Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

Sandikan said:
The powers that be aren't morons. They'll be as aware of this as a guy on a forum.
Yet there's still loads of talk of it starting up not far away.
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The media are going round in circles on this now, one day it's on with some ludicrous plan, the next it's not going to happen, the whole thing is a greed fueled farce.

madzo2007 said:
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:lol: Well, that should improve the atmosphere at the Emptyhad at least.

Ether said:
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Last week it was the Fifa Medical advisor and now it's the league medical experts, whyen are these greedier feckers going to wake up and can this season.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
He's one player out of all from two divisions to say anything against the procedure being put in place.

He's already said that his girlfriend has gone to Belgium in the meantime, which is the logical thing to do. People ask have to realise that football clubs also need football back to survive and prevent heavy losses. Players would need to sacrifice a bit to complete the season given the strict procedures in place.

Again, it's not as if football is the only industry being brought back in Germany. Slowly all industries are coming back all with the same risks that football faces.
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I think this is something people tend to forget when they want to accommodate footballers who are trapped in their own little bubbles. Life is still going on in the real world for some folk & it'll continue for more & more as the lockdown gets eased over time. I work in the food manufacturing industry & we are as busy as we've ever been in trying to keep up with demand. The company I work for has done it's best in trying to ensure social distancing is adhered to, but due to the number of people who work at our plant it's nigh on impossible to keep workers 2m apart at all times. Just on our shift alone we've had 5 people test positive for Covid-19 over the past 4 weeks. Thankfully all 5 have not suffered symptoms serious enough to be hospitalized, but it shows just how close to home to virus is, & that includes footballers.
 
redman5 said:
I think this is something people tend to forget when they want to accommodate footballers who are trapped in their own little bubbles. Life is still going on in the real world for some folk & it'll continue for more & more as the lockdown gets eased over time. I work in the food manufacturing industry & we are as busy as we've ever been in trying to keep up with demand. The company I work for has done it's best in trying to ensure social distancing is adhered to, but due to the number of people who work at our plant it's nigh on impossible to keep workers 2m apart at all times. Just on our shift alone we've had 5 people test positive for Covid-19 over the past 4 weeks. Thankfully all 5 have not suffered symptoms serious enough to be hospitalized, but it shows just how close to home to virus is, & that includes footballers.
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We also have to remember that the UK has the greatest number of people who tested positive in Europe and that a second wave of the virus can be even worse than the first.
 
What rules are rumoured to be adopted in Germany when the Bundesliga returns?

Rolling substitutions?
4 x 20 minute quarters?
Goals from outside the box worth more points?

Surely they’re not considering resuming under the same old boring rules are they?
 
Figgins said:
There is no disputing that sport/football supports directly and indirectly others. Football directly supports less as a proportion of its revenue than many other industries. Add that to the centralised and BCD matches, it boots the financial impact argument out of the park.
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None of this explains the indirect support. Regardless, the argument was about the contribution to national GDP. The fact is football affects the livelihood of a non-negligible amount of people (just the entertainment industry).
 
stevoc said:
What rules are rumoured to be adopted in Germany when the Bundesliga returns?

Rolling substitutions?
4 x 20 minute quarters?
Goals from outside the box worth more points?

Surely they’re not considering resuming under the same old boring rules are they?
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Ah, we across the pond have some exciting changes we'd like to propose when football restarts:

Cheerleaders
Quarter sponsorships (second quarter brought to you by Carlsberg)
Allow fights between the captains plus an additional designated player on each team
 
christinaa said:
We also have to remember that the UK has the greatest number of people who tested positive in Europe and that a second wave of the virus can be even worse than the first.
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Exactly, & that's why I feel if there's no guarantee of safety in football in the here & now, or for the foreseeable future, then the most logical thing to do is put this season on ice & restart things only when it is completely safe to do so. There's going to be the mother of all recessions that'll follow this. Football's foundations are built on money, so sadly a lot of clubs - just like all other types of business - are going to go to the wall. That FIFA guy may well be a medical expert but I doubt he has a crystal ball that will tell us when the 2nd wave will come, or exactly how long it'll last for.
 
redman5 said:
So what's going to change in the next few months that'll make it safe to such an extent that next season will be 100% guaranteed to be completed ?
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I assume the thinking is that if nothing changes then no football is played, but if it does end up being safe then a new season would be smarter economically.
 
