Cop in America doing a bad job, again

jackal&hyde said:
And by the way, if you go to Japan, I would advice you to be on your best behavior. Mega polite in the initial stages. If you do the "American" thing and start to argue, not good. You want to see police with little time, see Japan or even Germany.
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Duly noted. Japanese and German police act like the Gesta…. Wait a minute!
 
Skizzo said:
In that incident, what did she do that she deserved him acting “too nice” towards her? Or is this one of those blanket statements that she’s a police officer so therefore (insert general statement here)?
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Yep as a general rule, if people can they should treat cops like shit.
 
jackal&hyde said:
Maybe so, I'm not sure what that bigger issue is. But having an officer ready to defend a store is not a problem for me. It was a mistake here and some level of stress too. But if you bend over the counter, it looks bad.
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Defend the store from what? A man potentially shoplifting something worth $5?

jackal&hyde said:
I swear that people that get mega offended at these things never actually lived in the US let alone worked or know people that work in PD.
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"Mega offended", get over yourself :lol:
 
Not more than usual. I'm just glad to be living in a country where a cop drawing his pistol would be national news. Actually, that's not really true. There'd have to be an arming order for the police to be carrying weapons in the first place, but I guess he could run to the squad car and get it if he really wanted to potentially escalate suspected shoplifting.
 
Anyway, here are a few actual Americans commenting on it. Turns out you're not supposed to do what you called a "good job".

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/05/...iSRByCM1xA9sjX5dkeQvkqGSazkuZgD2s2tw4zMjqYfkI

Joe Domanick, associate director of the Center on Media, Crime and Justice at John Jay College, said the Buena Park officer was “way out of policy, even for Orange County.”

“It’s astounding there would be a police officer who would think it’s OK to do it,” said Domanick, author of the book “Blue: The LAPD and the Battle to Redeem American Policing.” “(It’s) entirely opposite of what’s going on in police departments. You pull a gun as a last resort.”

He continued: “It shows the officer has been poorly trained or not trained at all or he’s totally unsuited to be a police officer.”
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Moved To Differently said:
Not sure if this has already been posted



I'm with Mr. Hyde. Sure he's probably no Dr. Jekyll (hehe) but it looks like he's been targeted. Without going into conspiracy negro mode, I think he's aware he doesn't have the support of the powers that be and is happy to put on a show for them. The cop who pressed him first is happy to give him all the rope he needs to hang himself and the supervisor is complicit. In what world would an officer spend that amount of time on a traffic stop and have a supervisor come out to investigate further? He knows the entire time he's being recorded, that's why he puts his camera out like that and looks at the cop as if to say "I know what you're doing, are you going to continue?"

It becomes obvious the way he admits to his speeding charge. Every man is proud of speed, can't be helped.

Whole thing is sus, credit to Hyde for going out like a badass and making sure anybody with sense can see the corruption even if it kills his career. Pour a cup of tea for that man, I'd only be happier if it happened in Boston.

Everyone in the comment section making it a gender issue, like she can't be corrupt because she's female. How do most of these school shooters get a hold of the guns they use? And someone said 'imagine how afraid his wife must be of him', she loses control every time he steps through the front door, I know I would. Legend. The last Brit since Daniel Kaluuya to conquer America.
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Are you serious? He was being a massively entitled asshole who threatened her job pretty much straight away. He was pissed off he was even stopped in the first place because he knows the cops. He most certainly expected preferential treatment because of who he was.
 
Skizzo said:
your point is to treat an entire group of people like shit because you don’t like them.
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Your posting in thread which is just pages and pages of police doing awful things. Did the murder of George Floyd not happen ?

Yeah I don’t think people should like and respect a group who is consistently completely shite.


Skizzo said:
You even generalize this post with a “you types” so you still can’t even have an actual discussion. Disappointing.
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There’s nothing to discuss tbh. I would spend 30 minutes posting examples and data showing how the America police fails at protecting its citizens and it would have impact on our discussion. If you have to ask why some people might not like the police after the last couple of years, then your never going to get it.

The police force is given a stupid amount of tax payer money to harass through violence the poorest Americans, so yes at the minimum people should be rude to this group of people.
 
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Sweet Square said:
Your posting in thread which is just pages and pages of police doing awful things. Did the murder of George Floyd not happen ?

Yeah I don’t think people should like and respect a group who is consistently completely shite.



