Yes because they're locking down, what happens when they try to lift the lockdown though?
2nd wave surely hits and back to square 1.
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Yes because they're locking down, what happens when they try to lift the lockdown though?
2nd wave surely hits and back to square 1.
If they get football back up it will be BCD.
The problem is if you lift the lockdown the virus will start to spread once more. I don't think normal life will be resuming any time soon.
Wow, I just can't understand your logic. It is because of the lockdown and social distancing that they are reducing, emphasis on reducing, not complete stop of the spread. The minute you start it up, cases will rise again and deaths will follow soon after. How is that hard to comprehend?
Yes, its true. Even the scriptures say so
Luke 20:18
"Thou shall void the season, when there is a pandemic"
Belgium league after doing the right thing. Ending the league as it is. All the positions are as they are. Club Brugge as champions.
You genuinely make me feel a bit sick. You're like a dog with a bone. You take exactly what you want from any situation to fit your desperation for football, no matter what else is going on.
Italy have just recorded an increase in deaths.
Death toll just went up in Italy today.
Social distancing will still be in effect for a long time yet, as that is 100% the reason why cases and deaths are reducing. Football is a contact sport and just playing it increases the risk of spreading the infection, behind closed doors or not. Are we going to test every player minutes before they set foot on the pitch to guarantee they don't infect each other? We're not even testing frontline NHS staff in this country. Symptomless footballers aren't going to jump the queue.
Would buses full of footballers and club staff travelling up and down the country every weekend be classed as essential travel? No chance.
If football was restarted amidst the virus spreading, when Liverpool win the league, do you think Liverpool fans will observe the title win at home? No chance, they will be celebrating in the streets, there would be no stopping them. Any set of fans would do the same.
They're building makeshift hospitals in fields and arenas because the health service is overwhelmed even after attempts to slow the spread. Potentially exacerbating that over a game of football is mindless. Football starting up again would be deeply irresponsible.
Re-start this season?
Or start a new season?
you know what curtail means in this context don’t you?
You probably mean cancel. But im sure we have months and another few 100 pages before that happens.
There's too much logic in you post, I'm afraid it's gone looong passed him.
There really is no need for this.
This is Germany earlier today where 17 out of 18 teams are back training and the league is scheduled to restart in early May.
Yes, that does not have any bearing on what happens in the UK which by all accounts has been hit worse. But it is clear evidence of a bit of normality coming back after what has been tough for everyone. It also shows that of course governments and business are working on a plan on how to reopen and reintroduce, well life if you will, and that includes football too. It would be stupid not to. Austria announced today that all shopping centres reopen on 1 May. Do you really think there won't be any games behind closed doors when they allow hundreds of people into the malls? I think it's rather naive to assume there will not be any football for the foreseeable future. To be honest, I would be suprised if any of the major leagues will not be finished and that includes Serie A and Primera Division. The criteria for when it is safe to resume the league will be decided by the experts and this may well be in June or even July. But voiding this season and even the next one which I've seen suggested in this thread has little basis in reality when we look at the statements made by the authorities and footballing bodies.
Bringing up the numbers of people dying and to insinuate those who talk about football coming back lack empathy is really disingenious and a little offensive.
Didn’t bother reading your post to be honest mate, Germany has no relevancy to the horror and nightmare that is developing in England.
It’s a positive news that cases are going down, no doubt. But they still have a lot of active cases in the country and will need at least a month to begin to slowly normalize things. That is the best case scenario. I do think the leagues will start again but not until July-Aug.
Nah, he started with a (silly) opinion, then didn't want to lose face so stuck with it in the face of all common sense... he's the Cafs Donald Trump.
Now he's just wumming.
A foreign league calls it quits: "THIS SETS PRECEDENT"
A foreign league starts up again: "didn't bother mate, no relevancy"
Of course it is relevant. What do you think England will do when 4 of the 5 other big leagues get finished? Don't think too long on it.
The "authorities" can make statements all they want, it's not going to chase away the virus. The longer this thing goes on, which I clearly see to be way beyond the optimistic July so confidently stated here, the more pressure those same authorities will be under to scrap the whole thing.There really is no need for this.
This is Germany earlier today where 17 out of 18 teams are back training and the league is scheduled to restart in early May.
