Like seeing graphics in sports games in early 90’. Some catchy music during games and young generation will know how it was to play games. The only thing that is missing is cameras from above during whole games but surly it can be done and be more safe.Awesome, pair it with this and it's like real football's back!
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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I would love to hear it once. Just to hear abuses. Just thinking about ManUtd - Liverpool as example.
Would that be every time away team have ball in natural stadiums? This is starting to be pure comedy.
Don't worry as we will have the privilege of seeing 5 substitutions in the last 5 minutes to uphold the values of this noble game.
I’m finding it very strange that Prof. Ferguson has stepped back at the same time different rules are being agreed with the PL.
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You do know that in the event of curtailing, it is highly unlikely that Sky, BT and the other broadcasters will pay out, right?
while they have given some outlines I haven’t seen details? For example if one of the protocols was contentious and players are told it’s ok then they catch the virus during a game, then there would be the potential for suits. It’s all about whether your employer could have known it was putting you at risk unnecessarily and if you can get a judge to agree with you.
imagine a player scholes, aged 24,, catches it, his lungs are fecked and he can’t play football again? The club knows the risks, the player says he isn’t happy, the club say play or you are done (as people have said in here),if any of the protocols don’t stand up he can sue.
It has nothing to with government because they will not decide protocols they will say “if it can be done safely”
But football literally is non essential
The government just want to reopen it to deflect from other stuff
Not wanting to be relegated before the season has actually ended and to have a fair chance of staying up. Could not be remotely described as wanting to have their cake and eat it.
| TEAM | P | W | D | L | GF | GA | GD | PTS | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Liverpool | 29 | 27 | 1 | 1 | 66 | 21 | 45 | 82 |
| 2 | Manchester City | 28 | 18 | 3 | 7 | 68 | 31 | 37 | 57 |
| 3 | Leicester City | 29 | 16 | 5 | 8 | 58 | 28 | 30 | 53 |
| 4 | Chelsea | 29 | 14 | 6 | 9 | 51 | 39 | 12 | 48 |
| 5 | Manchester United | 29 | 12 | 9 | 8 | 44 | 30 | 14 | 45 |
| 6 | Wolverhampton Wanderers | 29 | 10 | 13 | 6 | 41 | 34 | 7 | 43 |
| 7 | Sheffield United | 28 | 11 | 10 | 7 | 30 | 25 | 5 | 43 |
| 8 | Tottenham Hotspur | 29 | 11 | 8 | 10 | 47 | 40 | 7 | 41 |
| 9 | Arsenal | 28 | 9 | 13 | 6 | 40 | 36 | 4 | 40 |
| 10 | Burnley | 29 | 11 | 6 | 12 | 34 | 40 | -6 | 39 |
| 11 | Crystal Palace | 29 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 26 | 32 | -6 | 39 |
| 12 | Everton | 29 | 10 | 7 | 12 | 37 | 46 | -9 | 37 |
| 13 | Newcastle United | 29 | 9 | 8 | 12 | 25 | 41 | -16 | 35 |
| 14 | Southampton | 29 | 10 | 4 | 15 | 35 | 52 | -17 | 34 |
| 15 | Brighton and Hove Albion | 29 | 6 | 11 | 12 | 32 | 40 | -8 | 29 |
| 16 | West Ham United | 29 | 7 | 6 | 16 | 35 | 50 | -15 | 27 |
| 17 | Watford | 29 | 6 | 9 | 14 | 27 | 44 | -17 | 27 |
| 18 | Bournemouth | 29 | 7 | 6 | 16 | 29 | 47 | -18 | 27 |
| 19 | Aston Villa | 28 | 7 | 4 | 17 | 34 | 56 | -22 | 25 |
| 20 | Norwich City | 29 | 5 | 6 | 18 | 25 | 52 | -27 | 21 |
How can you relegate Bournemouth on the same points as two other teams?
How can you relegate Villa who have a game in hand and potentially leap frog up to 16th if they were given a chance to play it?
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Yeah the last 5 minutes of a 40 minute half remember.
Integrity of the sport maintained. Just not sure which sport it would be.
Just watched an interview with a Belgian player of Köln - said they trained all day with the 3 players which have afterwards been confirmed as positive cases. Not sure how one can justify that? His wife is a heart patient too, so he's not eager on playing out the season.
The virus is slowing down but simply hasn't died down fast enough to warrant any restart of a sports competition. We don't even know what the long-term effects on health will be, e.g. lung or heart complications. It's just not worth it for a top professional to sacrifice or risk his entire career to play a few more games because the leagues want them to. It's sad, and everyone wants to see some football ASAP, but it's just not responsible or even justifiable at this moment.
I think there's also a discrepancy between players who don't have anything left to play for (Aguero) and those who do (De Bruyne) regarding their desire to finish the season. Some would say it's an acceptable risk, others wouldn't bother anymore because what's the point.
