Cop in America doing a bad job, again



Think about how many families he alone has destroyed? It's disgusting.

I say this all the time, but things like this is far more disruptive (imo) than cops who outright kill people.
There's many 100s/1000s of cops like this guy who steal, lie, cheat, assault and abuse their power over people all the time, and the amount of people that level of destruction affects is countless, because they don't get caught until after they've ruined the lives of many (and there'll be some that don't get caught at all)
 
Just what I was thinking... and even considering their charges, how much anguish has he inflicted on them in the short run and the long run?

Absolute scum.
It should have been the total years they served x 100
The video @villain linked said one of his victims lost custody of his daughter due to the planted drugs. I can't even imagine......

And thanks to qualified immunity this asshat can't be sued and will likely keep his pension. Every asset of his should be confiscated, sold, and distributed to his victims and the pension fund should pay out as well. Instead these people will be compensated from tax dollars.
Agreed on all fronts. feck that guy.
 
Think about how many families he alone has destroyed? It's disgusting.

I say this all the time, but things like this is far more disruptive (imo) than cops who outright kill people.
There's many 100s/1000s of cops like this guy who steal, lie, cheat, assault and abuse their power over people all the time, and the amount of people that level of destruction affects is countless, because they don't get caught until after they've ruined the lives of many (and there'll be some that don't get caught at all)

They're just the few bad apples that the Piggy sympathisers like to bleat on about, don't you know.
 
Never understood things like this. It's a spark like this that could start a riot. So why make a situation worse, unless you want chaos?

Nailed it.

Also, to quote a book title, "The cruelty is the point".
 

Police have released their bodycam footage, and surprisingly, it appears to be above board. It's body camera footage from two of the officers (the footage from the cop throwing the baggie is in the comments) and they overlap. You see the baggie being found on one of the passengers, and handed off (along with other belongings) to an officer who then (in video number 2) hands it over to the officer who threw it into the car. Still unsure why he needed to put the baggie in the car, though, but he acknowledges that he threw it in there and gives his reasoning (it's empty and he didn't want to hang onto it.)
 
Police have released their bodycam footage, and surprisingly, it appears to be above board. It's body camera footage from two of the officers (the footage from the cop throwing the baggie is in the comments) and they overlap. You see the baggie being found on one of the passengers, and handed off (along with other belongings) to an officer who then (in video number 2) hands it over to the officer who threw it into the car. Still unsure why he needed to put the baggie in the car, though, but he acknowledges that he threw it in there and gives his reasoning (it's empty and he didn't want to hang onto it.)
I suppose that’s good — that he didn’t plant anything. I know it happens anyway but it’s a bitter taste to watch it nonetheless.
 
Police have released their bodycam footage, and surprisingly, it appears to be above board. It's body camera footage from two of the officers (the footage from the cop throwing the baggie is in the comments) and they overlap. You see the baggie being found on one of the passengers, and handed off (along with other belongings) to an officer who then (in video number 2) hands it over to the officer who threw it into the car. Still unsure why he needed to put the baggie in the car, though, but he acknowledges that he threw it in there and gives his reasoning (it's empty and he didn't want to hang onto it.)
So a post that has almost 200k likes on twitter is actually misleading. Social media, yo.
 
Perhaps, but best to remember Redcafe is social media as well. Reddit too, if you use that.
I very much doubt that any post on the Caf is getting 200k individual views, let alone 200k interactions, in the space of 24 hours. But I wouldn't lump a message board into the same social media bracket as facebook/twitter etc anyway, as they are way more niche. Reddit is more of a halfway house.
 
I very much doubt that any post on the Caf is getting 200k individual views, let alone 200k interactions, in the space of 24 hours. But I wouldn't lump a message board into the same social media bracket as facebook/twitter etc anyway, as they are way more niche. Reddit is more of a halfway house.
I don't know. Personally I have probably viewed Plech's book of Kopite post about 100K times.
 
So a post that has almost 200k likes on twitter is actually misleading. Social media, yo.
Social media really is incredible sometimes. I thought that was going to be a juicy video :lol: and then I watch five secs and my literal first thought was “wait that’s an empty bag”. But barely anyone in the comments section seems to even acknowledge it.
 
Planting evidence, i think?

except, according to a later post above that is not what happened

Police have released their bodycam footage, and surprisingly, it appears to be above board. It's body camera footage from two of the officers (the footage from the cop throwing the baggie is in the comments) and they overlap. You see the baggie being found on one of the passengers, and handed off (along with other belongings) to an officer who then (in video number 2) hands it over to the officer who threw it into the car. Still unsure why he needed to put the baggie in the car, though, but he acknowledges that he threw it in there and gives his reasoning (it's empty and he didn't want to hang onto it.)


