Was it bollocks, you were desperately lunging from one idea to another in an attempt to distract from the fact you had made a whole string of particularly stupid posts, one after another. All you had to do was slow down a bit like I suggested but you decided to keep digging instead, and still are.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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From you. 2 pages ago.
It’s amazing, since you posted this, every one of the ‘groups’ you referenced has made a post in this thread
Its weird, there’s a lot more rational/logical discussion in the actual covid-19 thread. This thread seems full of people who’d be afraid of their own shadows.
There is no need for me to be lying. So people who are afraid or who might have lost someone to this and don’t think it is ok to play are being afraid of their shadows.
So deliberately mis-quoting me and taking what I said out of context . I said people in this thread would be afraid of their own shadow based on the hysterical comments we've seen over the last few pages. You have somehow made out that is linked supposedly to having no sympathy or empathy towards people who have been directly affected by this and then you've gone on to say I said footballers are afraid of their own shadow for not wanting to play. Quite obvious what you've tried to do here and its not down to stupidity, you've deliberately misquoted and taken what I said out of context to try and point score in this weird game of yours where you care so much about people and I supposedly don't.
Like I initially said 'What the actual feck are you on about?
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Ok, that makes sense and I agree with a bunch of it, but I don't think it's quite consistent with your view about fairness.
Until there's herd immunity there's no way of preventing players getting infected, you can only try to minimize the possibility of transmission between teammates. And you can only do that with ramped up testing and removing the infected from situations where they can spread the virus. It's pretty much the same principle as doing that on a national level.
But there's still a chance Grealish might get infected outside of any football related activities. Players being quarantined is just something that will happen if there's football played before a vaccine is developed and distributed. So would a quarantined Grealish be fair to Aston Villa, at a point when there's significant testing being done and the country has control over the epidemic?
I don't get what so many peoples issue is with giving it every chance, if it turns out it's not possible then so be it, it's not like it has to be set in stone right now, just plan for it happening, with the understanding it might not, loads of other sports will be doing exactly the same thing.
The only person that keeps using distraction techniques is you. And worse you've now started being selective about which lives are important (hence your comment above displaying lack of empathy towards people who need banks open to feed themselves and stay healthy and potentially alive).
Shush with your common sense now. But yeah, it's a good point.
Quite a lot of people.
Yeah exactly. The only thing I seem to read in regards to football coming back is a few words about "only when it's safe" and the utter horseshit about "sporting integrity". The "only when it's safe" line just rings a little hollow, to be honest. There just never seems to be a discussion about the morality of it all. It's as obvious as the day is long that the only reason they are so desperate to have it back is because of the money. This bollox about it lifting the morale of the country is so bloody self-important as well. As if every single person is going to start weeping with joy upon its return. Give me a break.
In regards to your last point, this was something I said yesterday. There's no way that you're going to stop a substantial amount of fans, particularly Liverpool fans when they inevitably win the league, from congregating.
I got to be honest, I've lost all appetite for football. I couldn't give a shite when it comes back. Obviously I'm still going to watch it when things do return to relative normality and no doubt will love it again, but I don't think it has come out of this whole thing well at all. Clearly the game is going to come back at some point, I just think this summer is maybe too soon.
This thread is definitely getting angrier.
The BHA have just revealed their timetable to get horse racing back up and running, weekend of 23-24 th May is the target, similar to football they're talking about just using certain racecourses to do this, no spectators, jockeys/stable staff staying local hotels, etc it's a good plan, but they say they if they need to think again they will.
Horse racing needs ambulances on course at all times, jockeys come closer than 2 metres during races, etc, so there's plenty of perceived risk there.
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Ok chief, I'm confident you can try to post without resorting to the "weird aunt's first angry Facebook post" type of writing.
I'm repeating myself because we're about 50 posts in and you still haven't been able to refute my original point with any sensible arguments, because you apparently prefer to go on unrelated tangents about the "deadly virus". But you did manage to get some all caps going, so that's something!
I worked at Nationwide for a few years and you’d be surprised how many older folk still operate on his way
Goes without saying but the restart is on the premise people on the frontline are able to be tested as and when. I'm a frontline worker and we were told last week, anybody who has symptoms (even mild) is now able to be tested via appointment. How well this is going I don't know for sure, nobody I know has had to go in for one. My mum's a nurse and she hasn't needed to be tested but I'll assume it's all in place now, I mean the government have had the best part of two months to get this in order.