There’s nothing to discuss tbh. I would spend 30 minutes posting examples and data showing how the America police fails at protecting its citizens and it would have impact on our discussion. If you have to ask why some people might not like the police after the last couple of years, then your never going to get it.

The police force is given a stupid amount of tax payer money to harass through violence the poorest Americans, so yes at the minimum people should be rude to this group of people.
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You’re right, this thread is filled with dozens and dozens of examples of police committing horrific crimes against civilians. And that is almost certainly the tip of the iceberg. Beyond that are the officers who see things and do not speak up. Here’s the thing though, I bet that does not encompass a significant majority, or maybe even a majority of officers.

Being civil does not take much and if we expect others to be civil we must respond in kind. Being civil does not mean trust, or like, or adore, or anything positive, it only means to avoid the negative without cause. Stooping to the level of the large group of asshats by judging an entire group as a monolith will yield no winners, only losers all around.
 
WI_Red said:
You’re right, this thread is filled with dozens and dozens of examples of police committing horrific crimes against civilians. And that is almost certainly the tip of the iceberg. Beyond that are the officers who see things and do not speak up. Here’s the thing though, I bet that does not encompass a significant majority, or maybe even a majority of officers.
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"Say if there are 200 million cops in the world and five percent are racist murders. That's still only 10 million."
 
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Sweet Square said:
"Say if there are 200 million cops in the world and five percent are racist murders. That's still only 10 million."
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And if there are 20 then 1 is a racist murderer, which would still be one too many.

Look while it's always been the case that the police are about social control(They started off as way to control the Irish population by British empire)the last years have been a very clear reminder. We all know what the job is about now and if people still want to join the force then imo at the very least getting treated like dirt should be the bare minimum.
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And in the US police began as a way to capture escaped slaves, so not a great origin story as well. Human's are assholes and in order for society to function there needs to be some sort of organization in place to ensure some sort of order. Is the current iteration working? Not well in many cases, but that doesn't eliminate the basic need for something. So, what is your solution? You want no law enforcement whatsoever as you, apparently, do not view anyone who wants to do the job as a person worthy of even the most basic of human decency. So again, what is your solution?
 
Sweet Square said:
Sorry but my dislike of police means I have to side with the fat stupid man. If they want assault rifes and tanks with tax payers money then they at the very least they should all be treated with contempt and wasting their time is a good thing.

If anything he was too nice towards her.
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Your dislike of the police means you're siding with a Republican congressional candidate who was trying to use his position of influence to get out of a ticket while making multiple threats to end the police woman's career?

Even for you that's wild.
 
WI_Red said:
And in the US police began as a way to capture escaped slaves, so not a great origin story as well. Human's are assholes and in order for society to function there needs to be some sort of organization in place to ensure some sort of order. Is the current iteration working? Not well in many cases, but that doesn't eliminate the basic need for something. So, what is your solution? You want no law enforcement whatsoever as you, apparently, do not view anyone who wants to do the job as a person worthy of even the most basic of human decency. So again, what is your solution?
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The only solution I have any control over is to not become a cop and to the case against to anyone who wants to be a cop. That the only option atm, everything else is just fantasy land.

I don't have actually have that bleak view of people, imo the problem is a economic one. A lot of crime is an outcome of the current economic conditions and the police rather than fixing this, their role is to keep the current conditions in place. In the same way the prison system isn’t about protecting the public or reform but a system to providing free labour.

People can naturalise the issue by saying it’s human nature, etc but well that argument has been used to justify a lot of awful stuff throughout history.


Withnail said:
Your dislike of the police means you're siding with a Republican congressional candidate who was trying to use his position of influence to get out of a ticket while making multiple threats to end the police woman's career?

Even for you that's wild.
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I’m not sliding with him, the guy got done for speeding and openly brand about funding police unions. I even called him fat and stupid. Just that I don’t think him being rude to the cop is an issue.
 
Sweet Square said:
The only solution I have any control over is to not become a cop and to the case against to anyone who wants to be a cop. That the only option atm, everything else is just fantasy land.

I don't have actually have that bleak view of people, imo the problem is a economic one. A lot of crime is an outcome of the current economic conditions and the police rather than fixing this, their role is to keep the current conditions in place. In the same way the prison system isn’t about protecting the public or reform but a system to providing free labour.

People can naturalise the issue by saying it’s human nature, etc but well that argument has been used to justify a lot of awful stuff throughout history.
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We agree on the cause of much of the crime that and the overincarceration (at least in the US) is a mechanism for generating profit for private prisons. Even if your bolded statement is true, there is still a large amount of crime that will be committed. Some people are just selfish assholes who will be selfish assholes regardless of their economic situation.

