Thats the toughest question to answer but just because that is difficult doesn't preclude them making an easy decision about the title. I think they will fudge relegation ie it won't happen and Leeds and WBA may come up but I agree its a very difficult one.
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Thats the toughest question to answer but just because that is difficult doesn't preclude them making an easy decision about the title. I think they will fudge relegation ie it won't happen and Leeds and WBA may come up but I agree its a very difficult one.
Them allowing it and the players etc agreeing to it are different. Dont think theyd allow themselves to be at threat without testing of everyone inside the ground
I think it was the paper that should never be named. And yes, its optimistic to say the least.
They appear quite calm and collected here.
For every sensible story there's nonsensical balls.
Like despite us being one week into the latest three week lock, there's still twitter fools saying we're "on the verge" of relaxing them.
We're not.
Ok just for a second can we move this convo off Liverpool and onto Utd? You have two ways to qualify for the CL no matter whether the league finishes or current placings are final.
League finishes - 4th or 5th place, win EL
Current placing final - City's ban upheld, or as someone very clever pointed out earlier if UEFA cancel this seasons CL and EL and use co-efficients Utd have the highest one in the EL.
I'll be very surprised if you're not in the CL next season one way or another. Surely these are reasons to be cheerful?
League finishes - 4th or 5th place, win EL
Current placing final - City's ban upheld, or as someone very clever pointed out earlier if UEFA cancel this seasons CL and EL and use co-efficients Utd have the highest one in the EL.
I'll be very surprised if you're not in the CL next season one way or another. Surely these are reasons to be cheerful?
It may be mute; they have to go through the process. I've said all along; i doubt well be back fully until 21/22
there is a difference between clubs have achieved x (objectively measured) and clubs might achieve y (subjective and predictive wow..full of flaws and open to legal challenge)
oh.. united have four ways to qualify. if UEFA use its coefficient to apply against ending cups that is
Yep.. there is no logic to apply subjective and predictive assessment to Liverpool and not every club in the league. talk about bias and flawed...
how do you know stopping the league will not have a bearing? if you consider their logic and it's implications its pretty sound.
The sun is being used as evidence, but sports minister, who and daily are ignored.. right..
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Yep, now that null and void is dead Utd are 100% in CL provided City are banned and any closed door game for Sheff Utd's game in hand fixture doesn't go ahead. The latter is looking incredibly unlikely. Even in PPG scenario Utd pip 5th.
If the seasons cancelled in anyway we shouldnt be based on the pl anyway.
City will have a years grace. United will be 5th.
The only way is if they award us the EL which isnt fair at all.
Rest assured that it's not complimentary at all - you deserve it.
Can anyone imagine spending a Saturday morning trying to wind-up Liverpool fans by going on their forum and typing one inanity after another?!
I just can't imagine what Thirty years without a PL League does to people tearing their hair out, must have been so very hard to bear.
Ziyechs comments sound a bit childish in the circumstances. Possibly better not commenting
'Come on, what nonsense I have heard?' We are at the top anyway. All those stories that AZ deserved more because they defeated us twice. Bullshit of course. How did PSV become champion in 2007? Exactly, on one goal.
That we are not official champions, well. Of course, I would also have preferred to have won the title on the field, but if you have to choose one club as champion, that is Ajax to me.'
'Come on, what nonsense I have heard?' We are at the top anyway. All those stories that AZ deserved more because they defeated us twice. Bullshit of course. How did PSV become champion in 2007? Exactly, on one goal.
That we are not official champions, well. Of course, I would also have preferred to have won the title on the field, but if you have to choose one club as champion, that is Ajax to me.'
Missed that, link?
Holland isn't a major league, no disrespect to them.
Nowhere near the money involved.
Tight at the top.
Three big differences with our league.
We'll see though..but it'll be months ahead still
that’s the difference. Most Utd fans are looking at this from the holistic perspective, rather than “what’s best for my club, la”.
it’s not going off of UEFA coefficients - that’s ridiculous, it would also mean Spurs and Arsenal get into the EL ahead of Wolves and Sheff Utd I presume.
City will appeal the ban, and be eligible to play next season, the EL won’t finish this season, and also a good chance there’s no European football in any case. The chances of Utd playing in the CL next year if the season is finished is very small.
