What I don't understand is why you're so arsed about it. The title's pretty much done and dusted. You honestly don't believe there's a chance we won't get the maximum 6 points we need do you ? & that's assuming your boys win their remaining 9 games. As for playing away to Arsenal & Everton. The Gooners haven't beaten us - home or away - in 5 years, whilst it's been 9 years for Everton. So all things considered, why would we be fearful of playing either side in front of a full house ? Given the choice of playing our remaining games BCD or with crowds in attendance, I think you'd find most Liverpool fans opting for the latter.
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What I don't understand is why you're so arsed about it. The title's pretty much done and dusted. You honestly don't believe there's a chance we won't get the maximum 6 points we need do you ? & that's assuming your boys win their remaining 9 games. As for playing away to Arsenal & Everton. The Gooners haven't beaten us - home or away - in 5 years, whilst it's been 9 years for Everton. So all things considered, why would we be fearful of playing either side in front of a full house ? Given the choice of playing our remaining games BCD or with crowds in attendance, I think you'd find most Liverpool fans opting for the latter.
He wants to keep the 100 point record I assume. I can sort of see his point actually but large parts of next season will very likely be BCD so that won't matter according to his logic.
No one wants behind closed doors football but it's something everyone will simply have to accept for next six months I'm afraid. Top level clubs can get away given gate receipts don't account for much but going to be brutal for smaller clubs.
Could well be no payday for some clubs in FA cup 3rd round aswell if that competition gets played next season.
Me & the wife were on the Greek Island of Santorini a couple of years ago. I was amazed at how many Japanese tourists were holidaying there. A lot of them all wearing protective masks. It was surreal considering how clean & pure the air was.
Yep, you are correct. Probably more due to the higher pollution rates there though, then protection against viruses etc?
On another note, when you see how London and New York, two exceptionally densely populated towns have had huge amounts of cases of this virus, it makes the "official" figures China have released look even more ridiculously low.
He's welcome to it. I don't know of many Liverpool fans who view breaking that record as some sort of priority. Smacks of insecurity to me.
I think it's dawning on most people now that football behind closed doors is going to be the norm for quite some time. I wonder how many of those complaining about it would be prepared to sit in a stadium of 50, 60, or 70,000 people whilst the virus is still active ? Not many I imagine.
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Its not the purity of the air but if they feel sick they will wear masks to protect others from getting sick as well.
Bill Burr taught me that
It wont be the norm for certain, maybe in the big leagues where TV money works, but every level below that couldn't sustain BCD football. I think I estimated the total lost gate revenue for EFL was in the region of 300 million for a full season.
Many from SE Asia wear masks when they have a cold rather than to prevent getting a cold. So it could have been that.
It's highly possible that the confusing and conflicting information about masks is due to a lack of supply. Governments don't want to see a panic buying spree so they play down the threat of the coronavirus and ask their citizens not to buy one.
It's confirmed that the coronavirus is transmitted through droplets, so masks are useful as they can block droplets, as simple as that and you know it using your logic. Surgical masks are the best option as they are proven to be efficient in filtering viruses. Even if you can't get one, covering your nose and mouth with other materials also offers some sorts of protection.
Wearing a mask doesn't only protect yourself but also others. Droplets from an asymptomatic carriers are also infectious, and you never know if you are one of them. Masks can block virus from coming out from your mouth and stop the spread of the coronavirus. This is how it works when everyone in the society is not selfish.
In Hong Kong the government told us not to wear one at the beginning, but people didn't trust the government at all and we learnt a heavy lesson from SARS in 2003. It's self-discipline which makes us is wear a mask when we go out and you almost get discriminated if you don't. We only have a few local cases a day so it's been generally successful so far.
For me WHO has been terrible in this incident. The one and only job for them is to prevent global pandemics like this and they fail. They have made terrible choices and done everything wrong. The frequent changes in guideline further diminish their credibility. Trump is right about them.
I have heard Boris Johnson's herd immunity plan. I don't have much opinion about it. Theoretically it's a fast way to end the crisis but it sacrifices plenty of lives.
I have no idea about Mainland China, but sorry in Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Thailand and many other Asian countries I have visited, no one wears a mask in their daily life.
Yep. Its now CoVid19s Plus.
Today we remember the 96 of Hillsborough. 
