In a handbag?
But yeah, he made it quite clear that he has no issues with any police officers being shot and killed.
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Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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In a handbag?
But yeah, he made it quite clear that he has no issues with any police officers being shot and killed.
How could I forget to include the handbag!?
Never forget the handbag!
In all seriousness, it just seemed a strange stance to take. I guess now it’s clear he just hates all cops regardless of if they’ve ever done anything wrong. And I’m supposed to be the biased one.
Caf's potential resident terrorist in top form as usual I see.
I'm pretty sure he meant "understandable" in the sense that you can wrap your head around how somebody would think that way, not that he in any way agrees with or condones it. He even said it's not ok to act that way and that he isn't defending it.
Except the poster didn't
I didn’t say he did.
Also are people really blind to see where the heckling comes from? Not condoning it, they are as bad as those in the police that force who are complicit (since they don't speak out) and defend their colleagues, but nothing will get better until people understand the issues and how people on both side feel
sounds like a defense to me. Rookie officer joined a “gang” so it’s “perfectly understanable” that someone should be at the ongoing scene to cheer her being shot.
Surely you can see, in the context of the thread as a whole, that he's not saying he agrees with or condones it in any way, he's just saying that given the situation and the parties involved one can comprehend how people in that community might react that way.
I mean, it's not right at all, but I can see why that community view police as the enemy why why some might react in such a way, given what they have been on the receiving end of.
My last post hopefully clarifies what I'm getting at, and what I'm sure Eboue meant even if he didn't get it across well.
It's the word "understand" that's causing trouble, replace it with "comprehend" and I think it's clearer.
So you’re saying he’s offering an opposing viewpoint? One that might be helpful in understanding what the other side is possibly thinking, or their motivations?
Weird considering he doesn’t give a feck when anyone else offers one.
Taking his posts as a whole regarding all cops are liars, his “acab” comments, no good cops etc, he’s drawn his line clearly in the sand.
If I said the comments people posted in regards to this person taunting the officer were understandable because they were upset and angry an officer was shot, I’d rightly be called out for it. There’s no excuse for deplorable behavior.
It’s ironic that he spends all his time in here complaining that officers defend each other and don’t speak out, then immediately goes about explaining why someone might be acting like a cnut rather than just calling how it is.
That's all well and good and I get that you don't like his position in the debate, but the fact remains that he wasn't defending the actions of those celebrating, which he's been repeatedly accused of and at the same time removed from the thread and is therefore unable to debate the point himself anymore.
He was accused of being hypocritical, and he got removed because of his choice of words when explaining its understandable why someone would cheer someone getting shot and killed.
He didn’t try to clarify anything, and doubled down on his comments if anything. You don’t see issue with what he said, so be it. Others did.
Its ok to have a different opinion to the majority without that being a requirement to be removed from a thread
I never asked him to be removed or stated he should. I was talking about what people took issue with him saying.
That’s twice now you’ve jumped on me for something that I didn’t say.
He doesn't want to debate anything. Skizzo has, on my many occasions, tried to have a discussion with him on this and he's gone on the offensive on every occasion.
Disappointed in how eboue was dealt with... Pretty easy to see the point he was trying to make.
I'm not jumping on you actually. I am commenting on the situation, no where did I say anything about you asking the poster to be removed. You did give grounds to justify their removal though, ironic, given thats also what the poster did which you took exception to.
Seem you are jumping on me for something I didn't say, guess we're even now.
For what its worth the first time I didn't read your post properly so apologies for that.
The point I am making isn't directly to you and if you can't see that the thread ban was draconian at best then fair enough
afrocentricity gon afrocentricity...
Once again we see a situation where community members and police departments are at an impasse.
The state of those comments...
That Bluelivesmatter site, it has questionable comments and hottakes in abundance. How will police officers posting shit like that in online echo chambers react when confronted (rightly or wrongly) by the people they have shown explicit hate/disdain for? Probably won't like having their authority questioned for a start....
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You quoted me, highlighted something I said, and said it didn’t deserve a ban. You could have made that same point without quoting and highlighting something I said if it didn’t apply to your point. Misunderstanding, so I apologize
I never asked that he he banned. If ever I was, it would have been after he made his other comments regarding all cops being ______ on whichever occasion it was that particular time.
You quoted me, highlighted something I said, and said it didn’t deserve a ban. You could have made that same point without quoting and highlighting something I said if it didn’t apply to your point. Misunderstanding, so I apologize
I never asked that he he banned. If ever I was, it would have been after he made his other comments regarding all cops being ______ on whichever occasion it was that particular time.
The point I am making is that it doesn't seem justified thats all
In any case this is another thread where I have witnessed someone with opposing views to the majority being thread banned... its a little disturbing
Welcome to redcafe!
I agree with this perspective in the context of this thread.
thank feck boy had his wits about him
He didn’t exactly condemn it.
What he said is basically the equivalent of “Given the amount of crime, violence and hatred toward police in the community, it’s not“ok” for that cop to shoot the unarmed man walking down the street, but I can understand why he did.”
It was a fecking disgusting comment. The fact that some in here can’t get themselves to say that out loud is just as alarming.
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It's not the equivalent of that at all, that's just silly. It's also only a "disgusting comment" if you turn it into something it wasn't and ignore what was actually being said.
There have been posts along those lines in here before (guy should have complied... cops fear for their lives... etc). Can't recall any thread ban being issued, correct me if I'm wrong.
Different statements, but can be interpreted similarly. Going forward, some consistency would be nice.
Different statements, but can be interpreted similarly. Going forward, some consistency would be nice.
Terrifying. Getting told to do things that involve moving your hands to where that can't see and knowing how trigger happy they can be. Feck that.
No reasonable person could assume that the poster was celebrating the death of a police officer.
You can see some pretty disturbing trends in the WaPo link you cited. Since 2015 white people, who constitute >60% of the population, contributed to 50% of police shooting deaths and 42% of unarmed shooting deaths. Conversely black people, who constitute <13% of the population contributed to 26% of police shootings and 36% of all unarmed shootings over the same period. So that's 60%>50%>42% vs 13%<26%<36%.
Over the same period Hispanics constituted around 17% of the population and contributed around 18-19% to both figures. So while other ethnicities are killed by the police the facts demonstrate which of them suffer the most and which the least and that demonstration is stark. The media is a very useful tool in the 21st century.
You then go on to link to a Fox News story regarding police deaths in the line of duty without noting that 23 of the 44 deaths were from car accidents and natural causes and included one death resulting from being shot in 1981. The media is a very dangerous tool in the 21st century.
The average number of police officers blown up, shot, beaten or stabbed to death since 2015 is still horribly high (at around 55 per year). That means that more unarmed civilians are shot to death each year by police than there are police officers killed by felons.
Last page or so of this thread are really disappointing. You can disagree with someones opinion (I do) without being deliberately disingenuous and making out he was saying something he wasn't so you can thread ban him. The caf is usually better than this.
Yes. Seems to have successfully closed down the opposition. Disappointing when someone is informative on the topic and some would like that to end.
This happened last month didn't it?
Huh?
This thread is clearly an anti-cop thread (not that I'm advocating for the behavior of many cops, just to be clear).
Nonetheless, Cassidy was well off in suggesting that a poster in the minority belief was thread banned. The majority belief in this thread is along the lines of Eboue's posts. Hell, it's basically in the thread title.