Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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America is broken beyond repair.
Christ almighty.
Why can’t existing whistleblower protection laws help him in this case?
Why can’t existing whistleblower protection laws help him in this case?
Spotlights do some good work in this country…
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Ever so often I see a story that gives me a renewed sense of “what the actual hell is wrong with America.”
Can't even say he was reaching for anything in that one. Hands clearly up and not moving.
He does have what looks to be a gun in his left hand.
Agreed, and he was aiming it at the cop in the jetpack so justified shooting in my book.
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He's not unarmed and they'll claim he wasn't obeying instructions. That, sadly, is probably enough to be "justified" in shooting him. Trigger happy twats are the backbone of the service and need to be protected.
" I can't breathe. I have my ID right here. My name is Elijah McClain. That's my house. I was just going home. I'm an introvert. I'm just different. That's all. I'm so sorry. I have no gun. I don't do that stuff. I don't do any fighting. Why are you attacking me? I don't even kill flies! I don't eat meat! But I don't judge people, I don't judge people who do eat meat. Forgive me. All I was trying to do was become better. I will do it. I will do anything. Sacrifice my identity, I'll do it. You all are phenomenal. You are beautiful and I love you. Try to forgive me. I'm a mood Gemini. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Ow, that really hurt! You are all very strong. Teamwork makes the dream work. Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to do that. I just can't breathe correctly. "
“He’s sitting there twitching…”
Psychopaths.
It is a bit worrying how long this post is
Thread?
Yeah my bad, thread was supposed to be there
It’s definitely not a flattering look for cops here, that’s for sure.
203 pages of bad apples. It is a big country though, so you’re going to find lots of shitty cops. I’m sure the good ones are absolutely furious.
There’s certainly plenty of painting everyone with the same brush that happens with this discussion. I don’t think anyone disagrees that things could be done better in certain areas, and definitely there’s been incidents highlighted that have been heinous in nature.
That being said, let’s say each post on those 203 pages was each about an officer doing something we can all agree is unjustified. That’s coming about to approximately 1% of the officers in the US. That’s not even taking into account the number of actual contacts made.
But it's not just the unjustified violence, is it? The worst part is that every time something awful is done by a police officer the officer's department tries to cover it up and silence whistleblowers. That means it's no longer just one bad apple but a whole department except the whistleblower(s).
Not at all. I agree that things always need looking at from top to bottom. The issue that’s creeping in now is that things are being so overly scrutinized in every instance that departments are erring so far on the side of caution that officers aren’t able to do the job safely in fear of not being backed when they’re justified in their actions. There’s still an overwhelming majority of officers and departments that get swept up in the generalizations that are unfairly thrown around. Shouting ACAB and crying to defund doesn’t look to solve the issues at hand.
Even if it was .1%, I think there would still be benefits of constantly evaluating and training and trying to improve. Respect should be shown both ways, but I don’t expect someone to respect an officer just because of a uniform, just like they shouldn’t expect to be treated with a lack of respect due to the Circumstances of the contact. At the end of the day, we’re all people and should be looked at and treated as such.
How does this story, posted earlier, fit into the a few rotten apples/ people can't even do their jobs safely anymore, because of lack of backing, theory?
That was not at all what I was trying to say. To me your posts read like you were trying to say that with so many police officers around, some bad one are bound to slip through the cracks or do something wrong. However in the case I've linked we see the police union voting 35-1 to expell someone for "doing the right thing" and other authorities trying to lock him up even. All in contrast to a slap on the wrist for the people he exposed. That screams systematic issue to me.
I think an issue there is that each city, state, county etc can all have their own departments. Different ways of handling things across different states, never mind the country. I believe all officers should speak out on misconduct, but I also believe departments should back their officers when things are justified and not back down in the face of public outcry in situations they don’t have all the details to. (Not saying that’s what happened in this above situation btw). Those two things don’t have to be mutually exclusive. In this case, yeah I think it was BS.
One thing to note is that police departments are one of the most toxic places to work. I don’t know anything about Joliet, Illinois but it sounds like a clusterfeck of a department from the article posted.
60 Minutes did a great piece on police reform in Austin, Texas (hopefully this is just the beginning):
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-reform-austin-texas-60-minutes-2021-11-21/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-reform-austin-texas-60-minutes-2021-11-21/
Just a non-profit, but
Just a non-profit, but
I get the whole “keep police accountable” angle, so feel free to keep recording. But as a general rule, how many times do people stand by and watch incidents unfold and do nothing but record or watch and let someone lay around seriously injured, and I’m not even talking specifically about law enforcement. This isn’t asking people to not record enforcement contacts or anything like that, it’s directly in response to incidents where people needed medical assistance and rather than call 911, people recorded and did nothing to help.
Just a non-profit, but
Er, yeah. Interfere with police and you'll end up arrested or shot. No thanks. Obviously the examples Skizzo highlighted would be common sense (i.e. helping someone in obvious distress) but you can understand why Twitter would ridicule this message.
You are correct regarding the more extreme injuries, accidents, etc., there’s a perverse voyeurism that exists in the public, but there’s a part of this that smacks of not wanting police to be recorded for the sheer fact that more police misconduct is being illuminated. It benefits the police on both fronts & the cynic in me sees it more for the wanting of misdeeds to be less broadcasted.
I get that skeptical part, especially since there’s plenty of videos that have made the rounds with officers being aggressive towards people filming. The examples used in the original post were all highlighted with examples of extreme injuries, and not in relation to a traffic stop. But either way I think we can agree that filming is fine for documentation and transparency…but when someone needs help, put the fecking phone down and call.
That doesn’t sound like something Twitter would do.
Agree, but we both know that we will never get to that nirvana. Voyeurs gonna voyeur.
Everyone should carry a burner phone for 911 calls like that and then you wouldn’t even lose any street cred with your Twitter friends if they found out you called the cops.
There are a lot of people in the US who will (perfectly reasonably) believe that calling the cops considerably increases their chances of being shot and killed, regardless of the circumstances.
I mean yeah, sure. People could still stop recording and help someone and not call 911 too. Someone got knocked out? Better record them seizing up and post it for those views.
If someone doesn’t feel comfortable calling 911, then I can’t be there to help. But that doesn’t mean someone there couldn’t help instead of just recording something.
Again, this is all more generalized than specifically recording something on an enforcement stop.
edit: I get that my take was probably veering away from the original take in regards to recording police involved incidents. I guess I find it more of a general issue with society today. I’m all for people recording police activity etc.