The DFL hasn't wasted any time after getting the green light from the government earlier. Bundesliga restarts next Friday, May 15th.
 
TheLord said:
From what I gather, the first major hurdle to a potential resumption of the season is whether 14 clubs will agree with the idea of playing the remainder of the season in neutral venues. If that agreement is not reached, I am sure that is curtains for the season.
Even if the ‘neutral venue issue’ agreement is reached, there are dozens of other serious issues, but seemingly, this is the first point of contention.
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They will because corporate greed dictates it. The pressure they'll be put under to agree will be enormous.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
The DFL hasn't wasted any time after getting the green light from the government earlier. Bundesliga restarts next Friday, May 15th.
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Every week the league is played before the other big leagues start is an advantage as it might attract viewers that usually do not watch...
 
Pagh Wraith said:
The DFL hasn't wasted any time after getting the green light from the government earlier. Bundesliga restarts next Friday, May 15th.
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I wish them well but I don't think it is right. That was money that spoke. Not common sense. Have the documents been presented in media how it is going to work? I mean, if they are suspending Kalou for shaking hands with some people I guess there will be minimum 15 players suspended each game for touching other players in games.
 
90 + 5min said:
I wish them well but I don't think it is right. That was money that spoke. Not common sense. Have the documents been presented in media how it is going to work? I mean, if they are suspending Kalou for shaking hands with some people I guess there will be minimum 15 players suspended each game for touching other players in games.
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Why? The players are now tested once or twice a week and are mainly in quarantine...
 
He'sRaldo said:
I assume the thinking is that if nothing changes then no football is played, but if it does end up being safe then a new season would be smarter economically.
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There'll be economic consequences by not finishing this season though. If there was an absolute certainty that football could be played to completion with crowds in attendance then maybe it would be worth the cost. But there isn't a even modicum of certainty that this virus won't come back with a vengeance later on in the year & further cripple the footballing industry.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
The DFL hasn't wasted any time after getting the green light from the government earlier. Bundesliga restarts next Friday, May 15th.
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Players have been training at their clubs for weeks now, aside from a couple from what I've read (Bremen and Paderborn), so they don't need a massive training camp. Bayern are apparently going to have their players and staff live in a hotel together for a week as they scale up the intensity and focus on their next league match in a week or so.

Also, testing has been widely available throughout the country, so that's great. One thing people might be missing is that Bundelsiga and 2 are going to resume. And I haven't heard or read anything about neutral sites, etc.. So compared to England, both the top flight and 2nd flight have been developing a comprehensive plan. In England, it's just been serious discussions for Premier League with a major amendment such as neutral playing sites.
 
Blackwidow said:
Why? The players are now tested once or twice a week and are mainly in quarantine...
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But why suspend Kalou for breaking rules? He was tested and it came negative. He was suspended for shaking hands and not taking this "serious". Just read Hertha Berlin statement. So I was asking the poster if it has come some documents in german media explaining exactly how things are going to work. Because I don't know what he has done that it would be worse then 22 players playing with close contact in games? Unless they play without any contact at all.
 
90 + 5min said:
But why suspend Kalou for breaking rules? He was tested and it came negative. He was suspended for shaking hands and not taking this "serious". Just read Hertha Berlin statement. So I was asking the poster if it has come some documents in german media explaining exactly how things are going to work. Because I don't know what he has done that it would be worse then 22 players playing with close contact in games? Unless they play without any contact at all.
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In my eyes there is a difference between the time before this when no tests were made and players were exercising in small groups with no contact training etc.
 
90 + 5min said:
But why suspend Kalou for breaking rules? He was tested and it came negative. He was suspended for shaking hands and not taking this "serious". Just read Hertha Berlin statement. So I was asking the poster if it has come some documents in german media explaining exactly how things are going to work. Because I don't know what he has done that it would be worse then 22 players playing with close contact in games? Unless they play without any contact at all.
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90 + 5min said:
I wish them well but I don't think it is right. That was money that spoke. Not common sense. Have the documents been presented in media how it is going to work? I mean, if they are suspending Kalou for shaking hands with some people I guess there will be minimum 15 players suspended each game for touching other players in games.
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Do you feck :lol:
Bordering on agenda posting at this stage. Think everyone can appreciate the situation and unsurety in England make the argument for/against a return of football understandable. But you now aggressively attacking the German return is baffling and like I said appears agenda driven.