It's common to see masks in HK, Japan, Korea and Taiwan. People wear them when they are ill to prevent spreading whatever they have. It's been that way ever since SARS so maybe they will become common the world over after this.
I haven't been to Japan or Korea, but HK they most definitely do. Thailand and South-east Asia in general no, mainly because the air quality isn't as bad there anyway in the majority of places.
That's certainly not true. In Germany you have as much access to the health system - does not matter if you are employed or not. There are some differences for people who have opted out of the system and chose to insure themselves privately - in some case they are not able to maintain their payments for the private insurance, and they can not return to the public system - for obvious reasons.
Today we remember the 96 of Hillsborough.
Is this a joke or something? I am a Hongkonger and I have lived here since I was born, and it's definitely not common to see people wearing masks in normal life. People wear masks now just to protect themselves and others from the coronavirus because of the pandemic. I always travel to Japan, Korea and Taiwan and the situation is the same.
No, football exists because of fans. To play bcd isn’t for fans it’s for their own pleasure /benefit.
Well I'm Vietnamese and in case you don't know it's a South East Asia country. The air quality of the big cities here and in Thailand is just terrible because of the millions scooters and other economic activities. Especially the coal power plants.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/players-will-need-astronaut-style-isolation-to-return-pzs6fgv2s
Just a bit of food for thought, as people seem to be more sure that things will get played out..and reasonably soon.
Just a bit of food for thought, as people seem to be more sure that things will get played out..and reasonably soon.
I did 7 years there too. By your standards maybe they're not common, as in maybe 1 in 50 people you see will be wearing one, but compared to Western countries they certainly are. It's a running joke that its time for an expat to go home when they start wearing masks.
Yeah, I just can’t see it whilst we are still in lockdown and the numbers keep going.
It’s not a simple thing playing BCD because there is still a raft of people involved, players, coaches, officials, medics, tv people, commentators, security staff, bus drivers, hotel staff.
it’s nuts to think it will go ahead any time soon. UEFA need to make a call soon
This was a good post until the strange rant about football, as though that is the root of all society’s ills. You were on the right track when initially pillorying the government.
Question: how much of a team's revenue comes from ticket sales? It's obviously different for smaller leagues, but let's start with the PL, La Liga, Bundesliga etc.
The way things are looking now it seems more and more likely that we will have to play potentially a full season behind closed doors. In terms of TV money it shouldn't make much of a difference, but will this be enough to keep the top teams afloat? And if not: what do we do then?
The way things are looking now it seems more and more likely that we will have to play potentially a full season behind closed doors. In terms of TV money it shouldn't make much of a difference, but will this be enough to keep the top teams afloat? And if not: what do we do then?
It ranged from 7-25% for the biggest 30 clubs in European football in 2017-18.
Its falling every year.
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That wasn't as bad as I expected. There should be economically viable solutions to playing behind closed doors then. It absolutely sucks, but it's better than no football and infinitely better than seeing all the top clubs go bankrupt. I do fear for the smaller teams, though...
Today we remember the 96 of Hillsborough.
Liverpool were going to do a memorial today (they've stopped it last few years I think). Always very moving. Still remember in 2009 when whole of Kop started chanting "Justice for the 96" and that at least got the inquiry going again which absolved fans of blame.
I have obviously misunderstood somewhere along the line. I have a German friend who said this was true. What happens to immigrants who have just arrived?
Yeah, the bcd takes fans out of it but there is still a hell of a load of people that still need to be accounted for. Further, how are you meant to play a contact sport in a situation where contact is meant to be avoided? Not seeing the current ideas as viable unless they go down a astronaut lockdown as suggested elsewhere.
I do not know about people dismissing this as not too big of an issue. From that chart it appears that matchday revenue accounts for anywhere between 18-20% for big clubs. That is a seriously high figure when most clubs work on tight margins. Further, does the match day also include merchandise? If not you could probably add another 1% to those matchday figures.
For me, when I am reading that, it makes it even more obvious clubs cannot go out and blow serious money on transfers this next window as their wages bills are going to have a serious uptick in the percentage cost to the business. Only way around it is if FFP is relaxed and the owners want to pump serious coin in.
Yeah this. It's crazy for anyone to truly believe we are anywhere near to a return to any form of football when the UK lockdown is going to be extended this week and with all the experts claiming we aren't even at the virus' peek.