Yes, that does not have any bearing on what happens in the UK which by all accounts has been hit worse. But it is clear evidence of a bit of normality coming back after what has been tough for everyone. It also shows that of course governments and business are working on a plan on how to reopen and reintroduce, well life if you will, and that includes football too. It would be stupid not to. Austria announced today that all shopping centres reopen on 1 May. Do you really think there won't be any games behind closed doors when they allow hundreds of people into the malls? I think it's rather naive to assume there will not be any football for the foreseeable future. To be honest, I would be suprised if any of the major leagues will not be finished and that includes Serie A and Primera Division. The criteria for when it is safe to resume the league will be decided by the experts and this may well be in June or even July. But voiding this season and even the next one which I've seen suggested in this thread has little basis in reality when we look at the statements made by the authorities and footballing bodies.
Bringing up the numbers of people dying and to insinuate those who talk about football coming back lack empathy is really disingenious and a little offensive.
I definitely don't see Italy recovering any time soon to think it would be a good idea to bring football back. Both UK and Spain and battling to ensure the next waves that hit won't be as bad, but once again, no statements going to wish it away, only action, and that action right now is social distancing for as long as possible.
Good on Germany if the way they have handled this allows them to start getting back to normal, but how crushingly sad it will be if it causes another wave. Until a vaccine is out there, people can get reinfected from what's going around, though not proven, more a hope that there will be seasonal immunity once you've recovered from it. And once/if people get reinfected, it doesn't help opening up football again. Sure BCD and all that, but even that will come at a price.
So what will be stupid is prematurely doing something just because we want our normal back. Football or whatever other social norms we've been so accustomed to. Neither do I think the governments have the good of the people as a top priority for wanting to open things up asap.
I've seen the same argument on the other side of the debate. Constantly heard that we won't follow what other leagues do, blah blah.A foreign league calls it quits: "THIS SETS PRECEDENT"
A foreign league starts up again: "didn't bother mate, no relevancy"
Of course it is relevant. What do you think England will do when 4 of the 5 other big leagues get finished? Don't think too long on it.
Each country will do what it needs to do based on how hard it gets hit once all the dust settles. I honestly don't see Italy and Spain finishing. I can see Germany finishing based on what's already happened, until things change because of reopening stuff so soon.
As for the UK, I guess it depends on how they fair for the rest of April, come end of it, and this virus isn't under control at least then it could be very close to canceling it. I even see a further save face suspend till end of May announcement and then a final decision at the end of May as to whether they will be able to finish it or not.
Agreed with most of that, yeah. It was just the "didn't even bother to read your post" part that really stood out to me.
Okay you do make some good points here. I get all of that, I still believe we have lots of time to figure this out and come out with contingency plans for a Late June to Early July start date.
Also death rate did go up but the cases dropped. In the long term it's all about the cases that will matter.
There really is no need for this.
This is Germany earlier today where 17 out of 18 teams are back training and the league is scheduled to restart in early May.
Yes, that does not have any bearing on what happens in the UK which by all accounts has been hit worse. But it is clear evidence of a bit of normality coming back after what has been tough for everyone. It also shows that of course governments and business are working on a plan on how to reopen and reintroduce, well life if you will, and that includes football too. It would be stupid not to. Austria announced today that all shopping centres reopen on 1 May. Do you really think there won't be any games behind closed doors when they allow hundreds of people into the malls? I think it's rather naive to assume there will not be any football for the foreseeable future. To be honest, I would be suprised if any of the major leagues will not be finished and that includes Serie A and Primera Division. The criteria for when it is safe to resume the league will be decided by the experts and this may well be in June or even July. But voiding this season and even the next one which I've seen suggested in this thread has little basis in reality when we look at the statements made by the authorities and footballing bodies.
Bringing up the numbers of people dying and to insinuate those who talk about football coming back lack empathy is really disingenious and a little offensive.
Finally someone that sees the light. Thank you for this brilliant post.
You didn't bother because it doesn't fit your agenda for having the league cancelled all because you don't want liverpool winning - because let's face it bro that's why you are so against the league starting again.
Agreed.. July is a strong possible start date. Lots of cases going down is also a great thing.
There is no reason to call names on this board because someone has a different opinion than you. I strongly believe the league won't get voided/cancelled. If you choose to be all doom and gloom and hope the league gets scrapped please do not use that against me and call me names.
It might be a surprise to you but Liverpool is not the most important thing in the world. Health professionals are working really hard every single day with very little rest to save lives and help mitigate this. It is irresponsible to think about resuming sports and putting more people at risk and increasing a problem that is already big enough. If there is no cure or vaccine why risk a second wave after all that effort being put into stopping the first wave?
