Agreed.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Agreed.
When a new season commences we all start on equal footing with zero points. What happens after that is that every club, team, & player, is fundamentally in some sort of control of their respective club's destiny for that season. So the bolded bit isn't really true is it ? You have some teams who do really well, some just OK, & some very poorly. Therefore, by voiding the season you're effectively saying it never existed, so those who didn't make the full use of the control they had get another free hit, whilst the likes of Leeds & West Brom who have battled their way into a great position for automatic promotion get penalized & have to start all over again next season in The Championship. I'm pretty sure this narrative of treating all clubs the same would die a very quick death in the courtroom.
So you don't think null and void treats every team equally? You're talking about the affect again after the event. That's irrelevant.
You do realize that quite often, treating people equally doesn't equate to treating people fairly, this obviously is one of those occasions. Why do think the footballing powers have not even brought this null & void nonsense into the discussion ? There's a massive disparity between those who'd gain from it & those who'd lose out, & that's why the lawyers employed by the likes of Leeds United would have a field day. Can you honestly not see that ? Why is the idea of finishing the season with current placings as final, but having no relegation & promoting Leeds & WBA not a better suggestion in your eyes ? If needs be the domestic cup competitions can be axed for the one season to accommodate the extra fixtures.
Because that approach warps the structure of the league.
Relegation and promotion work hand in hand.
Next season is already likely to start at least a month late, with the Euros making the end of the season tight.
It's one thing saying in that circumstance dropping the league cup - which has to be the last option versus tradition.
But to mess about with the format of games to add league games, while dropping a cup makes no sense.
Just give them the title and move on, it's always going to be a win on paper only with a big asterisk next to it anyway.
Whilst I don't agree with them, I can appreciate all the arguments for voiding in terms of logistics, timeframes, legal implications and of course sitting above all that is public health. But if you still think that a void will affect all teams equally then I think its at this point we should agree to disagree on the meaning of the words Affect and Equal. But I'm quite happy to stand corrected if you can show me a dictionary where those words mean something else.
I don't see a way that they can essentially void the season for only 19 teams - and I wouldn't want them to. The PL will be watching what happens very closely in Germany (even though the UK's handling of covid19 has been woefully inept in comparison). If players or staff go down with the virus either during training or games then that will be game over for finishing the PL. In that case I think they will move swiftly to some sort of fudged middle ground where current standings are final, but with no relegation. Voiding is the nuclear option that I don't think any of the bigger leagues will choose because they will prioritise the rewarding of 75% of a season vs the trashing of 75% of a season. But some might disagree
Yeah we could go round and round in circles on it and i fully understand a Liverpool fan not seeing how a null and void might be the fairest option.
You say you can't see how they can void the season for 19 teams but if if current standings were made final but with no relegations as you suggest. And with the possibly of no european football next season isn't that basically the same as voiding it for 19 teams?
Yes voiding the season is not something they will want to do, but i think the longer the suspension goes on it becomes more and more a possibility.
Of course they will get new customers. Not sure what your point is with the pricing...they'll adjust that to whatever gets them the best custom, no different to how they always do.
It will really depend on where we're at when they start playing again. If we're all allowed back to work and relatively normal, they'll get a fair chunk of their customers back quite quickly. If it's all behind closed doors and we're all still stuck at home, there'll be a problem, but I suspect if that's the case they just wont start the games up again.
I'm not really sure what the argument is. There's been evidence produced in the past that showed every PL club could afford to let every fan in for free all season and still make MORE of a profit than they would have 10 years ago.
Liverpool spend over £250m a year on wages. Sheffield United spend about £13m...and even in Sheffiled United's case a very vast majority of that amount is on player salaries. Even if you took the gate receipts AND TV money away, working staff salaries isn't the problem for any of these clubs so there's no reason at all why they shouldn't be paying them.
In other words they should do everything and anything to ensure that Liverpool get a league title. No matter how disruptive it is to 92 league clubs in English football.
Upto and including scrapping relegation, scrapping domestic cup competitions, promoting teams who haven't yet earned promotion and are only a few points ahead of others teams who might have finished ahead of them. Deny the teams placed 3-6 the chance to earn a place in the PL through the playoffs.
And we can of course assume this upheaval will be replicated right down the professional football pyramid in England. They could do all that or they could just null and void the entire season. Much easier and doesn’t have the knock on effect of disrupting the next few seasons.