Germany by all accounts in comparison to other big eu nations have got through this very well. Less than 8,000 deaths. There’s no reports of emergency services struggling for equipment. Their testing has been so efficient, they’re literally saying there’s nobody else left to test and they’re sending test kits abroad.
You have German people in this thread telling you the situation is under control and that everything is opening up yet you’re still going on and on. What makes you know better than the people actually running the entire country of Germany?

90 + 5min said:
But why suspend Kalou for breaking rules? He was tested and it came negative. He was suspended for shaking hands and not taking this "serious". Just read Hertha Berlin statement. So I was asking the poster if it has come some documents in german media explaining exactly how things are going to work. Because I don't know what he has done that it would be worse then 22 players playing with close contact in games? Unless they play without any contact at all.
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I can’t even tell if this is a deliberately disingenuous question to prove a rubbish point or that you can’t actually tell the difference.
 
Leroy The Red said:
Do you feck :lol:
Bordering on agenda posting at this stage. Think everyone can appreciate the situation and unsurety in England make the argument for/against a return of football understandable. But you now aggressively attacking the German return is baffling and like I said appears agenda driven.

Germany by all accounts in comparison to other big eu nations have got through this very well. Less than 8,000 deaths. There’s no reports of emergency services struggling for equipment. Their testing has been so efficient, they’re literally saying there’s nobody else left to test and they’re sending test kits abroad.
You have German people in this thread telling you the situation is under control and that everything is opening up yet you’re still going on and on. What makes you know better than the people actually running the entire country of Germany?


I can’t even tell if this is a deliberately disingenuous question to prove a rubbish point or that you can’t actually tell the difference.
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What? Aggressively attacking? Where? I said, I wish them well, but don't agree with them. I don't have any agenda. Why should I?

I asked German poster in here if there is documents in media that we can read. That tells exactly how games are going to be played. I am realy curious. Where did I say that I know better?

It was good question. If you aren't allowed to shake hands and are suspended for that how are you allowed to, for example, mark players at corners. So please explain to me how shaking hands is worse then hugging, spitting, sweating, holding during matches? And when you have done that tell me, should a player be suspended if they after a goal hug, shake hand och give high five to their teammates?
 
Anyone else feels like it's Alabaster codify all over again when Leroy the Red shows up?

You seem to have the same issues as that poor guy, looking only for positives and not seeing anything beyond those things. It's on the brink of dangerous, I'd say.
 
90 + 5min said:
What? Aggressively attacking? Where? I said, I wish them well, but don't agree with them. I don't have any agenda. Why should I?

I asked German poster in here if there is documents in media that we can read. That tells exactly how games are going to be played. I am realy curious. Where did I say that I know better?

It was good question. If you aren't allowed to shake hands and are suspended for that how are you allowed to, for example, mark players at corners. So please explain to me how shaking hands is worse then hugging, spitting, sweating, holding during matches? And when you have done that tell me, should a player be suspended if they after a goal hug, shake hand och give high five to their teammates?
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How can you not tell the difference? Think about how what Kalou did would be perceived by the public. There’s skepticism about football continuing. And In the middle of players being tested here’s one player who decides its a smart idea to start video recording him messing about and shaking peoples hands. It doesn’t take much for people to have a go at footballers. He was unprofessional and this is not the time for tomfoolery and he put it out on social media with no regard. That’s why he was banned. I mean are you actually expecting red cards to be brandished for team mates high fiving ?each other?
Bosnian_fan said:
Anyone else feels like it's Alabaster codify all over again when Leroy the Red shows up?