The prime minister is in intensive care due to the virus and here we have people thinking the league will start again anytime soon.A foreign league calls it quits: "THIS SETS PRECEDENT"
A foreign league starts up again: "didn't bother mate, no relevancy"
Of course it is relevant. What do you think England will do when 4 of the 5 other big leagues get finished? Don't think too long on it.
The absolute earliest that I could see the league starting back up is May 23 and that would be with no fans in the stands, but I would think it would likely in July and still no fans.
Wimbledon is canceled. Also, here in Canada, the Queen's Plate horse race is canceled at the end of June and that is mostly local and North American travelers.
Wimbledon is canceled. Also, here in Canada, the Queen's Plate horse race is canceled at the end of June and that is mostly local and North American travelers.
What's bizarre in this thread is that the current champions' manager's mother just died from this very virus and you're talking along as normal like it didn't happen or has no bearing on how things proceed.
With the virus hitting so close to home, and very probably ending with numerous players/managers being affected perhaps in the worst way, like Pep, or seeing sick friends or family, or already voicing concerns they are humans, too (Rooney being a name that forces fans and governing bodies to take heed) there is no way football gets the green light from all involved until we're a million miles from where we are now.
BCD and even the PL itself giving the go ahead will mean absolutely nothing if the players and staff don't, too. Pep having his mother die from this, how long before he's sanctioning his players, and the club as a whole, back into the fold? And who is/are the people that will tell him different? A few cases of contraction would shut football down again, which is likely to be the case if other leagues get going prematurely.
There are also aged managers scattered across the leagues and probably multiple personnel in staff with comorbidities... the scandal if a go ahead is given and one of these people end up seriously ill, or worse, would set football back further than if things are done the right way, which logically is the long haul.
As much as people don't want to hear it, sports as a whole will be one of the last things we'll see returning to the fold. The toss up between determining a restart or a new season will be organic, and as time goes by, obvious, I should think.
With the virus hitting so close to home, and very probably ending with numerous players/managers being affected perhaps in the worst way, like Pep, or seeing sick friends or family, or already voicing concerns they are humans, too (Rooney being a name that forces fans and governing bodies to take heed) there is no way football gets the green light from all involved until we're a million miles from where we are now.
BCD and even the PL itself giving the go ahead will mean absolutely nothing if the players and staff don't, too. Pep having his mother die from this, how long before he's sanctioning his players, and the club as a whole, back into the fold? And who is/are the people that will tell him different? A few cases of contraction would shut football down again, which is likely to be the case if other leagues get going prematurely.
There are also aged managers scattered across the leagues and probably multiple personnel in staff with comorbidities... the scandal if a go ahead is given and one of these people end up seriously ill, or worse, would set football back further than if things are done the right way, which logically is the long haul.
As much as people don't want to hear it, sports as a whole will be one of the last things we'll see returning to the fold. The toss up between determining a restart or a new season will be organic, and as time goes by, obvious, I should think.
Germany, upto 15th March 2020, had only tested 160,000 people using the PCR test.
On the 22nd March 2020, germany recorded just over 23,000 case with 90 deaths, which 10 days later increased to a number just over 500, on this same day, germany went into lockdown.
From the 20/03/20 germany were able to test 160,000 people a day.
PCR testing – involves taking a swap from patients, and matching it to the DNA and RNA evidence of the virus 'a sequence match to the virus'.
A match means you have the virus, the benefit of the PcR, it helps create a picture, in the early stages of the outbreak, helps isolate infected people and contain the outbreak.
PCR testing is also important later in the outbreak because it shows us:
A}How the virus is transmitting through the population (helps to calculate the percentage of people that develop serious complications, revealing how dangerous this virus is for different people - young and old, men and women, people with other health problems).
The only issue with this sort of testing is it can have a higher false negative test rate – i.e. missing the virus even though someone has the infection.
The antibody test - runs on a sample of blood from a patient. If you were to put a sample of the virus directly on the antibody test you will get no result.
The antibody test is not looking for the virus, but evidence of the virus being in the body, and the body reacting to it by producing antibodies to help fight it off.
The antibody IgM is the bodies first response to an infection – normally within 5-10 days of an infection taking hold, peaking at 21 days after the infection.
IgM can be present in the blood within 1 day of symptoms, but that isn’t going to be a reliable test at that stage, as the likely won’t be large amounts of IgM for use to detect, hence 5 day or later is when blood samples are taken.
