I was more tongue in cheek with the seizure comment.
He’s well spoken as well, which helps.
Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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I was more tongue in cheek with the seizure comment.
He’s well spoken as well, which helps.
Thanks, Dwazza. I know it’s a combination device!
I didn’t think it was an extra accessory like a rave glow stick whistle!
I was as well with the QI response!
Yep, he is even fecking keeled & brings relentless facts & receipts.
For sure. Every time I've heard them, I'm impressed with the amount of data they use to back up their opinions.
Even in metro areas and suburbs I feel there was more going on but that might be due to my own experiences cloudy things as I couldn't find any hard data either way.
That would be quite the headline, though.
Gentlemen, what is going on here? I see laughing emojis, cordiality, respect, and no one calling @Skizzo variation of porcine insults.
did some spike my single malt with some E? Am I dreaming? Where am I?
actually this is awesome and the way it should be. Pig.
did some spike my single malt with some E? Am I dreaming? Where am I?
actually this is awesome and the way it should be. Pig.
13 year old kids with guns. What could possibly go wrong?
You’re kind of right. Everything is just more scrutinized today because of cellphones and social media. Every shooting, use of force, or even verbal dispute is captured and shared world wide and stokes the flames of whichever side or narrative you support. Doesn’t matter if it’s a big city department or some small campus cop in the boonies, any noteworthy incident will be broadcast to the world.
I believe the old timers when they say beatings, especially excessive ones, and even shootings were much more commonplace in the 80s-90s. In my short career i think crime has peaked in the last year. There were articles couple months ago saying how LA was at a record 300 homicides. But an lapd Lieutenant that i know laughed it off and said back in the 90s his division alone has 300 homicides and the city saw 1000 homicides regularly.
Policing was unquestionably more aggressive. Many retirees and those nearing retirement often say how they could never be a cop today and respect us newer folk for being one. “You can’t be a cop in today’s environment like we could back in the day” is a common theme.
I dont have the stats neither but I am certainly true that way more than many other police forces in any western country. But regardless this was not my point. The point is that everybody have access to a gun so they dont shoot when the person is drawing a gun (it would be too late) but when they think they might draw a gun, and as everybody has the potentiality to have a gun, they panic
compare this to Kyle Rittenhouse who practically got a guard of honour from the cops after gunning someone down with an AR-15
if you’d stop licking my boots then maybe we’d be able to make some real change.
That’s a shocking video. That people would immediately look to victim blame and move responsibility away from the ‘cop’ who asked a 13 year old child to put his hands in the air so he could shoot him dead speaks more about them quite frankly.
America is a fecked up place.
I think the cop made a misjudgement, and that he genuinely thought the kid was raising his hands to shoot.
That doesnt excuse him for being trigger happy, and doesnt justify the tragic loss of the young boys life. However I dont think this was an action of malice from the cop. To me it shows that they need better training, and that the gun culture in America is at least partially responsible for the frequency of these incidents.
That doesnt excuse him for being trigger happy, and doesnt justify the tragic loss of the young boys life. However I dont think this was an action of malice from the cop. To me it shows that they need better training, and that the gun culture in America is at least partially responsible for the frequency of these incidents.
Kid was failed by everyone in life and ultimately death.
Th' whole worl's in a terrible state o' chassis
Th' whole worl's in a terrible state o' chassis
Did the kid actually drop a gun moments before? It kinda looked like that from the CCTV but I couldn’t quite see...
If so I can understand the confusion from the officer’s perspective, if not then it’s an appalling lack of judgment.
If so I can understand the confusion from the officer’s perspective, if not then it’s an appalling lack of judgment.
Absolutely. The biggest problem in the US is guns. Every cop at every level has to have a gun and potentially be ready to use it because there are so many guns on the streets. This then means that when cops make the (let's face it) inevitable mistakes, they will actually fairly often end up with innocent people dead. An appalling cost but the country seems to have no appetite for proper gun control. Sometimes there are racist/profiling aspects that contribute to the mistakes, but not always.
I knew it! You laced your boots with psilocybin. You tricky bastard.
Justin is a former trainer and never been a LEO. He is also a former military contractor , where his expertise comes from.