Shit like this (blowing up false stores) hurts the larger goal of stopping this from ever happen again.
 
except, according to a later post above that is not what happened




Shit like this (blowing up false stores) hurts the larger goal of stopping this from ever happen again.
Ta, missed that second post bud. Agreed with the bolded bit. There's enough legit stuff to criticise them for, without the fake news.
 
Ta, missed that second post bud. Agreed with the bolded bit. There's enough legit stuff to criticise them for, without the fake news.

No worries, the video got me worked up too, especially after the story of the Florida cop higher up. That one was nauseating. Need to constantly remind myself to stop and research before running rage.exe
 
No worries, the video got me worked up too, especially after the story of the Florida cop higher up. That one was nauseating. Need to constantly remind myself to stop and research before running rage.exe
Very true :lol:

I was browsing while taking a break from work and obviously just skimmed through the stories, especially the one about the cop who did get 12 years for planting evidence. But yeah, so much false information that's spread from all directions these days.
 
Shit like this (blowing up false stores) hurts the larger goal of stopping this from ever happen again.

Personally I disagree with this line of reasoning, not just on this topic but any time a false accusation occurs. I don't think takes away from the integrity of the issue at hand.
You can't expect 100% perfection on any cause, there's gonna be mistakes made, bad actors, false information etc.
We're humans at the end of the day, we gotta be given some grace to be imperfect.
 
Personally I disagree with this line of reasoning, not just on this topic but any time a false accusation occurs. I don't think takes away from the integrity of the issue at hand.
You can't expect 100% perfection on any cause, there's gonna be mistakes made, bad actors, false information etc.
We're humans at the end of the day, we gotta be given some grace to be imperfect.

Would you extend that same line of thinking to officers?

I am not being flippant, because if we are going to hold them to a high standard of making no mistake sin split second decisions (and we should when it comes to force!) then we can as a society take a few minutes to research something before amplifying a false narrative in social media. Or, if the corrective information comes out later, we need to use just as much energy to amplify the truth instead of going "oops". Truth matters because it is the truth, and not because it is convenient.
 
Would you extend that same line of thinking to officers?

I am not being flippant, because if we are going to hold them to a high standard of making no mistake sin split second decisions (and we should when it comes to force!) then we can as a society take a few minutes to research something before amplifying a false narrative in social media. Or, if the corrective information comes out later, we need to use just as much energy to amplify the truth instead of going "oops". Truth matters because it is the truth, and not because it is convenient.

Not in the same way no, officers go through extensive training and swore an oath to protect and uphold the highest standards of the law to the best of their ability, they made that choice. Also the mistakes an officer makes can have an impact on someone's life & potentially impact family members & others too, as we've seen with that cop from Florida on the previous page.
That's simply not comparable to a regular person thinking a police officer threw some weed in the back seat of his car and jumping to conclusions as a result. I don't see how that guy's assumption somehow makes it harder to stop the larger goal of stopping police brutality and instances of deception. Also if we really want to dive into this rabbit hole, I'd assume that the whole reason that this guy was filming in the first place, was because of the amount of instances we've seen where police officers abuse their powers, or people have ended up dead through their interactions at a traffic stop. That casusation cannot be ignored, because if he wasn't filming, he probably wouldn't have even seen the guy throw the rubbish in his car.
You can't compare the actions of every day people to professionals imo, there's a reason they are in that place in the first place - and that applies to pretty much any profession due to the gap in knowledge/skill/experience etc.

What I did like was the response from the police department, obviously they wanted to make it clear that they didn't do anything wrong on their part and were transparent and provided evidence to back that up too. That should be the expectation going forward, too many times we don't get clarification or transparency anywhere near this level.

Yes I understand it's a highly charged job, they are expected to make split second decisions and they are humans so yes they will make mistakes. The problem is that mistakes they make can mean the end of someone's life, whether literally or due to jail time, beyond that can lead to other effects such as losing job/trauma/criminal records etc.
So while it's impossible to expect perfection, we should expect accountability and proper sentencing when mistakes happen.
So yeah, I fail to see how this guys incorrect assumption makes it harder to achieve that.
 
