It looked like both officers were shot, what happened to them? What was the extent of the injuries?
Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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It looked like both officers were shot, what happened to them? What was the extent of the injuries?
That was shockingly brutal. Very happy that those two officers got out with there lives.
Shocking to see. Makes me sick seeing stuff like that.
The fact that this could happen with any encounter, at any time, must absolutely scare the shit out of police. Police have gotten a bad wrap and rightfully so in some instances - but the fact that they have to be mentally prepared for this to happen every time they encounter a civilian can't be easy.
He feared for his life so he decided to try to grab the pistols on their holster. fecking idiot and waste of space.The mad thing is, had they managed to subdue him before he ran and got his gun the exact same footage would be used as evidence of police brutality. With loads of backseat experts talking about how the use of the Taser was excessive and why there was no need to punch him as many times as they did.
It's going to continue to be that way so long as this country has a hard on for guns and put out policies that disenfranchise people. In a developed nation, no officer should ever feel threatened, let alone with his/her life, from a routine traffic stop. But here we are.
Any young black man can reasonably fear for their life during police interactions. If they react the wrong way they are a split-second from dying. Now I don't believe this guy at all, but it isn't an outrageous claim by any means. Still doesn't justify trying to grab their weapons and shoot them though.
You know, that’s not inconceivable as per my comment above. There’s a complete breakdown in the relationship between American cops and (especially black) citizens. Both parties expect the absolute worst to happen, which makes it more likely that it does happen.
The guy is lucky they insisted on using tasers, because he could have been shot dead long before had it been a more trigger happy cop. He was clearly on something to be overpowering two grown men like that.
When you're fighting for your life you can be very strong. The guy was acquitted of being under influence of MJ anyway. I didn't think weed made somebody belligerent!
It's not an outrageous claim generally, because that's certainly true in that community. But there is a big difference between being shot dead point blank for resisting arrest and being shot dead for trying to grab a firearm from an officer or taking your own gun to shoot at them. I get that his attorney is trying to throw any shit at the wall to see if it sticks, but it's clear as day this guy was acting like an idiot.
I don't put this on weed whatsoever. If anything, it should have helped him be more relaxed in this situation of being pulled over.
Well I guess you could argue that once they started grappling the use of gun was pretty much inevitable. Whether this perp had that cognition or not is debateable.
Apply that same logic to civilians and realize that police inflict far more unjustified violence on civilians than vice versa.
It's just not a battle worth having. Getting targeted for marijuana use is shitty but that one is far more winnable than trying to fight back against police, especially knowing how trigger happy they can be. The guy was lucky to be alive. Many black men were killed for less than that.
It's just not good enough. The country spends big on warfare but won't spend what's needed to keep its people and it's police safe. It's a fecking shambles....
Its not easy for them. You can't have a society that is swimming in 300 million weapons and not expect the cops to securitize their own approach to law enforcement.
What does this mean?
It means they are incentivized to be more aggressive because they are cops in a securitized country with 300 million guns and criminals who routinely use them. If you want to reduce the negative altercations ((both ways)) then reduce the amount of firearms.
Do you recommend civilians in fear of the police do the same then? Or understand when they do?
Not if they want to avoid altercations with the cops. If there's an issue then let the bodycam footage sort it out.
Naive as feck, but I get it. You can't relate...
And nor can you.
It is the only option. Attempting to fight back against the cops will always result in a tragedy.
No I get it. I get why someone would be annoyed with the police if they are being stopped and maybe arrested regularly because of how they look, or why someone would struggle with arresting officers if they were being choked out, or why someone would run from the police even if they hadn't done anything because between running and maybe getting away or staying and maybe being shot the choice isn't that clear cut.
It's not like bodycam footage has been keeping police in check is it? Shit still goes down, police still walk free most of the time.
I'm not saying that people should kick off or run away when crossing the police. I'm just saying I understand (because I can relate). Just like you say you understand the police and their actions in your previous posts.
I'm done here anyway as I've just got thru watching something that's left me furious and I might end up letting off in this thread.
So you want cops to make up their own laws and procedures because it's dangerous on the streets?
I'm in the camp of we need to change the laws to protect both cops and citizens - the mass availability of firearms, criminal justice reform, and more economic support for lower income people would be a good start.
How about cops just follow existing laws? Give that a try.
How's that working out so far ?
So why would they follow new laws?
For the reasons I outlined above - the current system with 300m firearms floating about and poor economic conditions for the lower class incentivizes confrontations among cops and citizens. Police Officers have judicial discretion on whether or not to engage so they are legally protected from penalty if they can show their interpretation of an incident meets a legal threshold. In a heavily armed society where both sides are operating in a security dilemma, confrontation is therefore incentivized. When you remove the weapons, the security dilemma is diminished. That requires a change in gun laws and economic conditions.
police officers who rape and murder and torture in this country arent doing so because they are afraid of civilians with guns. they do it because they are sociopaths feted by society and never held accountable
Everyone knows the issue is the American gun culture full stop. Change that and everything else improves with it.
Sure. Every time a cop kills a citizen when it’s not justified it’s because he or she is a sociopath who is feted by society and never held accountable. Never because they are scared and/or incompetent. Seems plausible.
When in the recent past has the country not been swimming in weapons and without an underclass who resort to crime in the absence of economic opportunities. The only difference today is the perceptual illusion that its happening more because of smart phones and social media.
try reading the first half of the sentence guy
If they are incompetent, they should be punished too, as any that is incompetent at their job and at the same degree of their responsability. If they are scared, also, dealing with that emotion is a very important part as a professional cop and therefore a form of incompetence