When tested alone, the PCR test has a 66.7% detection rate within the first week, whilst the antibody test has a lower 38.3% detection rate.
The arguement currently being made is combining the antibody test AND the PCR swab taken from the patient. Then we have a 98.6% detection rate within the first 5.5 days of infection.
The PCR test will help reduce the number of case, but not deaths in relation to those who test postive - most countries are seeing 5% to 10% death rate, from total number of positive cases.
The antibody test, will show your body is in a fight, to neutalize the virus.
Another test is:
Serology testing reveals if you have been exposed to the virus, and your body has developed antibodies. IgM antibodies are present early in infection, IgG antibodies (seroconversion) arise a few days later.
What we need is something to play a supporting act as part of our first line of defence, to give the body a fighting chance,at present the body is trying to put out a fire and at the same time protect those inside, until a vaccine is found.
Germany had a jump in deaths announced today and from the live data others do in Germany it's another increase of ~200 that will be announced by RKI tomorrow. I wouldn't be too sure on Germany right now or what will happen when they ease up and cases rise.
I said it was a silly opinion.
Learn the rules.... "Criticize the post not the poster"
("please .... do not call me names" made me laugh though. Thanks)
All true the problem is we dont think we will even have these test within the next month.
Thanks for the above.
So from what I gather is that Germany has been efficient, but the question still remains, what happens when lockdown is lifted? Yes you have all the tests but it has the potential of causing another wave is there is it not?
Very good post. £750m is really not that much and will be far cheaper to lose/risk than any other option. I'm addition some deal will be reached with broadcasters who won't want to ruin their relationship with the PL so it will be in everyone's best interests to muddle through this.
The actual thought of continuing with this league in several months is laughable.
I absolutely agree with this part, it's the most important statistic. But what will keep that statistic leveled off and hopefully consistently reducing is social distancing and everyone acting as if they have the virus, to stop the spread. As soon as we loosen the restrictions, it goes back up. The UK still isn't fully appreciating the severity of the issue, and the weekend was littered with picnics, bbqs and sunbathing in public spaces. Italy and Spain are observing much stricter measures than we are.
If somehow the UK could introduce mass testing at the drop of a hat, and players (and anyone involved in the running of a BCD football match) could be tested with instantaneous results before a game takes place then perhaps BCD football could happen in the relative near future. But in a reality where we can't even get our healthcare workers tested, it's almost pure fantasy. Having that many people together playing a contact sport without the proper testing doesn't seem smart, and I'm sure the government would agree.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'figure this out' though. I believe we are figuring it out, and vaccine's and treatment are being developed, but it's not predicted that will be available this year.. Best case scenario is predicted to be 12 months from now, and that would probably be the quickest vaccine ever developed. Unless we stumble on a miracle treatment prior to that, the timeline doesn't look positive within a frame of time that could fit in the conclusion of the football season.
I'd love to be able to see this as optimistically as you are, and not really for football's sake but for everyone's sake, and for normality to resume, but it's the lockdown that is saving us (with hundreds of people still being infected and also dying every day). It's difficult to envisage a change in protocol any time soon.
I respect your opinion, and it's a real possibility that you're right, but it's not laughable at all to think that the league will continue. "Several months" is a long period - you hadn't even heard of "corona" 4 months ago, so who are you (or we all, to be fair) to claim that we know how the world will look like in 2 or 3 months time? That is a really long period and a lot could change in that time. The world cannot stop for such a long period, which is why we're already seeing plans of a re-start in Germany, Denmark, Austria, ... The UK has it worse right now, but "several months" is a long period. We just don't know. I 100% agree that football and all of sports is far down on the list of priorities, but it's not laughable at all.
226. Sad.
Looking at the graph excluding yesterday, looks like peaking/peaked.
Look and include yesterday's and it looks like previous 3 days were an anomaly and it's on an upward trend?
That's the issue with stats/graphs... you need a lot of data/time to make any reasonable assumptions.
Clubs training (and clearly stating it's only for them, they're still social distancing, etc) isn't an indicator the league's are all going to be up and running soon.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
I just find the idea there will be any appetite to continue with this at the risk of ruining a new season silly. A pre season will be needed, which will add even more time to matters, and then there's a huge list of problems that will arise involving contracts, the transfer window and everything else.