The other point I'd make is that football simply has more resources and less people to test so it's 'easier' for them so to speak. We can question the morality and fairness of that but it's the same with everything isn't it and has been for a long time. Footballers are able to get easy access to cardiology screenings whereas normal people have to jump through every hoop under the sun and wait about a year to get one (by which time for some people it's too late). When a footballers tears his ligaments, he gets surgery the next day, us normal people have to wait 7 months and by time we go for physiotherapy our knees are already permanently damaged. These are my experiences I'm talking about. And yeah its not exactly the same situation as what's happening now but it tells you that the financial power the PL and its clubs have give them better access to medical care. It's just how it is. This is why they are perfectly equipped to deal with this, they have the staff, money, facilities, everything and on top of all of that the age group best equipped to deal with corona. Which is why I find it a bit odd that some people on here think footballers are 'risking their lives' by starting up again. This isn't me saying their lives are worthless or I don't care (cos a certain poster seems to revel in these insinuations) but really they'd be around the much lower end of the scale of people to be concerned about returning to work.
Be fair now, it doesn't take that long to deep clean a bank branch.
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Jesus just own it mate, like a lot of members on here it doesn't seem like English is 90+5's first language. So i doubt they are mis-quoting you intentionally or at all.
If you thought they were taking what you said out of context you could have said that the first time you replied instead of accusing them of making stuff up. But you probably just forgot you said it, we've all been there.
Yeah it's easy to spot the group who aren't dealing with this situation well at all. I genuinely feel for them, all this talk from them of others being terrified seems like an effort to convince themselves that they aren't afraid also.
Most old people
I'm aware English probably isn't his first language. But he's been banging that same drum a while now, it wasn't a one off, so yeah it's definitely intentional. I was fully aware what I said, I didn't forget and I deliberately didn't make reference to it because I expected him to go back and correct himself but he didn't, he actually dug deeper and that says it all really.
This thread moves so fast it's hard to keep up.
But as I understand Wycombe have had 3 players tested positive but have been declared champions of the Bundesliga?
But as I understand Wycombe have had 3 players tested positive but have been declared champions of the Bundesliga?
It would take them 2 minutes to set up an online account or they could use telephone banking.
So it would not be the end of the world if Halifax shut a local branch for two weeks
No it doesn't, I was thinking more about the availability of non-isolated staff and if you notice I did say 'may' have to close and not 'would' have to close, and if there was no alternative for people to get money then a branch could indeed be deep cleaned quickly and open again for limited services only. The thrust of the conversation was that the way to limit the spread of the virus is to isolate the main contacts of the infected. It shouldn't need saying really, but apparently it does.
Maidenhead will play in the champions league next season.This thread moves so fast it's hard to keep up.
But as I understand Wycombe have had 3 players tested positive but have been declared champions of the Bundesliga?
That's a few players from thousands and Bruno is saying he misses the game and not let's go back at all costs. Of course they miss the game but if it was put to the players, all of them, would it be a blanket yes to return at risk of getting a virus that might actually kill you or a loved one. No way. It's all a game of chance and yeah mostly old people die from it but I know what I'd be saying. Like I'm saying to my own boss now. Im not going back until I'm safe to do so. Relatively speaking.
So staff involved in football club low pay jobs just have to accept what the rest of us have to accept when we lost our jobs because of this poxy disease. They are not special. We aren't either.
Fair.
If you're referring to me I will go forward taking the appropriate precautions like I have done at previous times in my life when I've done things deemed at risk.
When I drive I may not open the door on the other side, but I don't not do it because I take the appropriate precautions that minimize an already low risk.
I once visited the Amazon despite the dangerous creatures that lurk there, however I did the sensible thing took all the precautions and got out alive which was always much more likely than not. If I decided not to do it based on if, buts and maybes I would have lost out on what was one of the best and rewarding experiences of my life.
For aslong as the virus is here I will take the required senisible precautions (wash hands thoroughly, don't touch stuff I don't need too, steer clear of vulnerable people etc) but the irrational I won't be doing (demanding and/or self reinforcing long term lockdown/house arrest).
0.4%, isn't it?