As to why the authorities aren’t publicly mentioning the possibility of null and voiding the season. Well I assume they want to make it seem like they exhausted every avenue to play out the season. With a view to negotiating financial settlements with broadcasters and sponsors if the season can’t be completed.
I’m not saying it will happen but don’t kid yourself that it’s not being discussed as an option behind the scenes.
Except there won't be any relegation & promotion if the season gets voided. How would the structure look then ?
Absolutely agree.
League Cup is a vital income stream for lower league clubs.
If there is spare capacity it should be to help them not awarding an already tarnished title to a desperate club. It's gone for Liverpool now. No parades.
This idea was brought up in the early days of the season suspension, & in terms of fairness is the much better option, not just for Liverpool but for other clubs too. I laughed when you brought up the disruptive angle. Like life isn't going to be disruptive anyway. & what makes you think there's still going to be 92 clubs left when all this has been sorted ? A lot of clubs are going to go to the wall regardless. But it's all irrelevant anyway, because until/unless the EFL throw the towel in, there's nothing The Premier League can do about it.
It won't be if there's no crowds.
Chris Whitty has said today that social distancing will be in place for ages (at least this calendar year), so won't that rule out football for a long time also?
No matter what happens, there will be a parade with these idiots.
It’s going to be very difficult to make next season work properly, completing the current season is a pipe dream.
To certain levels, it won't be this extreme (can't get closer than 2m to people out of your household) for the duration.
I think exceptions will be made with extreme testing. Following regulations would mean no soaps etc being recorded for a year which would never happen
The Premier League could be played over 19 weeks next season if needs be. There is around 5 weeks worth of league football left this season.
If you rest the league cup and charity shield for a year and all those International breaks there is plenty of time to complete this season and next season before mid May 2021.
Theres Euro play offs to be played. This isnt going to happen. What about European games?
Players would be burned out mid way through
Not to mention world cup qualifiers.
Their league format was pretty much done. One game left, Brugge 15 points clear of second place with one game to play. Impossible to be caught mathematically. I appreciate the 5 game play off (edit: 10, they play each other twice) is the next stage but there’s a clear break in proceedings so can see why they’ve halted it at that juncture.That's the weirdest reasoning I've read in this thread I think. Liverpool are also mathematically champions (without the last 9 games). What the feckThe playoffs in Belgium are as much part of the season as the last 9 games of the PL.
Bruges aren't top at the end of the league either. They're top at the first phase of the league, which means the grand total of nothing.
Liverpool have 9 games left but can be caught. Virtually impossible, but possible, mathematically.
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BBC saying Champions League and Europa League likely to be played in August exclusively.
Bang on.
I mean they could make an exception with extreme testing but I think the social distancing that will be in place after the lockdown will ban crowds of 20+ or something really low, you would wonder how matches of 30-70k people can start up again. Maybe they will only allow 50% capacity with spaces between spectators. Honestly wouldn’t surprise me that. They will do everything to bring football back once the lockdown ends.
There's going to be 4 or 5 games a week in August isn't there?
Thank god Pogba's had a long rest
Man, just stop talking about stuff you clearly haven't got a clue about. The league format is far from done. There's not one game left but 11, and I won't even ask where you get a "5 game play off" from. It was 48654145 times more likely that Bruges got caught than Liverpool.
It's not because our regular season was "almost finished". The playoff spots still needed to be decided, relegation was still up in the air, there was literally all to play for. They would've made the same decision if the play-offs were already underway, same decision if there were multiple games left in the regular season - current standings final, that's it. Nothing to do with league format or anything.
The whole lockdown/future measures is/will be solely based on one thing, keeping the R below 1 so the NHS can cope.
If by some absolute worldly miracle we get to June and all off a sudden it appears we can go back to normal while keeping the R below 1 we will.
Festival of football, here we come!There's going to be 4 or 5 games a week in August isn't there?
Thank god Pogba's had a long rest
Plenty of time for those also.
The world cup doesn't start until November 2022. There is no urgent need to play them yet.
The reality is football is going to come back behind closed doors. Clubs should be given 3 weeks to prepare for the resumption of the season then the remaining 5 weeks of the league season can be played out, should also factor in 2 weeks for the FA Cup as well. There are 4 English teams left in European competition, soon to be 3 as Chelsea are all but gone.
