Cop in America doing a bad job, again

Now I can't help myself from talking about some of the true horror shit that I know.

When a suspect death happens, there are organizations that take on board some expert to make an investigation. I was part of such an episode working as the IT guy with an old man, a major surgeon making his investigation.

So the case was simple: man goes for surgery in a place, major fail, then again intervention (more money from him), fail, another try and this time major infection of a kind that is famous and nigh impossible to get rid. Guy sues the system, me and "my" MD are on the case. I will spare you the details and the horrors that the man went through, do you want the results? The doctor is innocent after 4 failed operations, and the hospital specific infection (it makes it impossible for healing) was not from that shit show of a clinic, it was from the person. I made the point that if this is such a major threat to surgery then why was the patient not tested first? I got some bad looks then.

What does this have to do with the thread? Nothing :lol: Just that I feel a lot more focus should be on things that we tend to take for granted as good but are not. Rant over.
 
calodo2003 said:
I’m fecking confused now.
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calodo2003 said:
And you support this extrajudicial abuse by cops?
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No. It should not happen
calodo2003 said:
And you support this extrajudicial abuse by cops?
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I do not support it but I understand that if you are a police officer and are going after a suspect known for killing or abuse for children you are going to be acting in a human way with the emotions that go with it. If the cop does wrong, he should be responsible to the law.
 
jackal&hyde said:
No. It should not happen

I do not support it but I understand that if you are a police officer and are going after a suspect known for killing or abuse for children you are going to be acting in a human way with the emotions that go with it. If the cop does wrong, he should be responsible to the law.
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Do you think the cops were wrong in that video clip?
 
jackal&hyde said:
Talk about a rubbish comment if there ever was one. You are the text book example of having posts wasted on some.
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The only rubbish thing in this thread is your view that it is correct to let the dogs loose on suspects who have been found guilty of no crime.

know in Germany interventions on suspects on drugs and human trafficking and they look like mega horror shows with dogs let lose on them, and that is correct
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jackal&hyde said:
You understand that police men and women are made out of humans yes? A bloke drinking too much or crossing the street wrong is something. Going after a killer or child killer/ molester is different. You might imagine that officers are robots, but they are not. I could go on about this not just because I have officers as friends, but because I've been a "victim" of police brutality, taken from my neighborhood to the police station and beaten a bit, and then let go. It was a mix up and I despise the fecker that did this but it is what it is. A mistake.

EDIT: The situation I lived has nothing to do with racism and much to do with the type of person that wants to be an officer. Cretins that want power and want to use it. These people can be taken care of through official means.
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The problem with your posts in here is that you seem to forget that police, unless catching someone in the act, don’t know who’s a child molester and who isn’t. It’s up to the judicial system to decide the nature and severity of a crime based on evidence presented.

It’s even more staggering to hold the opinion that you do when you’ve been beaten up by police in a case of mistaken identity. Imagine they had got info from someone you pissed off in the supermarket that you were a child molester. Would you want them to set the dogs on you then without any evidence?
 
VeevaVee said:
Wild shit. Pointing the gun out the moving car like they’re in a movie. Then all unloading on the car shooting each other and only hitting the guy twice. Two cops got shot by other cops here. Morons.

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This is absolutely insane. If it was a movie I'd be rolling my eyes at the stupidity.
 
jackal&hyde said:
Yes, obviously it was a shit reaction and if they were better trained they would have done better. They reacted emotionally imo.
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But you said it was "correct." If it was child killers or molesters, you fine with it cause it's an emotional reaction.

So imagine the lawyers of the those guys get that video and he gets off on a technicality or because of that...

But yeah, it's just emotional reaction.
Seriously, it's a stupid thing to say, no matter the scum, you make sure it's by the book so that said scum can't get off for your emotions and then feck up other people's lives because they still roam the streets cause you couldn't keep it in check.
 
calodo2003 said:
This escalation can't be what's taught at the academy level...

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it might well be, but the rules are that they can only use the force necessary in light of the likely risks given the totality of the circumstances as perceived by a reasonable officer.

A few people chilling out having a beer doesn't indicate potential violence in the interaction, and its only arguable that he passively resisted orders so does not justify that level of force
 
SirAnderson said:
But you said it was "correct." If it was child killers or molesters, you fine with it cause it's an emotional reaction.

So imagine the lawyers of the those guys get that video and he gets off on a technicality or because of that...

But yeah, it's just emotional reaction.
Seriously, it's a stupid thing to say, no matter the scum, you make sure it's by the book so that said scum can't get off for your emotions and then feck up other people's lives because they still roam the streets cause you couldn't keep it in check.
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I agree that it should be done by the books, especially for the reasons you posted. The normal human factor, or emotion, will and does play a role whether we like it or not. Police officers in general in most places as far as I know do not get half as much training as they should, both on the martial arts/ physical element and also the control emotions/ de escalation.

I could tell stories about the level of preparation some get based on whatever an incompetent person with power decides. I have fiends that were invited to 2 hour seminars to teach officers martial arts "moves". People that were trained in classical Japanese martial arts that need one to train for years just to get the body and sensitivity to a place where actual technique can be learned. The value then of such seminars? Feck all. You will often see videos of officers trying to submit some suspect and they will look super incompetent or worse, way to aggressive (they are trying to compensate a lack of skill). It is because of a lack of training and the issue here is not with them, the police men and women, but with the higher ups and even politicians.

I also had a mere last week and I'm sorry for some of my aggressive posting and off topic remarks.
 
calodo2003 said:
These are tough to watch. Such needless brutality. Sensing a pattern...

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Time for COP (Circle of Protection) Protocol

Atrocity -> What happened before -> Should have complied -> “It’s a few bad apples” -> Qualified Immunity -> Nothing happens -> Atrocity -> What h…….
 
calodo2003 said:
These are tough to watch. Such needless brutality. Sensing a pattern...

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Another argument for the implementation of national standards of policing and the obligation of succeeding a nationally recognized curriculum at one national police academy.

De-escalation techniques and aikido (a.k.a. the art of defending oneself while also protecting one's attackers from injury) should also be among the courses that count for most credits in the curriculum.
 
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