No, I'll stay here, thank you. Feel free to use PMs if you want private chats.
You're also just lying now. You asked me a direct question.
Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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No, I'll stay here, thank you. Feel free to use PMs if you want private chats.
You're also just lying now. You asked me a direct question.
Nah I'm good, thanks
What, you're pretending that you didn't ask me personally why I found your question weird? It's right there in #7887, like a body cam.
It isn't, and the onus and burden of proof is on you, when you make a claim like that. The poster to whom you were replying can easily reply by suggesting that the LAPD is the antithesis of policing. Where do you from there?
You can't present an opinion as a basis for an argument.
My original question wasn't to you
Sounds like they were dragged kicking and screaming, but seem to want credit for it now?
I mean, I suppose compared the the rural police you see all the time online I guess having literate officers is leading the standards.
Sure. You asked someone else on a public forum. Then I replied to you, you asked me a question, and when you got a reply you didn't like you decided to disengage.
If you only wanted to talk to @Eboue you would have told to me kick rocks from the start, and you would have told @Drainy the same thing. You didn't, because it's not true. You replied to both of us, even though the original question was addressed to neither of us.
I wasn't intending to make an argument. It is my opinion based on knowledge from the job and more specifically working with lapd and being at the mercy of their policies and procedures, which tend to have a ripple effect on departments throughout the region. If people think the lapd is the antithesis of policing that's fine, it's their opinion. I know there's a lot of dirt that goes on still to this day, same as any department that size. I was simply outlining how the consent decree has forced lapd to grow and change into one of the more progressive departments in the nation, while many others see continuing instances of civil rights violations, corruption, blatant racism, excessive/unjustified force with little to no accountability.
Fair enough. I think others might see it a little differently, and as you pointed out, the examples of corruption are a repost to the notion that the LAPD are progressive, in the eyes of many.
But it it's interesting reading your perspective (and others') on this topic.
The plain truth is that there's no real way of telling who's the best and who's the worst in the USA concerning policing. The FBI is supposed to be tracking all violent acts from cops, but they have refused to do it.
READ HERE:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/17/fbi-police-use-of-force-data-records
I lived in LA (Santa Monica & Hollywood) for a decade throughout the 1990's
It was bad, real bad.
After moving from LA to the Balt/DC area, I worked as a journalist, often covering the culture and trends of police misconduct.
Firstly, consent decrees outlined by the DOJ are suggestive and have no prosecutorial power, unless shit is so bad that the DOJ investigates and passes of the case to the FBI to press charges. One example is the Baltimore Gun Trace Task Force prosecutions that have now led to 30+ cops being sentenced to prison for up to 25 years. You'd think, 'Wow, that's quite an accomplishment' but the ugly truth is that the States Attorney's Office (SAO) Marilyn Mosby had announced that they needed the FBI to stop prosecuting Baltimore cops because there were likely more than 100 more cops that could go down and it would certainly bankrupt the city with lawsuits.
To answer your question of 'Now what?'
There needs to be more pressure on the FBI to both investigate all incidents, and be transparent.
Supposedly Obama didn't want his 'personal bias' to be a factor in his admin, so he put Joe Biden in charge of responding to the uprisings 10 years ago. The 21st Century Task Force On Policing was a joke that had no plan of implementing 'suggested changes' of police reform.
Granted times nowadays of economic disparity fueled by the pandemic hasn't made it any easier for cops in America, the job can't be easy by any stretch of the imagination. I personally don't see anyone at the federal level that will initiate effective change. Yet, on the local levels some districts are making an effort.
If I were to vote on the worst, I'd put my money on Baltimore.
Seeing as it was over 20 years ago, most of that generation that were kicking and screaming are long gone. So I doubt any officers there now "want credit" for how progressive their department is compared to yesteryear. It's Los Angeles we're talking about, so literacy isn't all that high in standard.
Remember that video. Disgusting thugs.
Baltimore has seen recent convictions of cops who planted drugs and guns on persons but it's ridiculous the government stopped because of money.
One could look back to the pre-80s NYC and see all the corruption in federal and state agencies, often intertwined with mafia families. There were cops convicted of being mob hitmen, ffs.
Course we also had the Boston FBI permitting Whitey Bulgar to carry on while being an informant. Wasn't there a racially motivated policy in the LA force in the 70s to 90s targeting certain neighborhoods?
Well, the Baltimore situation was way worse. A Lt Det. Suiter was more than likely executed by fellow officers the day before he was supposed to testify in the GTTF trials that have led to dozens of cops going to prison, anyhow.
Having lived in LA, I'd be more inclined to think that the motivation for the widespread corruption was more greed based. While I lived there during the Rampart stuff, just on the outskirts of that district, cops were collecting money from drug dealers right next door to me. Plus one group of cops were actually robbing banks.
I hate when they do performative copaganda like this.
Or they'll have the videos of the 'cool cop playing bball in the hood', only to find out he's been planting drugs for the last 10 years.
Thoughts on this article? How to solve this?
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-policing-minneapolis/
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-policing-minneapolis/
I only skimmed through it but it’s a fair depiction of policing today. I don’t know if anything needs “solving” when this is pretty much what people in these cities wanted.
I wonder if it’s time to start a thread “Cops in Australia doing a bad job, again”?
There is no context where beating people on the ground is ok.
cops do stupid shit and it always comes out and makes big headlines but they have to deal with this type of shit on a daily basis ......
‘Trendsetter’ might be a more appropriate term. The LAPD are only one generation removed from atrocities being committed by their rank & file.