United are arguably the English team that are likely to have the most games left if they go all the way to the final of both competitions, but could realistically play out all those fixtures in about ten weeks?
Has anyone got a link to the video where the high/drunk kid gets told Liverpool have not won the league due to Coronavirus and starts dancing? I have been looking for it but cannot find it anywhere.
With European football perhaps not possible next season then for every club in the PL bar Liverpool your suggestion and voiding the current season are pretty much the same.
Of course things are already being disrupted, so it would be stupid to make the situation worse by causing even more disruption.
Some clubs might go out of business, i hope they don't but it could happen.
Well i'm not so certain that the PL are as enthralled to the EFL as you think. At least you should hope they aren't, because i can see the vast majority of EFL clubs soon wanting some sort of resolution to this season if it can't be completed in the next month or two. And them wanting to move towards making plans for the next one.
Let’s teams pick 3 players and have 3v3 indoor games to decide the season... keep everyone who decides to play quarantined for 2 weeks or tested before starting the tournament. Finish the tournament in like a week or something.
Apparently the plan is the finish the league season with an intensive schedule in July and then do the European competitions in August.There's going to be 4 or 5 games a week in August isn't there?
Thank god Pogba's had a long rest
I expect the Caf analogy award 2020 for this one, so hold tight:
You go to a restaurant and order Spaghetti Bolognese. The chef has cooked the pasta but can‘t finish the sauce due to a lack of ingredients. His options are:
You go to a restaurant and order Spaghetti Bolognese. The chef has cooked the pasta but can‘t finish the sauce due to a lack of ingredients. His options are:
a) he asks you to come back at a later time for the completed meal
b) he apologises and says he will not be able to serve you the dish
c) he serves you the dish as is and adds a new item to the menu called Spaghetti Bolognese*, which some people who haven‘t eaten Bolognese in say 30 years, refer to as „just as good as the real thing“
Lots of possible problems to finishing the season listed in this article.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-amid-growing-concerns-health-safety-covid-19
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-amid-growing-concerns-health-safety-covid-19
Surprise surprise a manager who will benefit from a void has come out with that.
I'm sure Moyes means well but would he be saying the same if he was in Wilder's shoes? To put it diplomatically, I have my doubts.
1) Money hungry UEFA wants “clubs and the European Leagues umbrella group should put pressure on all nations to restart football by the middle of June.”
2) Money hungry players, by in large, do not want any sort of wage deduction or deferral.
3) Money hungry Premier League is keen on a quick resumption.
4) Confused fans can’t think straight because of their club loyalties.
5) The media is coming up with preposterous imaginary stories every day.
6) And now the Culture Secretary Dowden says, “I have said to the Premier League, I think it wouldn’t send the best signal if they were one of the first major sports to resume behind closed doors and the public couldn’t have access to it.” He wants the Premier League to air all (or most) of their remaining fixtures for free. The Premier League bosses (probably furious) cannot speak out the obvious, “Bloody Secretary, the only reason we are keen to resume the games so soon despite enormous health risks is money.”
With such a wonderful hexagonal plot, you could make a movie or a Netflix series around these developments.
2) Money hungry players, by in large, do not want any sort of wage deduction or deferral.
3) Money hungry Premier League is keen on a quick resumption.
4) Confused fans can’t think straight because of their club loyalties.
5) The media is coming up with preposterous imaginary stories every day.
6) And now the Culture Secretary Dowden says, “I have said to the Premier League, I think it wouldn’t send the best signal if they were one of the first major sports to resume behind closed doors and the public couldn’t have access to it.” He wants the Premier League to air all (or most) of their remaining fixtures for free. The Premier League bosses (probably furious) cannot speak out the obvious, “Bloody Secretary, the only reason we are keen to resume the games so soon despite enormous health risks is money.”
With such a wonderful hexagonal plot, you could make a movie or a Netflix series around these developments.
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He’s actually right.
it relies on testing, and having support of medical staff. How can you do that if the tests are required by the NHS.
Furthermore, the questions of squad depth and costs of players wages has been raised by the article - which I have been banging on about for weeks, not for the PL but for the lower leagues.
it’s a shame if didn’t fit your agenda (for you), but to marginalise the issues and challenges would be utter nonsense