Cop in America doing a bad job, again

I believe there may be a large exodus occurring with Officers leaving the job over in the US. There have also been similar issues here in Australia, recruitment can't keep up with those leaving.

Why would you want to do that job over in the US? Dangerous, poorly trained, inadequately equipped, the pay is average, it seems that the majority of the population has some level of distrust to outright hatred, thanks to the actions of a (inexcusable) minority.
The pay and benefits is actually pretty good and an attractive factor in recruitment. You’re obviously not getting former aerospace engineers or doctors, but for everyone else in the middle to lower class spectrum, getting into entry-level law enforcement is an attractive and attainable option if you have an interest. And the majority of those who apply are not in careers making 6 figures or working long dead-end jobs to make ends meet. It can be a long and arduous process to get hired, but the requirements to apply are very basic (20.5 years old, high school diploma). As long as you can pass the rest of the process you’re looking at a rewarding career doing something more exciting than sitting in a cubicle or whatever part-time gigs you were doing before.

but you are correct that hiring isn’t keeping up with the retirements and those leaving the field. Just look at any department website and most of them are offering $5000-25000 signing bonuses to recruits and experienced officers. My own department has not kept up with inflation and cost of living, and we lost around 50 officers in the last 2-3 years. Most were newer officers that were enticed by these higher paying departments offering these incentives and other bonuses that ours doesn’t. City politics and internal department drama also play a role in job dissatisfaction and officers leaving. I honestly don’t think the whole anti-police rhetoric is a factor in recruitment and retention, though it may be used for fear mongering and media posturing.There will always be people that hate cops, but there will always be those that are attracted to the job too.
 
The pay and benefits is actually pretty good and an attractive factor in recruitment. You’re obviously not getting former aerospace engineers or doctors, but for everyone else in the middle to lower class spectrum, getting into entry-level law enforcement is an attractive and attainable option if you have an interest. And the majority of those who apply are not in careers making 6 figures or working long dead-end jobs to make ends meet. It can be a long and arduous process to get hired, but the requirements to apply are very basic (20.5 years old, high school diploma). As long as you can pass the rest of the process you’re looking at a rewarding career doing something more exciting than sitting in a cubicle or whatever part-time gigs you were doing before.

but you are correct that hiring isn’t keeping up with the retirements and those leaving the field. Just look at any department website and most of them are offering $5000-25000 signing bonuses to recruits and experienced officers. My own department has not kept up with inflation and cost of living, and we lost around 50 officers in the last 2-3 years. Most were newer officers that were enticed by these higher paying departments offering these incentives and other bonuses that ours doesn’t. City politics and internal department drama also play a role in job dissatisfaction and officers leaving. I honestly don’t think the whole anti-police rhetoric is a factor in recruitment and retention, though it may be used for fear mongering and media posturing.There will always be people that hate cops, but there will always be those that are attracted to the job too.
This is mind boggling. This is the breakdown of the last 3 cities I have lived in by their state

- Alabama: 30% of total city budget
- Wisconsin: 31% of total city budget
- NC: 28% of total city budget

Where the hell are those millions of dollars going?
 
This is mind boggling. This is the breakdown of the last 3 cities I have lived in by their state

- Alabama: 30% of total city budget
- Wisconsin: 31% of total city budget
- NC: 28% of total city budget

Where the hell are those millions of dollars going?

30% of the city budget on... police?! That seems bafflingly high.
 
This is mind boggling. This is the breakdown of the last 3 cities I have lived in by their state

- Alabama: 30% of total city budget
- Wisconsin: 31% of total city budget
- NC: 28% of total city budget

Where the hell are those millions of dollars going?
policing ain't cheap. A city could always contract its law enforcement services with the Sheriff's Dept to be more cost-efficient.
 
policing ain't cheap. A city could always contract its law enforcement services with the Sheriff's Dept to be more cost-efficient.

It’s still outrageous. In WI our street was in rough shape, as were many residential streets, but the entire public works budget was 9% of the budget. Health and Human Services? 2%.
Lots of new police SUV’s every year though, so at least they had good suspensions when traversing the hundreds of potholes.
 
It’s still outrageous. In WI our street was in rough shape, as were many residential streets, but the entire public works budget was 9% of the budget. Health and Human Services? 2%.
Lots of new police SUV’s every year though, so at least they had good suspensions when traversing the hundreds of potholes.
Well my way in MO the local populace determine the levels of spending on things like police vehicles thru taxes, sometimes you get what you're willing to pay for
 
Well my way in MO the local populace determine the levels of spending on things like police vehicles thru taxes, sometimes you get what you're willing to pay for

Tax revenue was not the problem. We paid double in WI than what we are currently paying in NC and our house here cost quite a bit more.

Anyways, the budget of the city in WI we lived in was developed by the mayor and voted by the city council, The only input the local populace had was to talk to their council people or address the council during community inpu hours. So around your way in MO the citizens determine on how the budget is spent? How do you do that (votes/resolutions/etc.)? I would be interested in knowing as it would be an interesting concept to look into.
 
Tax revenue was not the problem. We paid double in WI than what we are currently paying in NC and our house here cost quite a bit more.

Anyways, the budget of the city in WI we lived in was developed by the mayor and voted by the city council, The only input the local populace had was to talk to their council people or address the council during community inpu hours. So around your way in MO the citizens determine on how the budget is spent? How do you do that (votes/resolutions/etc.)? I would be interested in knowing as it would be an interesting concept to look into.
Some spending issues are voted on by propositions, not all of it or even most of it, in my city, which is a small one, there's an additional tax on tag renewal and car purchases that goes towards a specific thing (can't remember what) - it was voted for by a proposition and lasts for a set period of time, I've seen other propositions like that for specific equipment for schools and the parks dept.

