Cop in America doing a bad job, again

calodo2003 said:
Isn’t this more of a legal system flaw than a policing flaw? Seems like the court system / lawyers are to blame here.
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The whole system stinks sometimes and cops often play a heavy role in wrongful convictions but yeah DAs are the fecking worst when it comes to this. I think I've only ever heard of one changing their opinion on the original conviction in the face of overwhelming evidence they were wrong.

Adisa said:
Didn't know where to put it.
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I think there's a death penalty thread somewhere.
 
Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
The whole system stinks sometimes and cops often play a heavy role in wrongful convictions but yeah DAs are the fecking worst when it comes to this. I think I've only ever heard of one changing their opinion on the original conviction in the face of overwhelming evidence they were wrong.



I think there's a death penalty thread somewhere.
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The whole system itself is flawed, which contains the police & the legal system. The narcissistic nature of DAs is very much at issue.

I’ve never had much of a moral objection towards the death penalty, but it would be much more precise & fair (for lack of a better word) going forward now that DNA evidence use is far more prevalent. Commute the death penalty sentences for everyone who currently resides on it. Reset it.

Or get rid of it totally. Wouldn’t be arsed in the slightest if it totally went away.
 
My god. Watch this all the way through, the revelations in the last two minutes are even more horrifying than discussed in the lead in to the video...

 
George Owen said:
Holy feck...
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From the deliberate misrepresentation in multiple police reports to the dragging to the racism to the manufactured outrage as to the reporting of the video, the police ain’t covering themselves with much glory here.

I’ve defended individual police actions in this thread, but this clip speaks to the larger, systemic issues found within the institution of policing.
 
RedTiger said:
Which is why I'm scared to visit :(
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We talk a lot of shit about this country, and much of it is deserved, but it is such a beautiful place. The Grand Canyon, Yosemite, Yellowstone, The Redwood Forest, etc. are breathtaking and worth the visit. Also, the majority (although, sadly, not a huge majority) of people here are good and friendly people. I wish I could guarantee you have nothing to worry about, but the fact I can't makes me sad.
 
WI_Red said:
We talk a lot of shit about this country, and much of it is deserved, but it is such a beautiful place. The Grand Canyon, Yosemite, Yellowstone, The Redwood Forest, etc. are breathtaking and worth the visit. Also, the majority (although, sadly, not a huge majority) of people here are good and friendly people. I wish I could guarantee you have nothing to worry about, but the fact I can't makes me sad.
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Better hurry, foreigners. We will kill off at least three of those silly places soon enough. There’s oil / gold / minerals / quality views / inflated property value in them hills!
 
calodo2003 said:
Better hurry, foreigners. We will kill off at least three of those silly places soon enough. There’s oil / gold / minerals / quality views / inflated property value in them hills!
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Yeah, no, I'm good thanks, like @RedTiger, I don't think it's safe for people like me
 
Peter van der Gea said:
Yeah, no, I'm good thanks, like @RedTiger, I don't think it's safe for people like me
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On reflection I am changing my opinion. It is no less safe for you here than me traveling to anyone else’s country. I can’t remember the last time their was any major issue with a tourist here. If you have an interest in visiting I would welcome you to do so and I would be happy to provide insight on where to visit.
 
WI_Red said:
We talk a lot of shit about this country, and much of it is deserved, but it is such a beautiful place. The Grand Canyon, Yosemite, Yellowstone, The Redwood Forest, etc. are breathtaking and worth the visit. Also, the majority (although, sadly, not a huge majority) of people here are good and friendly people. I wish I could guarantee you have nothing to worry about, but the fact I can't makes me sad.
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And it is. I hitchhiked from Alaska till Mexico all the way down and everybody was very nice and helping me all the way. Even a family that stopped for me and the second question was if I was muslim (I was very tan after 2 months hitchhiking and I am sure I have muslim genes being from spain so my features are definietely middle eastern). Later on, I found out how a trumper that family was.

Nowadays, I did that in 2012. After how radicalized US had become and knowing now how rotten the police is in that country, I would not do this kind of travelling again. As much as people in US is lovely and welcoming in my own experience, there is so much racist shit going on and it doesn't seem to go better
 
WI_Red said:
On reflection I am changing my opinion. It is no less safe for you here than me traveling to anyone else’s country. I can’t remember the last time their was any major issue with a tourist here. If you have an interest in visiting I would welcome you to do so and I would be happy to provide insight on where to visit.
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Last time I came over to the States I stayed with my grandparents, in Roseville, South Carolina...
 
4bars said:
the second question was if I was muslim (I was very tan after 2 months hitchhiking and I am sure I have muslim genes being from spain so my features are definietely middle eastern)
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It happened to me once too, although it was a canadian who asked.

