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Could Norway be banned from WC? FIFA threatens
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it’s a bit like when Andy Cole retired from international football despite not being picked
I will give you this- When I opened this thread I did not expect to see someone equate the name of a country with how they believe atrocities should be carried out.
i just don’t think the norwayians should be able to get away with it. their vast oil reserves were all stolen from suffolk in the 9th century.
I would be in favor of the Qatari national team wearing 'Justice for Lindisfarne' t-shirts during warm-up.
i’ve heard the england players will kneel at the start of the match against scotland. they’ll knell in solidarity with the monks that were forced to kneel before being beheaded by the norsemen.
Regarding the bolded, how does that pertain to yourself and the way you have commented on Qatar, and how you have commented on Israel?
I think you have spoken correctly and passionately about the situation with Israel Palestine, yet when speaking about the migrant workers in Qatar you've bought up arguments that it could be worse in surrounding areas, that the numbers don't add up, general whataboutism that seems oddly familiar.
With regards to Norway, while I think the mechanics and reasonings that underlie why a nation might not broach some subjects should be explored and discussed, I'd also rather that one atrocity is talked about rather than none. The same way that when Ireland spoke up about the situation with Israel and Palestine, my thought wasn't that I wished they'd kept quiet because they haven't spoken about Qatar.
Dunno
Is this the farthest someone has gone back in history to try and win an argument on the Caf? Vikings were cruel in the 8th century so that justifies slave labour in the 21st century. Absolute barn buster of a post.
He's joking mate, it's @rimaldo
What if someone thinks both Israel and Qatar should be boycotted, but lack the geo-political power to make either of these things happen? Does this pass your divine hypocricy check?
Crazy world. Qatar can also more than afford to offer better conditions from living to work safety.
It shouldn't matter when someone or some group takes a stand, what matters is they have, it should be never too late to say hang on we have to do something, raise awareness and try to make the situation better. The views and political climate change by the year. Questioning why now is as bad as whataboutism.
First of all that's not true. The collective "west" as you put it have not been silent on Israel. You can find numerous calls to peace from various angles with a simple search. And also to bring in the entire West into a discussion led by the FA of one country seems really unecessary and agenda driven.
Secondly Norway FA is acting on a football related matter. They won't be reacting to every other issue going on in the world and rightly so. There is no hypocrisy here even if you feel there is elsewhere.
Lastly, I think they should be appluaded for taking action rather than called hypocrites. Since they can't do everything they should have done nothing I guess.
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It's a shame that I had to point it out when it was so obvious. Fun fact: Did you know the UK has an arms deal with Saudi Arabia, a country with human rights records far worse than Qatar? Nope? Didn't think so.
I think solid efforts should be made to improve working conditions in Qatar and general living conditions in Israel. Boycotting is never a solution. It does not solve the actual problem.
Haha I got that by his reply to my post.
Is there a single argument on the internet around ethics, morality, and justice that doesn’t quickly get dragged down into whataboutism by dimwits
“I know he killed her, but what about Archibald the third who killed his wife in 762 BC and no one EVER talks about it?”
Let’s not stand for anything anymore. Everything is fine.
“I know he killed her, but what about Archibald the third who killed his wife in 762 BC and no one EVER talks about it?”
Let’s not stand for anything anymore. Everything is fine.
Haha I got that by his reply to my post.
in all seriousness, i’m all for highlighting corruption, human rights abuses and some of the more draconian elements of the way the qatar is run, but i do struggle a little with it being done by footballers wearing kits and boots made in sweatshops in other countries where equally horrible things are happening. it’s a little “it’s fine 20 kids at the factory died on the day these boots were made but i’ll be dammed if i’m forced to use them to kick a ball in another country where 20 other dudes died building the stadium.”
No way, Saudi Arabia are villains? You are blowing my mind man! Pointing these things out, makes you seem so smart! You should wear a cape.
It's funny because from a handful of people commenting here, I'm the one who's actually from a South Asian country from where people go to the middle east in droves and work in awful conditions. I know the exact conditions of these countries - I've been to Qatar, the UAE and Saudi multiple times.
I have no sympathy for these nations - they are corrupt and treat people (that are not arab looking) like shit. But you can not single one of them out because your friends (read: UAE, Saudi) want you to. Qatar has improved it's working conditions for laborers a lot and the focus should be on ensuring more of that.
The boycott/cancel suggestion reeks of a dirty political game to me.
I reckon it depends on your lived experience.
For those whose countries are still feeling the effects of Western influence, it's always difficult to hear arguments about morality from those countries against other countries. Especially when there's a valid question as to what degree they actually care about ethics when it affects them.
You're right that the correct thing to do is probably to accept each ethical argument, but like with all hypocrisy, the temptation to call it out is incredibly strong. Pertinent example from @rimaldo above.
I know it's difficult for you to grasp but if you are in bed with a country known for it's human rights abuses then it gives you no fecking moral right to "boycott" or talk about human rights abuses in another country.