That discussion involves wider and more complex societal issues. It would involve:
- The right wing's constant glorification of the "free market" (IE government=bad, unfettered deregulation of everything=good) and how that leads to this perpetuated notion that rich=good and poor=bad.
- The right-wing media's demonization of anyone protesting as "lawless rioters".
- The opportunity of cost of spending so much on policing vs so little community and social welfare.
- The greed and corruption in many city governments due to obtuse voting policies and non-transparency(city of Bell, CA for example).
- Failure to address the side-effects of gentrification on working-class communities.
- The absolute glorification of guns in America and the deification of the 2nd Amendment in America.
- The effect of social media on teenage psychology in relation to all of the above.
Definitely not "anyone". Not trying to be pedantic, but it is a critical differentiation. Agree with the rest.
To add I would say the right wings constant, and not always so subtle, use of language to foster a feeling of grievance against, and superiority over, minorities. This feeds in to a greater willingness to demonize the victims and feel like "they deserved it".
I've seen plenty of right-wingers simply dismiss "the rioters" and call any protest "the riots." Conservative media probably is a little more specific but I saw enough on connections of connections on social media and just in public that I do think many on the right think that way sadly. You're certainly correct about the grievance against minorities. We can even see that in the bitterness of that WSJ article Berba linked that was whining about corporation C-levels being too "woke" and not enough "free market".
I was referring to the armed "protestors" who stormed the Michigan and Wisconsin state capitols, or the people who ran the Biden bus off the road, or the people at the capitol on 1/6. Those "Protestors" are NOT talked about in the same way.
Sure I do because if that cop had made another choice he might have been killed. Think for a second about what it's like to chase an armed suspect down a dark alley with the prospect of your life being taken from you if you feck it up.
You're first five are not solely right-wing failures. Unfortunately, like in the UK, a truly progressive political party will never get into power. America is in a death spiral and the UK is looking down the same path. Thankfully the UK doesn't have the gun culture, but the stratification of society and marginalisation of the poor is increasing alarmingly. I suppose they should be grateful that all they get is a beating in the UK rather than an execution.
None of that matters. None of it. Police do not get to kill people because they might get killed if alternative events happen. I have sympathy for officers, they have a dangerous job made more dangerous by the insane amount of guns in the public. But they don't get to kill us because they are scared. That officer was not in immediate danger and his shooting of the kid was not justified and he should go to jail.
You get to make that argument from the safety of your room. There's no way he's going to jail for this. The moment that kid pulled a gun he allowed the cop to legally use deadly force on him.
He basically says hands in the air and shoots simultaneously. Surely thats not in their training hand book?
Who would've thought.
He'll say he saw a movement or something. We really can't know what happened until an account of the events comes out but he is not getting jail time.
Yes, because I chose not to become a LEO. At the time he was shot, and even before, he was not pointing his weapon at that officer. So therefore it was the very presence of the gun that was justification. By that logic every single person who open carries should be executed immediately
I don't think the law requires the weapon to be pointed at the time of the shot. People who open carry don't tend to wave their guns about and then take off whilst disobeying lawful orders from a LEO.
Are you really saying that because he ran and because he did not listen he was justified in being shot?
What I think doesn't matter. You are asking for this LEO to go to jail. That means he is tried in the courts and therefore the laws are applied to him. Do you believe that a jury will convict him of murder/manslaughter beyond a reasonable doubt?
Now if you want to have an emotional discussion about how terrible this all is then I'm completely with you. The gun culture here and cop brutality/eagerness to shoot is terrible. I'm 100% with you on that. But the laws will allow for him to avoid conviction and I doubt any prosecutor would even take it on...this being based on what we know at this point. New information will be coming out that might change my view.
I‘d water there’s less chance of this guy going to jail than someone from the OKC shooting.
Sounds stupid right? But there's lots of studies that show that black children aren't seen as child-like (read: innocent) in comparison to white children.
https://www.npr.org/2014/03/19/2914...erican-boys-are-seen-as-older?t=1618591687237
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/03/black-boys-older
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200702113650.htm
So, i'm not surprised that the story describes the boy as a man - and this type of stereotyping seeps into every facet of life for black kids - but that's probably a conversation for the Racism thread & certainly doesn't take away from the story