You seem to have the same issues as that poor guy, looking only for positives and not seeing anything beyond those things. It's on the brink of dangerous, I'd say.
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Excellent, so you’re trying to compare me to someone who was wrongly suggesting people on here had deep rooted mental heath issues by ......suggesting I have mental health issues :lol:
 
90 + 5min said:
But why suspend Kalou for breaking rules? He was tested and it came negative. He was suspended for shaking hands and not taking this "serious". Just read Hertha Berlin statement. So I was asking the poster if it has come some documents in german media explaining exactly how things are going to work. Because I don't know what he has done that it would be worse then 22 players playing with close contact in games? Unless they play without any contact at all.
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Everyone will be tested the day before the game and results will be known then. So there is no, or rather very little, chance of anyone having the virus playing and therefore spreading it during play.

I hope that answers your question.
 
You just accused someone who has different opinion to yours that he doesn't wish Bundesliga well. If you see no problem with that, then I can't help you.
 
Leroy The Red said:
How can you not tell the difference? Think about how what Kalou did would be perceived by the public. There’s skepticism about football continuing. And In the middle of players being tested here’s one player who decides its a smart idea to start video recording him messing about and shaking peoples hands. It doesn’t take much for people to have a go at footballers. He was unprofessional and this is not the time for tomfoolery and he put it out on social media with no regard. That’s why he was banned. I mean are you actually expecting red cards to be brandished for team mates high fiving ?each other?
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So it is not okey shaking hand but okey playing football with all contact? Don't you see any contradictory in here?

I'm not expecting red cards. But how can you suspend one player for things that are certain to happen multiple times in games?

hasanejaz88 said:
Everyone will be tested the day before the game and results will be known then. So there is no, or rather very little, chance of anyone having the virus playing and therefore spreading it during play.

I hope that answers your question.
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Thank you. I knew that. But if you test players why would you have any other rules at games? That is why I was realy curious about documents and what they say so I don't have to go by media rumours. So if there is some detalied document I would be happy to read.

I would be more understanding if they just said "We will test players and if they don't have it it is good to go. Play as normal".

I am also wondering how they think it is ok suspending Kalou for what he did when they know players would be even less cautious on the pitch. I understand it is about what image they want to send out but suspending him and then playing games just makes it contradictory.

Leroy The Red said:
Yes because it is based purely on that one single comment he made and nothing else :rolleyes:
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I'm have very clear position in this. I don't think it is right time to play and would cancel leagues and start planing for next season because of many things. Not one, not two, not five but for many many things.
 
So, football, which includes tackles and grabbing each other by the jersey/throat/hair resumes in Germany in 8 days and a player is getting suspended for shaking hands (and singing) right now? While I understand the sentiment, how exactly are they planning to play football with no contact?
 
wr8_utd said:
So, football, which includes tackles and grabbing each other by the jersey/throat/hair resumes in Germany in 8 days and a player is getting suspended for shaking hands (and singing) right now? While I understand the sentiment, how exactly are they planning to play football with no contact?
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Apparently they’ve been circulating videos of Tom Cleverley
 
Well, the concern he has voiced is a legitimate one, and I haven't seen his points rebuffed in your post.

So, Kalou for sure isn't positive, because he only got the results of his testing back before the incident. We know that for a fact, because Hertha said it in their statement.

We also know that Hertha's players are training in four groups of eight, so it's not like they don't have contact beside the handshake incident. Which kind of makes the incident unimportant, as there are way more dangerous types of contact around the training ground than the handshake itself.

Handshake is much less of a risk than training together and especially playing games. So, if we are looking at the unnecessary behaviors, it's hard to understand why the handshake is such a problematic thing, but football itself isn't.

To me it looks like that Kalou actually played well into the books of decision makers, as they had the chance to swiftly remove someone who is not following the rules, and picture themselves as if they were on the top of the situation. Only time will tell if they are, but it does look like a hypocrisy to punish someone for handshake while at the same time encouraging players to engage in way more dangerous activities.

As far as I know, Germany still has over thousand new cases daily, I really think the kick-off is too sudden. South Korea has practically eliminated virus, and I'd say they should be viewed as golden standard in terms of how to run the society in pandemic. Haven't even had the lockdown, but have made absolutely sure that transmissions are close to zero before resuming the season.
 
Bosnian_fan said:
Well, the concern he has voiced is a legitimate one, and I haven't seen his points rebuffed in your post.

So, Kalou for sure isn't positive, because he only got the results of his testing back before the incident. We know that for a fact, because Hertha said it in their statement.