It's because of people like you that Biden has the audacity to call out Russia on human rights abuses while sanctioning millions of $ to Israel and Saudi Arabia.
The hypocrisy is unreal but expected.
I don't know if it's been mentioned but I was against Qatar 2022 the second I heard that they were going to be build almost all the stadiums specifically for the events, that alone should have seen most FAs reject the idea.
Feck me, that's my fault? And you deduced that by me making fun of you on your silly crusade against hypocrisy?
I have to sit down and decide what to do with my new found powers to influence world leaders!
Call me ignorant but what do you want the west to do exactly? It is easy for the general public to boycott a football tournament in protest of Qatar's human rights issues but what do you want us as the western general public, to do about the situation in Israel?
Norway can easily boycott a football tournament but what exactly would you expect them to do in relation to Israel?
Feck me, that's my fault? And you deduced that by me making fun of you on your silly crusade against hypocrisy?
I have to sit down and decide what to do with my new found powers to influence world leaders!
You do take everything literally.
I meant because there is no collective outrage on hypocritical stances by these countries, we see these more and more everyday.https://www.tv2.no/a/14014011/
NFF decided to not boycott in late May. This is a non-issue. We’ll keep doing things to call attention to the issues, as we have without FIFA making much of a peep, unless I’m missing something? Norwegian press also went out detailing their weeks of repeated requests for FIFA to answer questions pertaining to the working conditions in Qatar, and the total silence from FIFA. If there’s been any noise about sanctions, I’ve totally missed it, which is weird cause our press would make a big deal of that, I feel.
NFF decided to not boycott in late May. This is a non-issue. We’ll keep doing things to call attention to the issues, as we have without FIFA making much of a peep, unless I’m missing something? Norwegian press also went out detailing their weeks of repeated requests for FIFA to answer questions pertaining to the working conditions in Qatar, and the total silence from FIFA. If there’s been any noise about sanctions, I’ve totally missed it, which is weird cause our press would make a big deal of that, I feel.
Not only that but most of them will also only be used for the event.
Think you're just overestimating my vested interest in this topic. The west is obviously hypocritical as feck.You do take everything literally.
That was my issue, an absolute waste. I disliked the idea of the World Cup in South Africa and later when I realized what had happened, Athens 2000. The only silver lining is that Qatar can afford it but when you take into account the terrible work conditions, there is no way to support the idea of Qatar 2022.
Good post.
Yes they have money to afford better working conditions, but the problem is that they dont give a shiet about those workers. They are just slaves in their eyes.
Its never too late my friend. But money talks!
I agree completely.
Need Neville and Carragher to show their outrage at this.
Not long before Graeme Souness blames Pogba for this.
If Pogba workrate was up to PL standards, those workers wouldn't have to pick up the slack and would be working in a much safer environment.
Good post. A boycott of Qatar would reek and be viewed as hypocrisy. All these Norwegians growing a conscious today will never bat an eyelid when the US will host the WC, despite Qatar looking like a fly in the jungle compared to the US when it comes to human rights abuses.
Selective morality.
So we should not label people because you have a different point of view - while you call people hypocrites for having a different point of view than what you have ? Congratulation - but that is arguably the dumbest logic I have read by anyone here : ) I applaud thee
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume the people who run the Norwegian FA and are considering boycotting the World Cup are not the same people who run Norway's Athletics. So it wouldn't be hypocritical.
You don't need to make these false equivalences to defend Qatar.
And the media will blame Sterling's gun tattoo I'm sure
It's both tragic and depressing and made worse by the fact every time it's brought up on here you get the usual people running into defend them.
Rich coming from a country which is still a kingdom, has a colonial past and still has dependencies.
“pogba leaves traps in scaffold boards. he refuses to wear steel capped boots. he leaves his hi-vis in the van. he doesn’t secure his load around the site. he generally mucks about. you can’t have someone like him on a job site.”
Indeed
Yes they even drive with their lights on day and night you know. Something sinister about that.
I think the best solution is to fire the entire Fifa board and corrupt executives who've allowed the World Cup to take place in autocratic nations to begin with.
Replace them with Roy Keane I say.
Replace them with Roy Keane I say.
Feck me, that's my fault? And you deduced that by me making fun of you on your silly crusade against hypocrisy?
I have to sit down and decide what to do with my new found powers to influence world leaders!
You should be ashamed @KirkDuyt being from Holland, which is close to Norway who are thinking about boycotting Qatar 2022. But you are also somehow in bed with the UK who sell arms to the Saudi's and something, something, something.....
Fecking hypocrite.
What did I just read?
I am sure Norway would refuse to play with all countries involved in Iraq war or with a colonial past and past involvement in slave trade. As if the 19th and 20th infrastructure that Europeans still enjoy was not built by the millions of African slaves that died building them and financed from the loot and plunder they did across the world. Hypocrites.