Agreed that's why i said its illogical to award something subjective which has an even probability of happening and not award something else subjective which has a high probability of happening.
Shame you have no posts left, hope you get promoted soon.
You shouldn’t be in here if you are coughing .
Rest assured that it's not complimentary at all - you deserve it.
Can anyone imagine spending a Saturday morning trying to wind-up Liverpool fans by going on their forum and typing one inanity after another?!
I just can't imagine what Thirty years without a PL League does to people tearing their hair out, must have been so very hard to bear.
Are you sure now? Not even a wee back handed one? Ah go on you know you want to.
Said it before.
Hand on heart, if the powers that be decide something and we're told we're 4th or 5th, I'm ok with it. I'm not trying to be saintly but it really isn't THAT important to me ... I've watched a few old games on the clubs app on Thursday but lack of football hasnt been a big issue to me.
one thought (given the Sheff United and Villa game in hand conundrums). Maybe they learn and ensure that each team plays a game each week, regardless of cup games. Not perfect as (in this situation), a league can finish midweek if a serious issue arises, but might minimise chances of happening again. This playing matches in almost every day of a week is ridiculous.. SKY have too much control.
No I think you're misunderstanding. If UEFA cancel the EL they will be "short" one place at next seasons CL (ie the winner of the EL). So if they use co-efficents of the remaining teams to decide whoo gets that spot then Utd have the highest. I think UEFA will be very happy to have a legitimate way to get a club of Utds stature back in the CL. This is nothing to do with the PL using co-effiecients to award CL places - UEFA have said that is a non starter.
He can if he keeps the 2 meter distance from the monitor.
Fair play mate and I completely believe you're sincere. But when this wretched thing is over I reckon you will enjoy your Tues and Wed's more than your Thurs. Its hard when we're right in the thick of it now.
YAWN!
I did misunderstand you.
im sure they have a formula, as I believe the maximum no of clubs from one country is now 5? So if I’m normal times. Spurs won the CL and finished 6th and Utd won the EL and finished 5th. I believe only 5 clubs from England would be permitted into the CL, and be one short.
so yes, potentially, but only if it confirms to the formula that they have in place. I wouldn’t be banking on it, but interesting.
The first season my Dad took me to the football was 74, Div.2.
I'm pretty sure I can cope with EL over CL.
Jamie Carragher is on Sky News arguing that letting football return will "lift morale" ffs
I actually don’t think we are even close to a place where morale needs lifting like that. The country is doing very well so far in pulling together and coping.
I genuinely think that bringing football back would create nothing but contempt.
Part of UEFA's directive aside from basing decisions on 'sporting integrity' was that it had to be done on a non-discriminatory basis. Handing Ajax the league when they are level on points with an opponent is obviously discriminatory. Awarding a side the title that's 25 points clear with just a quarter of the season to go is not discriminatory. UEFA's chairman himself even said a couple of weeks ago that he couldn't see a situation whereby Liverpool wouldn't be crowned English champions this year. The other issues such as relegation, promotion, European places etc are a lot more complex. But that doesn't take away the cut & dried situation - based on UEFA's wordings - relating to Liverpool's position.
nothing will lift morale more than the scousers losing the title
I agree with that, it's an incredibly tone-deaf suggestion as if the return of a few football games will somehow make this reality more bearable for the majority of people suffering right now.
1 point or 25. If they havent won it its not over
Have you won though? so if you haven't won why should the FA choose to relegate promote teams/give titles based on not being completed but relegate Villa for the same reason? I don't see them bringing 2 up and none down as that opens up more issues for 3-5 in a league where there is no clear winners?
The difference at the top of the league is not as important as you think it is.
I can see them stopping the season, there will be no champions, european places decided as is as per UEFA, and thats it. It will be gutting for us, and more gutting for Liverpool fans, I am sure they will still treat it as a win, but that seems likely how they would have to go now.
I'm not sure why.
Even take away football being something we enjoy it would be one step forward in beating this thing. I don't like soaps but whenever news emerges of them recommensing filming I'll be happy for the same reason.
I was one of those people who thought they would null and void, I don't want them to, but I could see it being the fairest solution at the time.