It is a bit disconcerting to think of the LAPD as a leader simply due to recent, forced changes to its institutional machinery, but that’s where we might be.
I knew I was going to get a reply like this. No 9 second clip is going to show an entire story without an accompanies link to the related news article.
I’m not exactly going “well what happened before the video” like many do but there is absolutely no context to that video.
The end of that video shows a cop smashing something, I think the but of his gun, into the head of a person on the ground. Another cop had just left that person so we can assume they were not holding a grenade of nuclear bomb detonator. Can you think of a single reason anyone should be smashed in the face with a gun but if they are on the ground? This is not me going "the cops are pigs and are always wrong", this is me seeing something indefensible and saying the indefensible can not be made right by context.
Is this Aussie cop horseshit a part of the vaccine mandate unrest?
This reminds me of the ‘light ‘em up’ brilliance of the American cops who expended rounds of non-lethal ammo into a group of people sitting on their porch during the unrest last summer. Absolutely no justification for either.
This reminds me of the ‘light ‘em up’ brilliance of the American cops who expended rounds of non-lethal ammo into a group of people sitting on their porch during the unrest last summer. Absolutely no justification for either.
With the craziness of the last couple of years it's easy to forget the absolute ocean of footage of American police brutality from the protests. And not "just" regular people, but even clearly marked live media. That's how many fecks were given.
The president might have changed, but the militarized police hasn't.
Unfortunately, the only way to implement change on any institution especially one as stubborn as a police department is by forcing it.
Over the past week, I was away visiting my daughter...
Was there a discussion a few pages back about how the US congress gave up on the bill that would have included creating a database on law enforcement misbehavior?
I just caught a segment last night on CNN that said Sen Booker 'The chasm between interested parties is too big'
Since before BLM (2015) groups have been calling for a federal list for accountability.
The 5 seconds that CNN covered this topic, they briefly mentioned that it's cop unions that were the main opposition that blocked it from happening.
Sorry if this has been covered already.
Was there a discussion a few pages back about how the US congress gave up on the bill that would have included creating a database on law enforcement misbehavior?
I just caught a segment last night on CNN that said Sen Booker 'The chasm between interested parties is too big'
Since before BLM (2015) groups have been calling for a federal list for accountability.
The 5 seconds that CNN covered this topic, they briefly mentioned that it's cop unions that were the main opposition that blocked it from happening.
Sorry if this has been covered already.
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WASHINGTON—A top Democratic negotiator on Wednesday called off talks aimed at overhauling police tactics and accountability, saying lawmakers were unable to reach a compromise in the wake of nationwide protests sparked by the killings of Black Americans by law-enforcement officers. Sen. Cory Booker (D., N.J.) said he called Sen. Tim Scott (R., S.C.) to tell him the Democrats were done negotiating after Mr. Scott didn’t accept their final offer. “The goal from the very beginning was to get meaningful reforms that would end the policing problems we’ve had in this nation for generations,” Mr. Booker said in an interview. “But in the end we couldn’t do it, if you just take some of those issues of transparency, professional standards and accountability, we couldn’t get there.”
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Having covered the Obama/Biden admin 21st Century Task Force On Policing in Washington DC as a journalist and segment producer for a radio station in DC...
Here's my assessment on the White House official statement as this recent effort collapsed; Joe Biden gives more consideration to the power of the law enforcement lobbyists than most reports have reflected upon after this feeble effort failed.
In this press release
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...dent-joe-biden-on-police-reform-negotiations/
The Biden admin expresses no real hopes that congress will ever pass legislation that will prevent corrupt and/or cops that murder accountable. The best they can hope for is that the DOJ civil rights division will investigate and offer suggestions to cities that have troubles with rouge departments. It would have been slightly more promising had the statement from the White House included something about the DOJ criminal division being more aggressive, but Biden is a centrist (right-leaning) person when it comes to holding cops accountable.
Apparently congress and the White House don't seem to care that in recent years protests have grown increasingly violent because almost nothing has been done to prevent institutional endorsed fascist law enforcement in America.
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Having covered the Obama/Biden admin 21st Century Task Force On Policing in Washington DC as a journalist and segment producer for a radio station in DC...
Here's my assessment on the White House official statement as this recent effort collapsed; Joe Biden gives more consideration to the power of the law enforcement lobbyists than most reports have reflected upon after this feeble effort failed.
In this press release
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...dent-joe-biden-on-police-reform-negotiations/
The Biden admin expresses no real hopes that congress will ever pass legislation that will prevent corrupt and/or cops that murder accountable. The best they can hope for is that the DOJ civil rights division will investigate and offer suggestions to cities that have troubles with rouge departments. It would have been slightly more promising had the statement from the White House included something about the DOJ criminal division being more aggressive, but Biden is a centrist (right-leaning) person when it comes to holding cops accountable.
Apparently congress and the White House don't seem to care that in recent years protests have grown increasingly violent because almost nothing has been done to prevent institutional endorsed fascist law enforcement in America.
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No doubt, but the LAPD have quite a ways to go before they could be considered the crown jewel, etc. of policing. If their changes create a 30 year time span into the future where there are no atrocities, then they could be considered the gold standard; until then, they simply cannot be.
They could be a leader in recent enacted changes, but that's about it.
stop committing crimes and doing stupid shit when the police arrive and bad shit won't happen to you
Forget something?
is this supposed to be sarcastic?
a bit of yes and a bit of no.....
i just find too much irony in people bitching about the cops being bad when 90% of the cops are genuinely good people and do a great job but nothing is said about the criminals and what some cops have to put up with