We are at least another month away from lockdown lifting fully. Add to the the need for a mini pre season prior to any games being played you're looking at July before you even consider kicking a ball. And that's if things go well. There could be delays and changes in between.
I think people are also underestimating a technical solution when they think of income lost through BCD. It won't be long until there are solutions in place to allow (for example) season ticket holders to stream the games, or people to buy tickets for matches on a PPV basis, even if the stream is much more amateur (no commentary etc). Given the volume of money in place, there's no way that clubs and leagues are going to just lose out. It's not a trivial problem to solve, especially when it comes to rights, protecting smaller club vieweship etc, but if this is going to go on for a while, then some things will happen. There are already plenty of discussions happening around streaming services so this will probably accelerate it.
Wtf you’re suggesting I trade my season tickets for steaming games I get on BT. My season tickets are for the live experience not some virtual stuff..
I’m actually disgusted that a condomised experience is being touted as the real thing. Some people need to get to a live game.
Which team do you have season tickets for?
As I have said before it is play it out or void, all other options are just fantasy. As for the date things need to be finished by it will likely have to be the 30 June. I say this as whilst UEFA/FIFA have indicated otherwise, there is absolutely no legal leg they can stand on to force players/clubs to sign contract extensions so the season can finish.
For instance, lets look at Willian who is probably the most high profile PL player that is about to be out of contract. Currently he has turned down a two year extension and is looking for three year deal, which, considering he is 32 in the Summer, makes you think that he must already have an offer elsewhere. What happens if he is forced to sign a 2 month extension at Chelsea, against his wishes, and then he blows his ACL in a game/training because everyone has been rushed back?
It would be an absolute disaster as he would lose a minimum of £15m and his career (good luck getting a contract offer at 33 after a bad ACL), whatever team has a deal with him loses a player they are banking on for next season and Chelsea could be liable even though they did not want to sign him for that additional amount of time but where forced to as they have a small squad/to because UEFA/FIFA said so.
For instance, lets look at Willian who is probably the most high profile PL player that is about to be out of contract. Currently he has turned down a two year extension and is looking for three year deal, which, considering he is 32 in the Summer, makes you think that he must already have an offer elsewhere. What happens if he is forced to sign a 2 month extension at Chelsea, against his wishes, and then he blows his ACL in a game/training because everyone has been rushed back?
It would be an absolute disaster as he would lose a minimum of £15m and his career (good luck getting a contract offer at 33 after a bad ACL), whatever team has a deal with him loses a player they are banking on for next season and Chelsea could be liable even though they did not want to sign him for that additional amount of time but where forced to as they have a small squad/to because UEFA/FIFA said so.
9 Prem clubs according to The Mirror now in favour of voiding the season if it cannot be completed by 30 June - which is 100% going to be the case. Not even a minuscule possibility.
The second UEFA announce no European competitions next year that number will jump i think
No, I'm suggesting that it will be possible to have a system whereby people are able to pay to watch individual matches if they want to, therefore allowing some of the revenue lost to be regained. This could allow for buying tickets for individual matches or a seaonal/ subscription. Some people will not want to, others will realise that this is the only way they can watch the match. If matches end up being BCD during some periods (and it's hard to imagine than this won't be the case, especially with future waves) then this would allow a portion of people to continue to watch their team. It's trying to make the best of a bad situation.
Yep.
Which clubs are they then? The bottom 8 plus City at a guess? Or maybe Spurs?
Thing is though, even if they do that, they will probably just double down on it the following season where everyone who qualified for the last two seasons get to play.
They could do a 64 team tournament the following year (with every team that's qualified in the two season's plus the highest ranked teams that didn't to make up the numbers) and ultimately it will still only be two more games for the teams that make it to the RO16 and beyond, and will require no more match day slots as instead of spreading out the RO16 in four weeks they will just do what the Europa does and have RO32 and RO16 done in those four weeks. The CL would be the easiest thing to work round when all said and done.
If they have to cut it next year they will go big to make up for it after that.
Spurs and Arsenal without doubt voted void as their reward for their worst season's since the 00s and 90s respectively would be a sleep walk into the CL.
That's one of the main reason's I'm against a void, those two taking Leicester's and potentially Sheffield United's place would be criminal.
Imagine if one of them (or any team that wouldn't have been in it without a void) have a fluke run and win it? Would be an absolute farce.