The virus is slowing down but simply hasn't died down fast enough to warrant any restart of a sports competition. We don't even know what the long-term effects on health will be, e.g. lung or heart complications. It's just not worth it for a top professional to sacrifice or risk his entire career to play a few more games because the leagues want them to. It's sad, and everyone wants to see some football ASAP, but it's just not responsible or even justifiable at this moment.
I think there's also a discrepancy between players who don't have anything left to play for (Aguero) and those who do (De Bruyne) regarding their desire to finish the season. Some would say it's an acceptable risk, others wouldn't bother anymore because what's the point.
The equivalent of the violinists playing as the titanic sank; footballers are intended to entertain as the economy sinks.. Don't Panic Don't Panic Don't Panic Mr Mannering..
Maybe one of the german lads can comment but I dont understand why they have delayed by a week. Is it because of the 10 cases, because they have said its to ensure a quarantine of 14 days. If that is the case what happens when you get another 10 cases, I though the point was that they didnt care if there were individual players with the virus, the games would go on?
We know they won't do that, it would literally be madness. They will want to do no relegation, crown liverpool as champions and have done with it, not sure how that works with the promotions, but in theory they don't have to do it. It would be easier to say no promotions, than relegate based on that table. I didn't think they would push through games, but now I can see thats what they will try to do regardless of the problems it might cause. That way at least noone could complain really, yes they will ignore the issues of the neutral grounds, etc. This is arguably good news for us, as we benefit from playing against a lot of teams who are out of form anyway, etc. Not sure I think its a good idea, based on the limited information they have put out, but I can see the logic of finishing.
Yeah, it’s madness
It feels very irresponsible that clubs are beginning training or asking their players to return to begin training if there is no decision yet on when footballing starts again.
EDIT: A lot of discussion about fairness but I don't understand how anyone can find it fair that a club could be relegated because the season has changed to shorter halves, more subs and different venues. That isn't just one alteration to a competition, it's several. One of them damages the integrity of what happens and it would be madness for them to go ahead with several. The whole point of the way the competition is structured currently is to try and not give unfair advantages or influence game outcomes. By altering rules they are influencing the games that still need to go ahead and I'd be very pissed off if I was a club in the relegation zone.
Take the shorter halves rule for example. There was a stat which showed that if Wolves only played the first half of their game they'd be in the bottom half. If they only played the second half they'd be very high in the table. There are clubs who perform better the more they grow into a game and vice versa. It's completely unfair to influence that.
EDIT: A lot of discussion about fairness but I don't understand how anyone can find it fair that a club could be relegated because the season has changed to shorter halves, more subs and different venues. That isn't just one alteration to a competition, it's several. One of them damages the integrity of what happens and it would be madness for them to go ahead with several. The whole point of the way the competition is structured currently is to try and not give unfair advantages or influence game outcomes. By altering rules they are influencing the games that still need to go ahead and I'd be very pissed off if I was a club in the relegation zone.
Take the shorter halves rule for example. There was a stat which showed that if Wolves only played the first half of their game they'd be in the bottom half. If they only played the second half they'd be very high in the table. There are clubs who perform better the more they grow into a game and vice versa. It's completely unfair to influence that.
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Finishing is the only fair way of sorting it out. But as many in here have been saying and others in denial about there is a time limit on when it can finish. This is now obvious with the crazy ideas they are throwing around to get it finished before June.
Games behind closed doors ok not ideal but ok. Then they stretch it to neutral venues at which point they’re stretching the integrity of the competition. But just enough that they could get away with it.
But now with 5 subs and shorter half’s they are taking the absolute piss. Not only would that not be a continuation of the competition that began last august it couldn’t even be described as the same sport.
Can't really blame the clubs here. FA should be the one who need to take a decision. If they are siding with restarting the league, clubs have no other option than to call the players for training and to build their match fitness. The only thing one can blame the clubs is of not being stubborn with their demands here and questioning the FA as to who would be responsible if a player gets infected and the long term impact due to it
Brighton are playing a pretty transparent (shameless?) game at the moment.
There is merit to the view that lower-placed clubs (particularly those that rely on their ‘raucous’ home atmospheres to gather points) will suffer a little. But the neutral venue idea has even more logistical merit. Integrity is a slippery slope right now; it’s about finding compromise, ultimately. I mean, United and Spurs can welcome the returns of Pogba, Rashford, Kane and Son. Doesn’t that withdraw a degree of integrity? I don’t care, but if clubs want to play that game...
I’d like to see the season continue to a conclusion. All games played; a champion; relegations; the lot. Of course, this relies upon regular testing and having the resources to do so.
There is merit to the view that lower-placed clubs (particularly those that rely on their ‘raucous’ home atmospheres to gather points) will suffer a little. But the neutral venue idea has even more logistical merit. Integrity is a slippery slope right now; it’s about finding compromise, ultimately. I mean, United and Spurs can welcome the returns of Pogba, Rashford, Kane and Son. Doesn’t that withdraw a degree of integrity? I don’t care, but if clubs want to play that game...
I’d like to see the season continue to a conclusion. All games played; a champion; relegations; the lot. Of course, this relies upon regular testing and having the resources to do so.