Not in the same way no, officers go through extensive training and swore an oath to protect and uphold the highest standards of the law to the best of their ability, they made that choice. Also the mistakes an officer makes can have an impact on someone's life & potentially impact family members & others too, as we've seen with that cop from Florida on the previous page.
That's simply not comparable to a regular person thinking a police officer threw some weed in the back seat of his car and jumping to conclusions as a result. I don't see how that guy's assumption somehow makes it harder to stop the larger goal of stopping police brutality and instances of deception. Also if we really want to dive into this rabbit hole, I'd assume that the whole reason that this guy was filming in the first place, was because of the amount of instances we've seen where police officers abuse their powers, or people have ended up dead through their interactions at a traffic stop. That casusation cannot be ignored, because if he wasn't filming, he probably wouldn't have even seen the guy throw the rubbish in his car.
You can't compare the actions of every day people to professionals imo, there's a reason they are in that place in the first place - and that applies to pretty much any profession due to the gap in knowledge/skill/experience etc.

What I did like was the response from the police department, obviously they wanted to make it clear that they didn't do anything wrong on their part and were transparent and provided evidence to back that up too. That should be the expectation going forward, too many times we don't get clarification or transparency anywhere near this level.

Yes I understand it's a highly charged job, they are expected to make split second decisions and they are humans so yes they will make mistakes. The problem is that mistakes they make can mean the end of someone's life, whether literally or due to jail time, beyond that can lead to other effects such as losing job/trauma/criminal records etc.
So while it's impossible to expect perfection, we should expect accountability and proper sentencing when mistakes happen.
So yeah, I fail to see how this guys incorrect assumption makes it harder to achieve that.


I'm not asking everyday people to behave the same way as trained police officers. I am asking everyday people to act like responsible adults. Amplifying false narratives can have bad consequences on the recipients of the lie. What if (not sure if it has) that officers name and contact info was leaked. What if his family was then harassed? What it there were calls for him to be fired? We often see the "other side" demonize victims with false narratives and we are rightly outraged by it. Remember the "drug using wife beater" narrative the Fox crew tried pinning on George Floyd? Those stories were amplified by the right wing nutjobs and crept into the mainstream where they had to be continually beat down. A situation like the one we are discussing can work as the flip side of this. If a false narrative of "cop plants drugs!!" becomes a lead story and then is shown to be false, well now it becomes a straw man to be dragged out each time another similar story comes out. In order to dig out the corruption in law enforcement there needs to be a constant vigilance for these actions, and in my view the muddling of the waters by "oopsies" will serve no good.
 
I'm not asking everyday people to behave the same way as trained police officers. I am asking everyday people to act like responsible adults. Amplifying false narratives can have bad consequences on the recipients of the lie. What if (not sure if it has) that officers name and contact info was leaked. What if his family was then harassed? What it there were calls for him to be fired? We often see the "other side" demonize victims with false narratives and we are rightly outraged by it. Remember the "drug using wife beater" narrative the Fox crew tried pinning on George Floyd? Those stories were amplified by the right wing nutjobs and crept into the mainstream where they had to be continually beat down. A situation like the one we are discussing can work as the flip side of this. If a false narrative of "cop plants drugs!!" becomes a lead story and then is shown to be false, well now it becomes a straw man to be dragged out each time another similar story comes out. In order to dig out the corruption in law enforcement there needs to be a constant vigilance for these actions, and in my view the muddling of the waters by "oopsies" will serve no good.

If anyone is using a singular incident where 1 person assumed a police officer threw some drugs in the back seat of his car, to argue against the decades where police brutality has occurred in America alone. Then i'd suggest that, that person isn't interested in having a rational debate in the first place. It's the "I have a black friend" of arguments.
This issue is bigger than singular incidents, it's systemic.
 
If anyone is using a singular incident where 1 person assumed a police officer threw some drugs in the back seat of his car, to argue against the decades where police brutality has occurred in America alone. Then i'd suggest that, that person isn't interested in having a rational debate in the first place. It's the "I have a black friend" of arguments.
This issue is bigger than singular incidents, it's systemic.

Absolutely!

I am not talking about good faith actors here, I am talking about those whose whole MO is throwing shit into the pool and claiming the pool can't be used because there is shit in it.

Also, this is not just about this one example, I am thinking more generally about the need to be careful about what we amplify.
 
Absolutely!

I am not talking about good faith actors here, I am talking about those whose whole MO is throwing shit into the pool and claiming the pool can't be used because there is shit in it.

Also, this is not just about this one example, I am thinking more generally about the need to be careful about what we amplify.

I can agree with being careful about what we amplify for sure, I think that goes without saying. I don't think the guy in this incident was a bad faith actor, but the point still remains for sure.