I think the dutch league does offer a model to follow now though. Now we could see them do what the dutch have done and stop the league with no promotions/relegations and then a vote by all clubs to allow liverpool to be awarded the title by the "clubs". If that happened I can see liverpool being awarded it, again though its going to be afforded derisory status by most fans.
Any suggestion we get back to bcd football in 2 weeks seems preposterous now, we have no accurate rapid tests, the full tests are needed for front line workers and getting the wider economy going, 20k test for the PL games seems ridiculous plus the full tests are not very timely anyway.
I think the dutch league does offer a model to follow now though. Now we could see them do what the dutch have done and stop the league with no promotions/relegations and then a vote by all clubs to allow liverpool to be awarded the title by the "clubs". If that happened I can see liverpool being awarded it, again though its going to be afforded derisory status by most fans.
Any suggestion we get back to bcd football in 2 weeks seems preposterous now, we have no accurate rapid tests, the full tests are needed for front line workers and getting the wider economy going, 20k test for the PL games seems ridiculous plus the full tests are not very timely anyway.
Is it? Being able to watch a bit of live football on a weekend would be a small step towards normality in my life and I’m sure that hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of people would share that view. If sport is given the go-ahead behind closed doors then lots of people will be happy about it.
Plus, there is the fact that the sooner this happens the fewer the number of football clubs will sink into oblivion. That in itself is an overwhelming positive for small communities and their relevant local economies. There is a lot more to the return of sport (in some capacity) than meets the eye.
BCD won't stop the EFL clubs sinking. PL clubs are likely to survive anyway.
The issue with BCD is the safety for the 200 staff needed per game, and the likelihood we get a single club with a breakout and someone becoming very ill, or using medical staff for problems caused at a match.
That was 3 years before I became a fan but anytime I hear Utd fans mentioning that season they almost always regard it as one of the most enjoyable, which is strange as you'd think it would be the opposite but football fans are nothing if not adaptable. The football was supposedly very attacking and it marked the beginning of the team which peaked in '77
Its also marks one of the major differences between Utd's barren years and Liverpool's. Utd reached your rock bottom relatively quickly - only 6 years after the high of winning the European Cup. You could then begin the slow ascent back to the top. Whereas it took us 20 years to reach our rock bottom (the court case with H&G nearly sending us into administration). Not sure which is better or worse if you like but seen plenty of comparisons down the years mentioning similarities but this is a major difference.
Anyway how the feck did I get on to that - lost it in lockdown.
It goes without saying that everyone wants to return to normality.
However the idea that prioritising football right now, is tone-deaf.
There are small-business owners are going bankrupt, employees losing their jobs, domestic violence increasing daily, those in social care dying in isolation etc. in what world can a small group of athletes be given priority? I would think (hope) that more people in the country would have their morale lifted when parts of society that affects the majority of the population on a daily basis, begins to open up.
Football will return and i'll be happy when it does return, but there are more pressing issues that we need to prioritise right now.
Also a return of football ties up testing kits, medical staff & approx 200 employees being part of the chain in order to get 1 football game BCD to go ahead. How can that be justified when over 100 NHS frontline staff have died due to lack of testing and inadequate PPE? That doesn't even touch on the thousands who have died in care homes due to similar circumstances.
I don’t expect behind closed doors to remain as stringently imposed further down the chain; albeit I appreciate people are free to disagree. The football community cannot allow clubs to collapse en masse and I expect it to do whatever it takes to prevent that outcome - so I hope, possibly in vain, that financial packages can be implemented to save clubs where necessary.
The latter is a matter of logistics, which I think is achievable provided transmission within the community is adequately tracked and traced.
Irrespective, the return of sport will be a welcome relief to many people.
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Since when was the prioritisation of football (or sport) part of the discussion?
The return of football behind closed doors will coincide with the gradual lifting of restrictions that are going to have to take place in the coming weeks and months. This will lift spirits and provide normality. It’s possible to express this view while being fully aware of and sympathetic to the deaths taking place as a result of the virus. We can have a grown up discussion about it.
If the government can facilitate an effective track, trace and test model within the community (I appreciate that they are as much use a chocolate teapot) then I have no issues with resources being used to support sport. Of course, it goes without saying that several industries come first.