Just read an article the other day that said 20% of portuguese descend from north-africans and middle-easterners, should be similar in Spain. It's always amusing seeing people in far-right protests that wouldn't look foreign in Rabat or Cairo.
 
maniak said:
It happened to me once too, although it was a canadian who asked.

Just read an article the other day that said 20% of portuguese descend from north-africans and middle-easterners, should be similar in Spain. It's always amusing seeing people in far-right protests that wouldn't look foreign in Rabat or Cairo.
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Muslims settled 800 years in the majority of the peninsula (portugal and spain). That is longer than the greeks, the romans, the germanic tribes and than Portugal and Spain themselves as countries. So yeah, big influence in our gene pool and culture.
 
https://www.kctv5.com/news/local_ne...cle_63d3446c-bbf6-11eb-b080-5758e8a4b331.html

Guy pulls a gun during a verbal altercation where he’s outnumbered.

officers draw their weapons and give commands.

guy continues to hold gun at his side while walking around.

The guys he’s arguing with CONTINUE to try and start shit, with one guy even taking off his jacket.

bystanders all have cell phones out recording and get closer and closer to the involved parties

officers then take control of him with no shots fired.
 
Skizzo said:
https://www.kctv5.com/news/local_ne...cle_63d3446c-bbf6-11eb-b080-5758e8a4b331.html

Guy pulls a gun during a verbal altercation where he’s outnumbered.

officers draw their weapons and give commands.

guy continues to hold gun at his side while walking around.

The guys he’s arguing with CONTINUE to try and start shit, with one guy even taking off his jacket.

bystanders all have cell phones out recording and get closer and closer to the involved parties

officers then take control of him with no shots fired.
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Well done by the officers, but that is one lucky SOB. One twitch of his arm and I don't think most people would have damned the officers for firing.
 
WI_Red said:
Well done by the officers, but that is one lucky SOB. One twitch of his arm and I don't think most people would have damned the officers for firing.
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It was a good job, and an example of the issues when volatile situations are going on, and how no one there listened to commands given, and instead just continued to make the situation more hostile by yelling and closing in, including the guys he was arguing with in the first place.
 
Skizzo said:
It was a good job, and an example of the issues when volatile situations are going on, and how no one there listened to commands given, and instead just continued to make the situation more hostile by yelling and closing in, including the guys he was arguing with in the first place.
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It was never about good or bad cop technically. It's about good or evil cop.

Those that shoots wrongly aint doing so because they're bad but because they intent to.

Chauvin training or lack of it has nothing to do with his action. He has vile intent to hurt
 
calodo2003 said:
My god. Watch this all the way through, the revelations in the last two minutes are even more horrifying than discussed in the lead in to the video...

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Really does away with the whole bad apple argument so many people try to use. Clear evidence of them doing the wrong thing, yet the institution goes out of it's way to lie and attempt to hide the truth, instead of firing those involved.

Based on the end of this clip, them covering up the crimes, gave those same officers the opportunity to repeat these sort of actions against other people. Any officer caught bragging about beating up people in their custardy should just automatically be fired. Those people are clearly not right for the job, and short term suspensions just means they get better at hiding it the next time.
 
Can Congress mandate every police offixer in the country wear a cam?
 
Sky1981 said:
It was never about good or bad cop technically. It's about good or evil cop.

Those that shoots wrongly aint doing so because they're bad but because they intent to.

Chauvin training or lack of it has nothing to do with his action. He has vile intent to hurt
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While I agree in the Chauvin case, I’d say there’s been plenty of examples of lack of experience/training, or just made a bad choice in the heat of the moment. Not all incidents where Someone is shot is due to someone being evil or racist. They are still people and mistakes do happen.
 
Skizzo said:
While I agree in the Chauvin case, I’d say there’s been plenty of examples of lack of experience/training, or just made a bad choice in the heat of the moment. Not all incidents where Someone is shot is due to someone being evil or racist. They are still people and mistakes do happen.
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Most got called rightly though. At least in this thread.

Pepper spraying a 9 years old, breaking the arms of a demented old woman, those arent lack of training. Those are cruel evil minds.

Training or no training rationally sane people dont dont do those kinds of things.

I know not all cops are bad, alot of then are good. But the number of bad apples is alarming
 


In the 1st scene of the movie Dredd, the protagonist chases a group of armed robbers(?) fleeing in a van into a mall, where about 2 dozen bystanders are killed in the shootout.

I wonder what the danger to the public at large is when a cop rams a car driven by a ... pregnant woman going slightly above the speed limit.
 
berbatrick said:


In the 1st scene of the movie Dredd, the protagonist chases a group of armed robbers(?) fleeing in a van into a mall, where about 2 dozen bystanders are killed in the shootout.