Anyway, that is not the issue. 400,000 test kits went unused in Germany last week and even those who oppose the league's restart have realised now that football is not taking anything away in that regard. The argument now seems to be that it is immoral to because "bodies are piling up". First of all they aren't, in Germany's case the overall mortality is even lower compared to March/April last year. And even if there is excess mortality due to Covid-19, I don't see how that should affect football. The only criteria should be whether safety of players and staff can be ensured. If it can, play. If it can't, don't. Simple. The same way we have dealt with reopening any other industry. And I don't see the relevance of other things being open or not to football either. Besides, all shops are open again, all sorts of public facilities such as museums or zoos are too and some pupils are back in school. The only thing that remains closed is restaurants, bars and hotels. Why shouldn't footballers be allowed to do their job again?
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I'm not mis-quoting you at all. You don't know nothing, neither do I, about people in here. There might be those that are directly affected by it. And do you think it is ok to write that they would be afraid of their shadows just because they don't want games to be resumed? In this moment we should be little more careful what we write.
From my point of view I am for league to be cancelled and Liverpool given title. Not because I afraid but because this is no place and time playing football. And when the time has come to resume it would be minefield looking at lot of aspects around it. Everything from contracts, sponsors, domestic and international cups, timetable and lot of other questions. So cancel the season. Than start planning what to do and how to do with next season. This pandemic have already destroyed this season so why destroy next one. And the more we are talking about resuming this season the worse is it for clubs to prepare for future.
No, I have not been banging on that same drum. Please show me what I have said that was awful according to you, because I can't remember. And if I'm wrong in this the only thing I can do is apologize.
Gutted. Didn't we have a game in hand on them aswell?
Exactly. There will be a lot of key people in football clubs that have older people or younger people with preexisting health conditions.
Also, if players, coaches or other staff live with anyone who has a health problem or old, they won't be able to see those people without risking their lives.
In my eyes all the businesses are always about money. But there's time and place for everything. This isn't the best time to prioritize money when You're already filthy rich.
People who watch football are much greater in number than people interested in B&Q. And just because the football is played behind closed doors doesn't mean the supporters will celebrate and watch matches behind closed doors with only themselves. I guess what I'm trying to say is, why give idiots more chances to be idiots?
Well as you said yourself, this is not the same at all so these things are not comparable. Yes, they will always get preferential treatment when it comes to scans, surgeries, etc, but this situation is different and certainly shouldn't be looked at as "that's just how it is". In terms of them being equipped for this, they may have the money to buy their own testing machines, but the cartridges and swab kits are still in relatively short supply so having footballers, coaching staff, medical staff, etc, all using them isn't going to help that.
Also, you may find it odd that some people talk about footballers risking their lives, but some footballers don't. A few of them have voiced their concerns over returning to the game too soo. It also doesn't purely come down to their individual safety, but also the safety of their family members. Now, my main concern isn't necessarily about footballers' safety. This isn't is the same thing as saying I DON'T care about their safety, I just have more of a problem with the propaganda and self-important shite that's being spewed out by the people at the top, all because they wanna force this through due to money, yet are trying to paint it as something else. That's my main gripe.
Look, football is obviously going to return at some point, I just happen to think the summer could be too soon.
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With so little talk surrounding the resumption of the EFL and the solutions being touted for the PL to resume and play to a finish being almost exclusively unworkable for the EFL, it begs the question as to what they would intend to do if the PL plays to a finish so you have a 38 game season played and a bottom three but the EFL season doesn't finish.
To me it seems they are not even bothering to attempt to paint it as anything other than fulfilling a contractual obligation at this point. 100% about money, zero shits given for football in general, sporting integrity or fans.
To me it seems they are not even bothering to attempt to paint it as anything other than fulfilling a contractual obligation at this point. 100% about money, zero shits given for football in general, sporting integrity or fans.
At the moment, the infection and death rate is still far too high to consider any form of return to sport. Once the infection rate falls to a more manageable level or there is an effective vaccine, only then should we consider restarting the season.
I say this as a healthcare professional seeing the effects of the virus firsthand and how deadly and devastating it can be. It is a killer and doesn't care how old you are. We are going to feel the after-effects of this for years to come. For us to undo all the good work by returning because a few idiots can't wait a couple more months would be utterly foolish and short-sighted.
Personally I'd just scrap everything until next season and start afresh in September for the 20/21 season minus Europe.
I say this as a healthcare professional seeing the effects of the virus firsthand and how deadly and devastating it can be. It is a killer and doesn't care how old you are. We are going to feel the after-effects of this for years to come. For us to undo all the good work by returning because a few idiots can't wait a couple more months would be utterly foolish and short-sighted.
Personally I'd just scrap everything until next season and start afresh in September for the 20/21 season minus Europe.
