You'll have to award it to every club then and think of solutions to promotion, play offs and relegation. Tell me how you do that fairly?
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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You'll have to award it to every club then and think of solutions to promotion, play offs and relegation. Tell me how you do that fairly?
There is no way the FA could justify handing out silverware and promotion/relegation without the season being played to completion. Not without receiving a law-suit in response anyway.
Repeating your own fallacy right now. Keep it up, but please know that treating every club the same is not treating them fairly.
Cant see it being upheld in time. Itl be postponed for a season imo so we'll be 5th and in europa
Is it corporate manslaughter to send somebody to work in Tesco? He may be right that the season should be cancelled but hyperbole helps nobody.
Do I? Where have I said so? I just think whatever is decided needs to be as fair as possible and go beyond just appeasing LFC and their fans.
Not easy at all. But finishing as is still beats punishing teams who have had a good season to date. Voiding is the worst of a bad set of options.
So top 2 from every league goes up?
How do you decide who looks "odds on to qualify" though?
Why would we want a title we haven't won?
you keep coming back to us - why not mention all the other teams that will lose out under a void? Or is it because the only thing that matters is who wins the tile?
Utd were odds on to qualify imo. With Leicester missing out
"it seems" based on absolutely feck all.The affect may be different but it ultimately is.
Exactly
No it isn't at all, but it's okay. You won't get it if you haven't grasped what I mean by now.
But you would have won it if the season is finished now and current placings are final. Albeit you would have an asterisk beside it and opposition fans would enjoy that no end.
PPG seems fair, bar a few close calls.
Liverpool still win, Norwich still relegated, we're still 5th.
Don't get why everyone hates it. The best options for me
I already have. I've mentioned the whole football league repeatedly but all you're interested in is Liverpool.
Yes you're probably right considering there are two games still to be played in GW29.
If it wasn't for the inconsistencies across the lower divisions with promotion and relegation, I'd happily have the season cancelled and Pool awarded the title if it meant next season could start at a fairly normal date. A grand league campaign culminating in a twitter announcement and a Wikipedia update with an asterisk doesn't sound like much enjoyment to me so the scousers can have that.
Problem is if we're awarding champions in one division for being far ahead (yes, they would've won the title that's obvious) but cancel the season, how can we not award champions in the lower divisions? Where is the cutoff? There's always going to be many teams unhappy no matter what the decision is here
Problem is if we're awarding champions in one division for being far ahead (yes, they would've won the title that's obvious) but cancel the season, how can we not award champions in the lower divisions? Where is the cutoff? There's always going to be many teams unhappy no matter what the decision is here
Its looking incredibly likely the current top 7 will qualify for Europe with the only real question mark being who out of us two got the last CL spot (Sheffield a potential outsider), or if City's ban remains we look good for it with Sheffield to keep us in our toes.
While I don't argue it has it flaws surely if it comes to one or the other it's better to reward teams (especially Sheffield who's future in terms of the level they play probably relies on it) who's earned it on 29 games as opposed to giving the North London duo what would be the equivalent of a handout?
You cannot say that with any degree of certainty. That's the underlying point in this debate, which the Liverpool fans are seemingly unable to comprehend.
Are Tesco employees expected to go up for a sweaty header at a corner?
I fully understand what you're trying to say but it seems you can't differentiate between the two.
Fixed that for you.
It would be more benefit to my club to play out the season. Still in two cups and pushing hard for top four with Bruno in great form and key players returning.
You have to take that out of it though and look at everyone.
So you want to give CL football to who?
I would still prefer the season to be played out and I think most people apart from fans of clubs in the relegation spots would agree. But as time goes on its looking less possible. So then its a case what is the best solution. none are easy and all have pitfalls but honestly I will be amazed if the PL void the season.
Personally. I don't care.
It'll be Europa for united anyway, unless city's ban. Even then they can opt for appeal and it wont be until next season. Plus there's no CL next season. This is live we're talking about, and footballers aren't exemptions. We've had Rugani being tested positives, so it's not beyond all means that BCD is safe.
