Giggsyking
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Neither do I.I haven’t met one yet who is unhappy how it came about, or about the sneering comments they get from us. All they care about is that they are Champions.
Neither do I.I haven’t met one yet who is unhappy how it came about, or about the sneering comments they get from us. All they care about is that they are Champions.
Oops! Lucky I didn't tag him.Why are you drawing Kostur into this
Come back when it's the Financial Times.
That has nothing to do with this topic. It's a desperate "gotcha".Do those who are against the Saudis buying the club on moral grounds check where the fuel comes from that they put in their car? It could be from Saudi Arabia after all.
Maybe - let’s see if we feel that way if we went 30 odd years without winning anything. In the meantime, taking the moral high ground with your football team ownership is a bit like taking the moral high ground on who owns Sky - pointless unless you are prepared to stop watching it and even then it remains pointless because there are plenty of others to take your place.Maybe we should try being better than the odd lot up the road.
How did you get your place of work and family to move countries too?You can always change where you live and where you pay taxes, I did that.
You could be on to something there.Not related to this thread but people living in ultra nationalistic countries usually have a tendency to view the world through the us vs lens and assume that people in other country do the same as well whereas people living in some countries see themselves as individuals. I believe that is the case behind the ridiculous back and forth argument in this thread that is going nowhere.
Maybe - let’s see if we feel that way if we went 30 odd years without winning anything. In the meantime, taking the moral high ground with your football team ownership is a bit like taking the moral high ground on who owns Sky - pointless unless you are prepared to stop watching it and even then it remains pointless because there are plenty of others to take your place.
What do you mean, "Iraqi civilians"? These people were living in Iraq, and, as everyone knows (apparently), being born or living/paying taxes in a country automatically means that you agree with every aspect of that country's foreign and domestic policy. The people of Iraq, therefore, were clearly one, giant, homogeneous blob of evil, murderous criminals, identical to Saddam and his sons, and deserving of everything they got....
Or, maybe, just maybe, you cannot blame an entire nation for the actions of their government.
I'm also not clear how any of this relates to the topic of this thread. Have the US or UK governments been linked to a takeover of United? If they have, I will oppose it.
I know loads of people who have done that, because they don't want to further line Murdock's pockets.Maybe - let’s see if we feel that way if we went 30 odd years without winning anything. In the meantime, taking the moral high ground with your football team ownership is a bit like taking the moral high ground on who owns Sky - pointless unless you are prepared to stop watching it and even then it remains pointless because there are plenty of others to take your place.
Fully agree, but wouldn't mind if it were true, owners that might want to really do something with a football club instead of just drain it financially.
Shut up big time, you don't know what you are talking about. You just believe what your bullshit american/european media shows you. Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria amassed thousands of casualties just because your governments decided to bring democracy to those countries. The struggles in the middle-east are all due to the shitty regimes that Europe and USA supported in the old days.
If you really think that the civilians in Iraq supported Saddam then you are a stupid waste of flesh. Anyone who opposes dictator regimes is directly killed, sometimes molested before and after, I suggest you read more unbiased documentaries on the struggles in the middle-east and the arab world in general, not what your bullshit media tells you.
...and that’s made all the difference to Sky’s fortunes. As I said, pointless.I know loads of people who have done that, because they don't want to further like Murdock's pockets.
Says the person who needs sarcasm explained to them.Shut up big time, you don't know what you are talking about. You just believe what your bullshit american/european media shows you. Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria amassed thousands of casualties just because your governments decided to bring democracy to those countries. The struggles in the middle-east are all due to the shitty regimes that Europe and USA supported in the old days.
If you really think that the civilians in Iraq supported Saddam then you are a stupid waste of flesh. Anyone who opposes dictator regimes is directly killed, sometimes molested before and after, I suggest you read more unbiased documentaries on the struggles in the middle-east and the arab world in general, not what your bullshit media tells you.
Probably the same people who said they would never watch us again when the Glazers bought the club. Remember the yellow and green scarves? That really brought the Glazers to their knees as I recall.There are plenty of people in this thread saying that they will indeed do that.
Not to them. For some people, doing what they think is right is the point. The kind of "why should I bother doing something if nobody else does" attitude is not really going to advance society, is it?...and that’s made all the difference to Sky’s fortunes. As I said, pointless.
Probably the same people who said they would never watch us again when the Glazers bought the club. Remember the yellow and green scarves? That really brought the Glazers to their knees as I recall.
I’m slowly saving up so I can buy the club, don’t worry guys.
wow ..
I didn't expect to see such hatred and buffoonery towards the Saudis. such a shame ..What made me chuckle though somebody was calling us out on for crime against humanity. Get a grip.
I'm a Saudi, not your typical kind.
It'll be just like City as you see Mansour flexing for the benefit of the good fortunately. Muhammed bin Salman is a sophisticated man with a vision and he has what it takes to be the best.
It'll be a fresh start. Why so pessimistic ?
I’ll throw in a few quid too.
It depends upon what your ideas of ‘advancing society’ are. If stamping your feet and walking away from Utd because you don’t like the owners fits the definition, fair enough, although I struggle to understand exactly what element of society has been ‘advanced’.Not to them. For some people, doing what they think is right is the point. The kind of "why should I bother doing something if nobody else does" attitude is not really going to advance society, is it?
I obviously don't mean that solely in regard to football club support, but I'm sure you already knew that. Sometimes an individual or small group of people making a personal stand against something results in actual positive change to society.It depends upon what your ideas of ‘advancing society’ are. If stamping your feet and walking away from Utd because you don’t like the owners fits the definition, fair enough, although I struggle to understand exactly what element of society has been ‘advanced’.
Nothing to stop the Prince from buying shares though....As expected.
We can close this thread.
I haven’t met one yet who is unhappy how it came about, or about the sneering comments they get from us. All they care about is that they are Champions.
I've met loads who think the club is just a hollow shell these days. Plenty of them have sacked off going since the takeover as it just isn't the same club they used to support.I haven’t met one yet who is unhappy how it came about, or about the sneering comments they get from us. All they care about is that they are Champions.
I didn't mean it in a racial context. Republican/Democrats what's the difference? USA has been killing civilians around the globe for the last half a century. In it's own country and abroad. But no, the world would not be up in arms as much as if the Saudis are doing it.I really don't think majority of posters think in the way you are assuming (British or American - White?). They would be just as up in arms if it was the current republican regime trying to lead a consortium to buy the club.
This racial bias angle that is being used to defend the Saudi government in this thread is disingenuous IMO. I think most fans just want owners who are not tied to any questionable forms of political power. Quite frankly we should be avoiding anyone with strong political ties full stop.. the club should not be used as a pawn of a political head. Give me a shady businessman instead any day of the week than that.
No one is saying no Saudi's full stop.. that would be racism or more accurately xenophobic. They're just saying no to the actual Royal Family especially in its current form.
Likely because people don't want United associated with the Saudi regime for obvious reasons.
Which of my statements are baseless? I never tried to paint some as hypocrites, I said we all are in some sorts including myself.Do we? You've made an awful lot of baseless statements and assumptions in this thread, in an effort to paint some of us as hypocrites who only sometimes "choose to have morals".
I'm aware of the fact that people of any nation can hold a wide variety of opinions as a society, rather than abiding by whatever strange idea Kostur off Redcafe has of them as a homogenised entity.