It seems obvious there should be a plan devised and cut off point (whatever publicised I'm certain there will be one) so clubs can plan ahead with some degree of certainty. Simply rolling this on and on and on would be ridiculous especially if it's just because of £700m which in the grander scheme of things is bugger all.
And it wont even be 700m in the end. It will be a pro rata amount which will then be negotiated down and divided by 20 Clubs. Per club it will be a drop in the Ocean in the bigger picture of things.
The money is a bit of a red herring in all of this. It is a factor of Course, but it is not everything.
It's really an insignificant amount in the grand scheme of things isn't it. There's players with bigger release clauses.
Let's assume football can't return until August and that June is too soon. Obviously within weeks this may look totally unrealistic and there may be many holes you lot can pick out but it's just a bit of brainstorming fun.
Bear in mind no European football until September. Games can be played behind closed doors for first few weeks if large crowds restrictions still haven't been lifted.
August 8th 2020:
- Resume PL season with 2 games a week
- FA Cup 1/4 finals to be played one midweek
5th September 2020:
Conclude PL season
8th September 2020-9th September 2020:
FA Cup Semi-finals
12th September 2020:
FA Cup Final
15th September 2020-16th September 2020:
Play remaining CL knockout ties (e.g. City v Real at the Ethihad) (play-offs during this period too)
17th September 2020:
Play remaining EL knockout ties (e.g. 2nd leg of Man United v LASK)
19th September 2020-27th September 2020:
- Play 3 EL games (1/4 final, 1/2 final and final) in Gdansk
- Play 3 CL games (1/4 final, 1/2 final and final) in Istanbul
- Season ends with Champions League final Sunday 27th September 2020
- Summer transfer window opens officially
24th October 2020:
- New Premier League season begins following 7 week break
- No European matches
- 2 league games a week the priority as no European Games
- League Cup scrapped for 20/21 so that PL games are the priority for mid-week
- Nations League scrapped, Only 1 international break in March for Euro 2021 play-offs.
- FA Cup games fitted in as normal
1st November 2020:
- 'Summer' transfer window shuts
4th April 2020:
Premier League season ends after 25 weeks.
11th April 2020:
FA Cup final.
18th April 2020:
- Champions League and Europa League tournament kicks off
- CL held in one country (e.g. Russia)
- EL held in another country (e.g. Spain)
- 7 games for the eventual winner. 1 leg group games and 1 leg knockout
17th May 2020:
- Season ends with Champions League final.
12th June 2020:
- Euro 2021 kicks off
12th July 2021:
- Euro 2021 concludes
August 2021:
- Premier League season starts on time again
- CL returns to usual format
Bear in mind no European football until September. Games can be played behind closed doors for first few weeks if large crowds restrictions still haven't been lifted.
August 8th 2020:
- Resume PL season with 2 games a week
- FA Cup 1/4 finals to be played one midweek
5th September 2020:
Conclude PL season
8th September 2020-9th September 2020:
FA Cup Semi-finals
12th September 2020:
FA Cup Final
15th September 2020-16th September 2020:
Play remaining CL knockout ties (e.g. City v Real at the Ethihad) (play-offs during this period too)
17th September 2020:
Play remaining EL knockout ties (e.g. 2nd leg of Man United v LASK)
19th September 2020-27th September 2020:
- Play 3 EL games (1/4 final, 1/2 final and final) in Gdansk
- Play 3 CL games (1/4 final, 1/2 final and final) in Istanbul
- Season ends with Champions League final Sunday 27th September 2020
- Summer transfer window opens officially
24th October 2020:
- New Premier League season begins following 7 week break
- No European matches
- 2 league games a week the priority as no European Games
- League Cup scrapped for 20/21 so that PL games are the priority for mid-week
- Nations League scrapped, Only 1 international break in March for Euro 2021 play-offs.
- FA Cup games fitted in as normal
1st November 2020:
- 'Summer' transfer window shuts
4th April 2020:
Premier League season ends after 25 weeks.
11th April 2020:
FA Cup final.
18th April 2020:
- Champions League and Europa League tournament kicks off
- CL held in one country (e.g. Russia)
- EL held in another country (e.g. Spain)
- 7 games for the eventual winner. 1 leg group games and 1 leg knockout
17th May 2020:
- Season ends with Champions League final.
12th June 2020:
- Euro 2021 kicks off
12th July 2021:
- Euro 2021 concludes
August 2021:
- Premier League season starts on time again
- CL returns to usual format