I wonder what the danger to the public at large is when a cop rams a car driven by a ... pregnant woman going slightly above the speed limit.
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I read about this earlier.

Working 4 You: Woman files lawsuit hoping for policy change surrounding PIT maneuvers | KARK

Some of those comments by TN legislators are mindblowing (not really):

“End of the day when somebody is fleeing I will never question the method police officer uses to stop them,” said Sen. Bart Hester (R-Cave Springs). “I don’t care if it’s 60 miles an hour, I don’t care if its 100 miles an hour, I want them stopped as soon as possible.”
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Also, from the article:
“Why didn’t you stop?” Dunn questioned.

“Because I didn’t feel it was safe,” Harper said. Dunn responded, “well this is where you ended up.”
Harper went on to say, “I thought it would be safe to wait until the exit.” Dunn said, “no ma’am, you pull over when law enforcement stops you.”
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Also from the Article
“I feel like I had heard that’s what you do, you slow down, you put your flashers on and you drive to a safe place,” Harper explained.

Turns out that’s textbook what to do according to State Police’s “Driver License Study Guide.”Under

“What to do When You Are Stopped,” number one says to use, “emergency flashers to indicate to the officer that you are seeking a safe place to stop.”
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Some of the officers have a serious god complex
 
berbatrick said:


In the 1st scene of the movie Dredd, the protagonist chases a group of armed robbers(?) fleeing in a van into a mall, where about 2 dozen bystanders are killed in the shootout.

I wonder what the danger to the public at large is when a cop rams a car driven by a ... pregnant woman going slightly above the speed limit.
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they're murderous pigs. never trust anything they say. fecking disgraceful
 
Even if it were necessary to pit her one would surely pit her from the side that doesn't result in her going towards the ongoing traffic!? There's organized crime groups that train their personal better than some of the police forces out there.
 
Abizzz said:
Even if it were necessary to pit her one would surely pit her from the side that doesn't result in her going towards the ongoing traffic!? There's organized crime groups that train their personal better than some of the police forces out there.
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Theres all sorts of things wrong with what happened, some of which you mention. Although all of that is one direction there in that video. Which also raises the concern of the fact that after the PIT, he has to go wrong way on the highway to get back to where she ended up. There’s also the issue of an overturned vehicle partially blocking a lane at night which someone else could have crashed into. It looks WAY over the speed at which PIT’s are supposed to be done, and they’re usually reserved for when the person fleeing (actually fleeing, and not waiting for a safe place to pull over) is a greater danger to the Public if they continue instead of being stopped immediately. Usually you wait for a second vehicle to be with you also, so that way after the PIT, there’s someone to contact the car/driver immediately.
 
Skizzo said:
Theres all sorts of things wrong with what happened, some of which you mention. Although all of that is one direction there in that video. Which also raises the concern of the fact that after the PIT, he has to go wrong way on the highway to get back to where she ended up. There’s also the issue of an overturned vehicle partially blocking a lane at night which someone else could have crashed into. It looks WAY over the speed at which PIT’s are supposed to be done, and they’re usually reserved for when the person fleeing (actually fleeing, and not waiting for a safe place to pull over) is a greater danger to the Public if they continue instead of being stopped immediately. Usually you wait for a second vehicle to be with you also, so that way after the PIT, there’s someone to contact the car/driver immediately.
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If he'd have waited for a second vehicle she would have most likely stopped by then, so that clearly wasn't an option...

I think this cop must have had a stroke or something of that sort just before it happened. Either that or he has some car pitting / accident fetish like pyromaniacs have with fire. But even then he would have been aware that this was on camera.
 
berbatrick said:


In the 1st scene of the movie Dredd, the protagonist chases a group of armed robbers(?) fleeing in a van into a mall, where about 2 dozen bystanders are killed in the shootout.

I wonder what the danger to the public at large is when a cop rams a car driven by a ... pregnant woman going slightly above the speed limit.
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I just saw this on twitter. That is nuts.

There was no need to put her life in danger at all other than 'I can so I will'. It's just so callous.
 
berbatrick said:


In the 1st scene of the movie Dredd, the protagonist chases a group of armed robbers(?) fleeing in a van into a mall, where about 2 dozen bystanders are killed in the shootout.

I wonder what the danger to the public at large is when a cop rams a car driven by a ... pregnant woman going slightly above the speed limit.
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This makes me so angry. Fecking coward.
 
Scary how calm he sounds after doing what he did , knowing it's being recorded. You can't separate incredible stupidity with incredible cruelty sometimes.
 
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