Football to be played with halves of less than 45 minutes and without a ball.
Liverpool* to be gifted the PL trophy for the first time, but without the handles because they won 3/4 of the league.
Liverpool* to be gifted the PL trophy for the first time, but without the handles because they won 3/4 of the league.
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I think they need 14 clubs to vote to play the games
I cant see any of the bottom 6 voting to play games (unless relegation is suspended)
I cant see Leicester or Chelsea risking a CL spot
So thats 8 clubs who wont vote for playing games and 12 who might
the only way a deal gets done is to suspend relegation if the games are played then you might get watford, west ham & brighton to agree and then you have up to 15 votes
Its the only deal possible and to be honest I think even that deal is fraught with issues (will championship clubs sue if not promoted... and if they are promoted do clubs really want a 22 team league with an extra 4 games (coming off probably a super short closed season)
Gut feel no more games are played and if relegated Bournemouth and Villa (probably Norwich as well) sue the PL ... if that does not happen the only other option (less likley I think ) is they play the games out with no relegation and either the championship winner sue or they have 22 teams in the league next season
Probably they vote to just stop the league on Monday
I cant see any of the bottom 6 voting to play games (unless relegation is suspended)
I cant see Leicester or Chelsea risking a CL spot
So thats 8 clubs who wont vote for playing games and 12 who might
the only way a deal gets done is to suspend relegation if the games are played then you might get watford, west ham & brighton to agree and then you have up to 15 votes
Its the only deal possible and to be honest I think even that deal is fraught with issues (will championship clubs sue if not promoted... and if they are promoted do clubs really want a 22 team league with an extra 4 games (coming off probably a super short closed season)
Gut feel no more games are played and if relegated Bournemouth and Villa (probably Norwich as well) sue the PL ... if that does not happen the only other option (less likley I think ) is they play the games out with no relegation and either the championship winner sue or they have 22 teams in the league next season
Probably they vote to just stop the league on Monday
You still dont understand what the role of the Government was in that post but that's okay as it relates to courts balancing public policy in times of crisis with the needs of the individual. We know deciding workplace protocol in a private establishment isn't the Government's job. Abandoning that, I guess you're saying high risk individuals will sue if they are forced to work under medically negligent conditions/protocols? Well....Yeah
edit: will add this, don't be shocked if the definition of a susceptible individual and negligent protocols are given a high threshold. Courts are like insurance companies on matters of public policy, if a definition can get everybody rich they are refusing to adopt it
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OK I see what you were getting at now, yes of course the government can set certain laws although I am not entirely sure they will. So that leaves the judiciary, now of course the courts do take instruction from the government to some degree, however they will apply existing laws using existing precendence which is why it might get messy. The government can make statements about how they expect it to be ruled, but fundamentally they can only have a say by changing laws.
Surely those in the bottom 3 will want to play if relegation remains.
I’d give a smilie laugh if i could!
Apparently the German state of Bremen is blocking a Bundesliga start on 15 May, pushing for a one-week delay because Werder Bremen "aren't fit yet". 
I swear if they cause me to lose the bet I have with a mate and with it a crate of beer...
I swear if they cause me to lose the bet I have with a mate and with it a crate of beer...
Sorry to take away from the current run of conversation, but this has just absolutely baffled me seven ways to Sunday. Plus did the 'i' from 'realised' magically find its way into the middle of 'political' somehow? Why is the 's' big on 'themselves'? Where's the 'n' in 'persuasion? Who is Boris a puppet of? Who, specifically, is making a mug of us? How did 'this Ferguson doctor' destroy the UK?
Of course it is non-essential, the problem is that if we only look at the "it is risky" argument, football will not resume for well over a year. Which is Okay, except that it will cause the vast majority of clubs to go bankrupt.
I'm at the point where I don't give a feck about next season right now. Suspend indefinitely until players can play then finish the season out and worry about downstream shit (next season, CL, Euros, WC) then.
Something about pretending like 28 games didn't happen, doesn't sit well with me.
Something about pretending like 28 games didn't happen, doesn't sit well with me.
I mean we could just hold on until Liverpool is made bankrupt, the ground is sold off and turned into a giant car park pending redevelopment..
Everyone’s a winner right?
Merkel and the state PMs have agreed that the Bundesliga is free to continue in the "second half of May". The league has to set the date themselves. So May 16th very likely now. Nerve wrecking stuff.
If they want to go ahead and play the remaining games purely to get that TV money, why dont they just void relagation and the title? 19 teams will agree then
Wonder what the viewing figures will be for the first match.
Great post .
Totally agree with everything you said . It's at times like these that we realise that football just isn't that important and it's only a game . As much as we all love it and are passionate about our teams it just isn't worth someone dying over
It's also worth remembering though that football is also the source of livelihood for many people. Maybe the players aren't affected monetarily so badly, but the whole industry, which would include many low paid workers are affected.
People often underestimate how intricately connected industries are in this capitalist economy of ours. It's not simply about shutting down one industry, because with it many others will also suffer.
It should easily break records.