Plus, it's only football. It'll be suck to force a season under the current circumstances. We never know when it'll be stopped again, teams won't buy players, the stadium would look empty the match fitness and sharpness and probably general hunger for title won't be the same. Plus, the players themselves aren't very keen on football I think, as much as they don't want to admit. Who's in the right mind would risk going shoulder to shoulder with another fellow human being at times like this. Test aren't 100% accurate by the way for those of you thinking a test every match will solve the issue. They're paid playing or not playing, and it's not like they really need the money.
And there's another issue of TV deals will plummet. Indonesian TV will probably won't be paying anything much for EPL since ads are down due to corona. Technically people are watching more tvs but companies are slashing ads because they're not open for business. I can't see many nations will want to pay dearly for a BCD EPL with no uncertainty on being able to finish the league. For all we know one player can be tested positives and the whole team would get quaranteened.
There's nothing to differentiate? You are literally suggesting that it is most fair to void because it treats all the teams the same.
That's like saying we make property tax 50% for every citizen as from next year because it's the most fair since it treats everyone the same.
Totally agree with this. Whatever happens now the leagues integrity has gone anyway and given the grander scheme of things no one is arsed but you have to be consistent with what you do as others clubs have alot to lose/gain.
I appreciate Liverpool were trying to furlough but they aren't in financial danger and could live to fight another day.
Here is the thing; nobody achieved anything so far. In 9 games everything can change. You realise that Villa for example can still catch Champions league spot? Yeah, it sounds crazy and 99.99 % wouldn't happen but it is something what mathematically can still happen.
So screw that what is fair or not. Giving medals to teams based on odds and feeling what would happen in next 9 games is not the way how any sport should work.
If season will not be finished, FA must find the way to decide who goes in Europe next year but to crown champions in any league and relegate teams should not be an option. Because....season is not finished and by that, is not legit.
You are going to keep coming up with alternatives (each of one will have flaws, obviously) and they are going to keep pointing them out and saying that it wouldn't work hence a void is better. Even though that makes no sense either.
Well we can both surely agree Spurs and Arsenal shouldn't be anywhere near it? Especially the latter.
Any and I mean any way it's worked out with the current table is a more just situation than rewarding those two for their worst campaigns for over a decade.
Hence why there will be an asterisk beside it.
Well not it's not like that really as people pay taxes based on their relative earnings. Anyway we digress. We are talking about sports teams. You can't just make a decision to suit Liverpool and not have thought for other clubs in the same position, and those who aren't. It's not as simple as saying reward those who are achieving and forget everything else.
All the league can do is look at the fairest way to treat clubs equally. It may be they don't award titles, promotion, relegation (as in Holland) but lift prize money and pay out based on league positions to try and reward clubs that way. I don't know and neither does anyone here but just coming on to bang the drum that Liverpool should be gifted the title cause they are twenty odd points ahead and haven't won in for so long is ridiculous.
I don't think they'll void it but I do think it will create too much of a problem to start rewarding and punishing clubs. The table and placings stand, prize money given out accordingly including euro spots, but no Champions or promotions or relegation.
Not perfect but it treats everyone the same and is what the Dutch are going for.
Shouldn't happen at all. I've seen people talk about discrimination in here, and it shows exactly what's wrong with your reasoning. People (and clubs) should only be treated equally if they are in equal positions / equal circumstances - if that's not the case, you'll never be able to prove discrimination. Clubs are not in the same positions now, it would be more of a farce to treat the first and last team exactly the same than to differentiate between them.
Anyway, you have your opinion, which imo is clearly wrong as I just explained. I'm gonna leave it there because nothing productive will come out of this discussion.
Brexit means Brexit! You would make a great political campaigner because you have hammered home that core message for 200 odd pages!
But the situation at the top of the Dutch league is about as far removed from the top of the PL as possible.