I dont understand the hate premier league gets for trying to be innovative.
If they have the chance to test players and play in an empty stadium why not consider it? Whats wrong with exploring options?
The hatred of ideas in here scares me. If this pandemic will last for years innovation and ideas is what we need.
If they have the chance to test players and play in an empty stadium why not consider it? Whats wrong with exploring options?
The hatred of ideas in here scares me. If this pandemic will last for years innovation and ideas is what we need.
There's massive internalised hatred in football, this pandemic has really brought that right to the fore. I knew it wasn't well thought off by outsiders but I never realized the same low feeling of the game existed within aswell (not to this extent anyway).
The people you've reffered to in your last paragraph have most likely been suppressing those feelings (be it subconsciously or otherwise) for quite some time.
That's one of the problems right there. Why should asymptomatic players get tests when symptomatic members of the public can't get tests ?
I think we need to draw a line under this because again there you are making those insinuations again. You talk about being careful what we write, I think you need to do the same. Maybe lets just stick to talking about the actual football.
As for your opinion on the football season, you're of course entitled to one, however wrong it is and it's clearly wrong because most clubs want the season to continue. They've had these discussions and this is the direction they want to go. Once you're able to accept that you then look at those plans.
It shouldn't be but that is literally how it is and will always be. This pandemic isn't going to change these things, during or after, we all know post pandemic the same groups will suffer the most from the after effects.
In terms of kits, obviously I don't know the entire inner workings but I would assume the PL have been directly purchasing their resources from the manufacturers and the machines they're talking about bringing in will not be at the expense of the NHS as some people seem to think. You can see it in this thread people literally think its a case of the PL nicking resources from the NHS, I don't think that's what's happening. The problem is we get so many conflicting stories about equipment availability etc that it's difficult to actually fully know what's going on, anyway but like I said in my previous post all emergency services workers are now able to be tested if they have symptoms. But again that's what we've been told.....
You had a lot of stories on how the PL using up the kits would lessen the UK intake because worldwide we're short but then you've got a load of countries saying they've got hundreds of thousands of unused kits, Germany the example. So to me its something the government (who I did defend early on but my stance has changed, the amount of time taking to get these things done has become ridiculous) need to take responsibility for. It'd be great if the PL donated their testing resource to the general public but that's not going to happen.
Absolutely, the PL's main reasoning is probably going to be money but everything they do is for money and maximising profit. But the fact is, the majority of clubs, players and managers want to return too. And they'll likely do all they can to make that happen. Is the summer too soon? Maybe, maybe not. But if all non essential businesses are going to be given the green light to start up again, football is going to be one of those at the front of the queue because they're best equipped to deal.
It might fail spectacularly, we'll see what happens in Germany, but literally everything we do now everywhere is going to be trial and error.
Heard a few people say it's going to lift the mood and it's for the nation etc, personally I think it's going to make lockdown a bit harder for those who attend games.
For many of us getting together on a Saturday with your mates / family was the main part of the day and that's what I miss the most at the moment, watching United was kind of like an added bonus.
I don't really want to watch United play behind closed doors, I would rather they just call the thing off now and give it to the scousers.
For many of us getting together on a Saturday with your mates / family was the main part of the day and that's what I miss the most at the moment, watching United was kind of like an added bonus.
I don't really want to watch United play behind closed doors, I would rather they just call the thing off now and give it to the scousers.
Yea it could be 0.4% (I thought it was that number when I first tried to remember it, but then thought it's really low so I shouldn't post a number that low if I can't find the source to quote).
Which state do you live in btw that all shops are open? In Bavaria I think they still have the 800 sqm rule and schools are still closed. Agree with the rest of the post though, within the current climate in Germany it is reasonable to restart football BCD as long as the player and staffs safety is guaranteed (for which the league has implemented strict guidelines).
PL has the money to facilitate it, in the same way as I described in one of my previous posts how I had to wait seven months to even be seen about my knee, a footballer gets surgery the next day. Most symptomatic members of the public will heal at home, we know already that anyone that goes into hospital gets tested. Were they not being then yeah there should be outrage.
The PL is not going to spend millions of pounds on equipment to get members of the public tested, that is never ever going to happen. It is the governments responsibility to test members of the public. Tottenham are doing testing for NHS workers, that's the most we're going to get.
I have been given a similar date as well. We have got close to 4,000 people in our building so a fair amount of us will continue to work from home as there's no we are all sitting 2M apart.