We also know that Hertha's players are training in four groups of eight, so it's not like they don't have contact beside the handshake incident. Which kind of makes the incident unimportant, as there are way more dangerous types of contact around the training ground than the handshake itself.

Handshake is much less of a risk than training together and especially playing games. So, if we are looking at the unnecessary behaviors, it's hard to understand why the handshake is such a problematic thing, but football itself isn't.

To me it looks like that Kalou actually played well into the books of decision makers, as they had the chance to swiftly remove someone who is not following the rules, and picture themselves as if they were on the top of the situation. Only time will tell if they are, but it does look like a hypocrisy to punish someone for handshake while at the same time encouraging players to engage in way more dangerous activities.

As far as I know, Germany still has over thousand new cases daily, I really think the kick-off is too sudden. South Korea has practically eliminated virus, and I'd say they should be viewed as golden standard in terms of how to run the society in pandemic. Haven't even had the lockdown, but have made absolutely sure that transmissions are close to zero before resuming the season.
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90 + 5min said:
So it is not okey shaking hand but okey playing football with all contact? Don't you see any contradictory in here?

I'm not expecting red cards. But how can you suspend one player for things that are certain to happen multiple times in games?


Thank you. I knew that. But if you test players why would you have any other rules at games? That is why I was realy curious about documents and what they say so I don't have to go by media rumours. So if there is some detalied document I would be happy to read.

I would be more understanding if they just said "We will test players and if they don't have it it is good to go. Play as normal".

I am also wondering how they think it is ok suspending Kalou for what he did when they know players would be even less cautious on the pitch. I understand it is about what image they want to send out but suspending him and then playing games just makes it contradictory.


I'm have very clear position in this. I don't think it is right time to play and would cancel leagues and start planing for next season because of many things. Not one, not two, not five but for many many things.
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The fact that everyone is now talking about Salomon Kalou shaking someone’s hand says it all. Like you’ve both said more contact will go on in games, it is a physical impossibility for it not to so that’s obviously not the sole reason for his suspension.

He’s now drawn unnecessary negative attention to the situation. They were doing testing, They’re already under intense scrutiny. I imagine lots of players at that stage hadn’t been tested and he’s there dicking about. Just behave for an hour, keep yourself to yourself. It’s not really a surprise, footballers have a habit of shooting themselves in the foot all the time.
We’ve seen players do dumb stuff all the time, in isolation some of it not actually particularly “offensive” but they’ve still been punished because it’s ill timed and thoughtless. Kalou is guilty of this.

Outside of Germany , people are still not allowed to see their families and get close to people, meanwhile here’s this footballer lucky enough to be getting tested and work and he’s goofing about on social media. Its a PR disaster. To be honest If footballers start doing shit like this I think you’d have fair grounds to start shutting the whole thing down.
 
But he was negative, and all of his teammates too. What wrong did he do?

Of course, in different circumstances it would have been wrong. But surely not in these. I mean, he just trained for over an hour with some of these guys, tackling, breathing heavily, spitting, sweating and all. And in ten days or so, they will be playing football, with exactly the same procedure, starting to play AFTER negative test. He shaked hands AFTER negative test.

So for sure, either both types of behaviour are dangerous, or neither is.

But no, they will picture Kalous as careless idiot for not following rules, while at the same time they are pictured as people generally concerned both with wellbeing of football and players. And they will be endangering Kalou and the likes of Kalou far more than he did endanger himself and his teammates.

And why is negative attention problem? Are they hiding something, or are they afraid that someone is going to prove them wrong if there is too much attention to what is going on? Surely Kalou isn't the only one doing this, he is the only one recording it.
 
arnie_ni said:
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Breaking protocol/medical advice I guess. Even players that test negative still have to follow it. Asides the need for strict adherence to protocol one could easily have contracted it since the time of their test samples being taken. This is easily how players are going to spread it unknowingly. Thirdly and probably the most honest reason is it was just really really really stupid of him to do it on social media. Showing leniency would then look like they don't take it seriously. I'm guessing no one in the club would have taken action otherwise. Even generally authorities are ready to overlook minor misdemeanours till some moron forces their hand by doing it on social media
 
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