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Protest is fine but these days they're always hijacked by people with a different agenda, riots rarely achieve much if anything
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Protest is fine but these days they're always hijacked by people with a different agenda, riots rarely achieve much if anything
no they achieve EXACTLY what some people want....the opportunity to steal things they can't afford or won't purchase and the anonymity to burn and create chaos
You can think of good reasons for a riot, but riots solve nothing. All it does is alienate everyone from the cause.
Protests should be peaceful, and protesting allowed not struck down.
I was being facetious
What if the protest starts out as peaceful, but not allowed and/or is violently suppressed? Is rioting justified then, or should everyone just say "oh well I guess they won this one" and go home?
I clearly said protesting should be allowed.
During the BLM protests there indeed was suppression, terror and violence against the protesters. Some perpetrated by incognito mercenaries jumping from unmarked vehicles. Thanks to Trump.
Peaceful protest is a legal right, violent suppression isn't as is a violent response to it
2 wrongs don't make a right and 2 rights don't make a wrong
I know, but what if it isn't?
Then you don't live in a democracy
And then?
Is that what I said?
That's not always how things go. The world is not a Utopia.
Not it isn't but that doesn't legitimize a riot
Riot in a non-democracy and you're likely to end up dead or in a Gulag
In a democracy there is legal recourse
So if a peaceful protest is violently suppressed, everyone should calmly walk away like good little boys and girls.
Anyway this is quite off-topic but imo there are situations, extreme as they may be, where otherwise unpalatable actions are legitimate.
I'm glad so many of you seem to live in a black and white world where everything is simple, but that doesn't work for me.
Not quite sure a riot is ever a 'good' response to anything. I mean, do you go with something like the French revolution?
Certainly in this circumstance a riot is going to achieve the sum product of f*ck all. American policing is broken for a multitude of reasons, as has been discussed in this very thread. Training being the largest, but also recruitment, standards and so forth.
The five f*ctards that did this have been fired, and are being charged through the legal system. There was no cover up, there is no systemic protection, there is only a horrific act done by horrific people and hopefully personal consequences for them.
For me a riot in this case would just be an excuse for those with ulterior motives and causes to get media attention. And if there is a riot, people will likely get hurt, and likely die.
Certainly in this circumstance a riot is going to achieve the sum product of f*ck all. American policing is broken for a multitude of reasons, as has been discussed in this very thread. Training being the largest, but also recruitment, standards and so forth.
The five f*ctards that did this have been fired, and are being charged through the legal system. There was no cover up, there is no systemic protection, there is only a horrific act done by horrific people and hopefully personal consequences for them.
For me a riot in this case would just be an excuse for those with ulterior motives and causes to get media attention. And if there is a riot, people will likely get hurt, and likely die.
I actually agree with you that sometimes, a riot may be the only option to get people to take notice: Are Riots Effective? 9 Times Violent Demonstration Changed American Politics (bustle.com)
I didn't say good for a reason, I said legitimate. If a riot is ever legitimate, the situation is already very bad (or if it isn't legitimate, honestly). A riot is many things, but I think it's wrong to ever only think of one as "just an excuse". Riots, for good or bad or just okay reasons, never happen without a cause.
Interesting article! I hadn't thought of the Boston Tea Party as one, but of course it kinda was. And the Stonewall riots are a very good example of one that even had an ultimately good outcome (which is rarely the case, even if it's for a legitimate cause).
Look at the 9 listed, not sure that some of the more recent ones really changed anything
On the whole “a riot is never an legitimate response” bullshit, listen to this lady IN FULL:
And then STFU.
And then STFU.
To name an example of a legitimate reason for a riot: what if the Jan 6 insurrection had succeeded? Pence could have folded, and Trump could have never transferred power?
That would be a valid reason for Americans to riot, to thwart a coup.
That would be a valid reason for Americans to riot, to thwart a coup.
I'm not sure that kind of response would be classed as a riot, that would be more like a revolution, the military response to such an event would be interesting given Trump's support in the rank and file
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Martin Luther King said that a riot was the language of the unheard, but today all everyone "knows" about MLK is that he was a mild moderate who everyone liked. He definitely did not like riots at all, but he sure as shit thought they could be legitimate reactions to events.
That's a good example, and it sort of mirrors the one I was going to present if anyone ever actually responded to my questions about their absolute view on riots as never legitimate for any reason. What if Germans had rioted on March 24th 1933, after the passing of the Enabling Act, which basically made Hitler a dictator? It might not accomplish anything, or almost certainly wouldn't, but it sure as shit would be a legitimate response (even if some innocent shop-owners would lose their businesses).
So the whole incident is going to be released over 4 videos on youtube tonight (usa time).
This sounds like a powderkeg thats going to go nuclear...
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/27/us/tyre-nichols-memphis-friday/index.html
This sounds like a powderkeg thats going to go nuclear...
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/27/us/tyre-nichols-memphis-friday/index.html
come on...that wasn't a riot and to call it an insurrection is media politicizing because clearly there was no coup happening and no one was attacking the white house or trying to overthrow the gov't. It's also playing the What if game.
how's that possible bc we have black cops and black people can't be racist? you have black cops arresting black people and white people who don't obey the laws of the country. that doesn't make them racist and to say racism is policing and thus it is inherent to the organization is just hyperbole and deflection to the why not the who...ie color of someones skin.
can laugh....but to say this was a coup is honestly a slap those who truly faced real Coups d’Etat like what we saw in Cuba, Iran, Egypt, Italy, Nazi Germany....etc
they were just tourists @calodo2003
Wow. Just, wow.
Wow. Just, wow redux.
People more worried about property than people killed by cops
"A shame that guy w̶a̶s̶ ̶m̶u̶r̶d̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ died while brushing up against police, just mind the property as you express your anger publicly, it's worth a lot of monies"
"A shame that guy w̶a̶s̶ ̶m̶u̶r̶d̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ died while brushing up against police, just mind the property as you express your anger publicly, it's worth a lot of monies"
My adopted state of Georgia has spun up the NG today ostensibly for the same purpose. We did have a riot in downtown Atlanta this past weekend over the shooting death of a Cop City protestor, so the state govt was already on edge a bit…
A bit more on Cop City for the uninitiated…
Definitely was a coup, Trump egging them on and Pence pressured to call the election for Trump. They wanted to hang Pelosi and Pence.
People died and got severely wounded so don’t fecking try to downplay it.
Spooky. Also a convenient, large, opaque police facility where certain civilians might disappear from.
And it will be a turn key investment for any state that wants it.