken over by X'' is bollox. I'd rather United thrive under any ownership than be as shit as we are under the Glazers. What ever the Saudi's do in their spare time in their country has no impact on us or our image.
 
Trizy said:
You say that like we're going to scrap our Womens teams and decapitate homosexuals before games. NOTHING will change if United is taking over my Saudi Arabia. They'll use United to make their country look more appealing (see City & PSG).

Also unlike his father, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is being hailed as a feminist reformer. He's not as backwards as his father. He's promising things (or at least saying things) to make their country more 20th century in terms of human rights. Whether that's just PR crap only time will tell.
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Do you think those are the type of things people are worried about when they object to the idea of the Saudis owning United?
 
Marcelinho87 said:
I couldn't give a toss who owns the club tbh as long as they do right by Manchester United.

None of those things are good, granted. But none of those things affect Manchester United.

I want an owner to put Manchester United back where they belong, not leech from them so for me the Saudi's get the thumb up.

All my views are from a pure football perspective.
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For some of us, me at least, Manchester United is more than just a football team, it represents an institution that we have grown up with and identify with. To have that institution sullied like this would be hard for me to take. But to each their own i guess.
 
stevoc said:
Do you think those are the type of things people are worried about when they object to the idea of the Saudis owning United?
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If not, why would they be against it? Not only does United benefit but also the community. Pros is all I see.

Also the scrapping the Women's team has been asked a few times in this thread already :lol:
 
I don't think being owned by Saudis would make anything worse than it is today on a club basis. On the contrary, we'd probably have owners who would invest in the club instead of plundering it. I would approve of any owner with a strong financial status over the glazers.
 
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