So what is the solution to that? I'm not asking what you would personally do, I am asking what you see as the solution to the police problem. You think they should all go away, so what replaces them? If your car was broken and you absolutely needed it to get to work would you just throw up your hands and say "Well, I'll never be a mechanic so I guess I can't go to work now."
 
Sweet Square said:
The only solution I have any control over is to not become a cop and to the case against to anyone who wants to be a cop. That the only option atm, everything else is just fantasy land.

I don't have actually have that bleak view of people, imo the problem is a economic one. A lot of crime is an outcome of the current economic conditions and the police rather than fixing this, their role is to keep the current conditions in place. In the same way the prison system isn’t about protecting the public or reform but a system to providing free labour.

People can naturalise the issue by saying it’s human nature, etc but well that argument has been used to justify a lot of awful stuff throughout history.



I’m not sliding with him, the guy got done for speeding and openly brand about funding police unions. I even called him fat and stupid. Just that I don’t think him being rude to the cop is an issue.
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If he was just rude I don't think anyone would give a shit. It's the attempted abuse of power that's at issue.
 
calodo2003 said:
It’s not as though I’m a random poster on this thread. A quick rotate of the smart phone gives up my location.
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Did not that was a thing, mindblown
jackal&hyde said:
Maybe so, I'm not sure what that bigger issue is. But having an officer ready to defend a store is not a problem for me. It was a mistake here and some level of stress too. But if you bend over the counter, it looks bad.
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It was stupid as hell. He completely misjudged what happened, escalated the situation and put everyone in that shop at risk.

You mentioned that It’s in the US and people should be mindful of that, but that’s exactly why he shouldn’t have done what he did. All he had to do was ask the clerk for clarification and it would have been resolved in a second, instead he drew his gun “put it back” like he’s fecking John Wayne. Awful policing on every level.


Withnail said:
If he was just rude I don't think anyone would give a shit. It's the attempted abuse of power that's at issue.
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Aye, speeds while texting and then tried to abuse his power to get out of it.
 
Withnail said:
If he was just rude I don't think anyone would give a shit. It's the attempted abuse of power that's at issue.
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Yeah it was against a cop so who cares. It's one arsehole attempting to get one over on another arsehole. Tbh to the republican guy is more self aware of the role of the police than the woman is. He understand that he is a rich white dude who pays to the police union, the cops are his lapdog.
 
calodo2003 said:
It’s not as though I’m a random poster on this thread. A quick rotate of the smart phone gives up my location.

That said, we have a perfect game alert. Rasmussen is through 8.3 innings as clean as can be.
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I wonder how many people saw this, turned on auto rotate and flipped it round to see. I did.
 
Sweet Square said:
Yeah it was against a cop so who cares. It's one arsehole attempting to get one over on another arsehole. Tbh to the republican guy is more self aware of the role of the police than the woman is. He understand that he is a rich white dude who pays to the police union, the cops are his lapdog.
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Well that's just a ridiculously jaded point of view. Probably best to leave it there.
 
calodo2003 said:
No words…

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What's just as crazy as he may get to keep his job if he fights it:
"In the cases DeShaney vs. Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock vs. Gonzales, the supreme court has ruled that police agencies are not obligated to provide protection of citizens. In other words, police are well within their rights to pick and choose when to intervene to protect the lives and property of others — even when a threat is apparent."
 
MarylandMUFan said:
What's just as crazy as he may get to keep his job if he fights it:
"In the cases DeShaney vs. Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock vs. Gonzales, the supreme court has ruled that police agencies are not obligated to provide protection of citizens. In other words, police are well within their rights to pick and choose when to intervene to protect the lives and property of others — even when a threat is apparent."
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So protection is a service of choice? Then can Americans choose not to be protected by police gangs and therefore not have to pay? Or will the judges be round to break your kneecaps?
 
MarylandMUFan said:
What's just as crazy as he may get to keep his job if he fights it:
"In the cases DeShaney vs. Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock vs. Gonzales, the supreme court has ruled that police agencies are not obligated to provide protection of citizens. In other words, police are well within their rights to pick and choose when to intervene to protect the lives and property of others — even when a threat is apparent."
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Are there any other jobs where picking and choosing when to do the job doesn't get you fired?
 
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