Not sure how widespread this is but it's a common thing in MO, every election there are propositions at city, county and state level for specific funding, some pass and some don't.
 
It’s very different here in it UK in terms of that.

There’s no handcuffing policy and you’d be required to give justification for doing so.

I simply feel the moment you start trying to make certain things mandatory is the moment officers stop thinking for themselves. That said policy can be broken as people often forget. I certainly wouldn’t be handcuffing a frail elderly person or a young child.
It’s been a while… I was in Lothian and Borders down in the Borders (Hawick/Gala etc). Detaining folks no. Arresting we usually did cuff someone unless reasons not too (young, elderly, sick etc).
 
But why is it a policy? Looks unnecessary in so many cases. It sometimes feels there are arrests that even would not provoke "resistance" if the cuffs were not involved (I believe there are examples of some other countries showing that)

Also, when you say it's a policy, does it mean it's just a kind of customary/recommended practice or is it a regulated, mandatory procedure?

(Anyway, thanks for replying to my pretty old post.)
In the US it's common sense given that anyone they arrest could be armed
 
I believe there may be a large exodus occurring with Officers leaving the job over in the US. There have also been similar issues here in Australia, recruitment can't keep up with those leaving.

Why would you want to do that job over in the US? Dangerous, poorly trained, inadequately equipped, the pay is average, it seems that the majority of the population has some level of distrust to outright hatred, thanks to the actions of a (inexcusable) minority.

Here in Indonesia people bribe to become a policeman (the amount of bribe is equal to my 4 year income).
 
They shouldn't have anyway. Besides, we've got a thousand examples of cops getting new jobs in law enforcement basically immediately after getting fired, and on top of that it's a job-seeker's labour market right now.
If only life was a simple as that
 
Sometimes it has to be hard, if you want to make the right decision.
When it comes to making the right decision you put your family first - not every one can afford to be principled when it comes to their job, and irrespective of the circumstances and the pointlessness of this case the law as being broken, as an LEO you don't usually get to choose which ones you enforce or don't enforce if your bosses orders you to
 
Bodycam…



Came here to post this. One of the worst I’ve ever seen. Sickening to watch. Already out-numbered and restrained, obviously terrified out of his mind and/or mentally ill and still attempts to comply with most of their requests. What is wrong with them? Why do they need to use so much more violence than is necessary?!
 
Came here to post this. One of the worst I’ve ever seen. Already out-numbered and restrained and obviously terrified out of his mind and/or mentally ill. What is wrong with them? Why do they need to use so much more violence than is necessary?!
There are bad apples everywhere in all walks of life unfortunately.

Given that they know they have bodycams they obviously think they can get away with it because they're cops or they have a very low IQ
 
There are bad apples everywhere in all walks of life unfortunately.

Given that they know they have bodycams they obviously think they can get away with it because they're cops or they have a very low IQ

This wasn’t one rogue cop though. There was a bunch of them involved. Why on earth didn’t any of them speak up and tell everyone involved to calm the feck down? At no point was this an even slightly dangerous scenario for any of them.
 
Came here to post this. One of the worst I’ve ever seen. Sickening to watch. Already out-numbered and restrained, obviously terrified out of his mind and/or mentally ill and still attempts to comply with most of their requests. What is wrong with them? Why do they need to use so much more violence than is necessary?!

He was just in a car accident so it's feasible that he'd hit his head and was experiencing the negative effects of that, too.
 
This wasn’t one rogue cop though. There was a bunch of them involved. Why on earth didn’t any of them speak up and tell everyone involved to calm the feck down? At no point was this an even slightly dangerous scenario for any of them.
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I don't disagree with you, there's not usually 1 rogue cop, they operate in/as units, in small towns that might be the entire department!

Sometimes you can understand their actions whilst not excusing them, in cases like this there is no way to understand or excuse them
 
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I don't disagree with you, there's not usually 1 rogue cop, they operate in/as units, in small towns that might be the entire department!

Sometimes you can understand their actions whilst not excusing them, in cases like this there is no way to understand or excuse them

We shall see. Still waiting to be told why this was a good shoo......errrrr taze.
 
I don't disagree with you, there's not usually 1 rogue cop, they operate in/as units, in small towns that might be the entire department!

Sometimes you can understand their actions whilst not excusing them, in cases like this there is no way to understand or excuse them

Yeah, a lot of times I see videos in this thread and can see how the cops actions might be justified. It has to be scary as hell to do their job in a country where guns are so easy to get hold of. And scared people will sometimes overreact if they feel threatened. It’s the complete absence of any sort of threat in this video that makes it so hard to understand.
 
Yeah, a lot of times I see videos in this thread and can see how the cops actions might be justified. It has to be scary as hell to do their job in a country where guns are so easy to get hold of. And scared people will sometimes overreact if they feel threatened. It’s the complete absence of any sort of threat in this video that makes it so hard to understand.
I understand it OK, they're power hungry think I can do what I want cops, probably racist and misogynist as well
 
Came here to post this. One of the worst I’ve ever seen. Sickening to watch. Already out-numbered and restrained, obviously terrified out of his mind and/or mentally ill and still attempts to comply with most of their requests. What is wrong with them? Why do they need to use so much more violence than is necessary?!


And this is the full footage:



This is horrific and a huge tragedy in a long line of tragedies

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I think in this, the first cop is alright in his handling of the situation, seems calm, professional while trying to ascertain why someone is running from an accident on a busy highway and is clearly in a mental health/drug induced crisis. It's then the escalation when Keenan runs away, then everything goes south and all the police pile in and panic.
 
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Pretty sure we have an LAPD officer on here, right? Would be interesting to get his opinion but understandable if hesitant to do so.