Cop in America doing a bad job, again

fergieisold said:
The cops are wrong, but why are some people so difficult. Maybe they just have such a low opinion of the police they refuse to co operate.
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Or they know their rights and feel like making a stand because that's the type of personality they have?
 
fergieisold said:
The cops are wrong, but why are some people so difficult. Maybe they just have such a low opinion of the police they refuse to co operate.
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If a police officer walked up to you and arrested you for chewing gum on the street, while you're well aware that it's not illegal to chew gum on the street, would you just calmly go with the police officer and not say "hey, this is fecking wrong why are you taking me to jail?", or be "difficult" in some other way?

As is turns out, he was right to have a low opinion of the police seeing as they didn't properly know the laws that they were enforcing on him.
 
Anustart89 said:
If a police officer walked up to you and arrested you for chewing gum on the street, while you're well aware that it's not illegal to chew gum on the street, would you just calmly go with the police officer and not say "hey, this is fecking wrong why are you taking me to jail?", or be "difficult" in some other way?

As is turns out, he was right to have a low opinion of the police seeing as they didn't properly know the laws that they were enforcing on him.
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The police were wrong, but he was also immediately difficult when asked to provide any kind of information about what happened. Each to their own but I personally wouldn’t mind providing a bit of info about what had happened.
 
fergieisold said:
The police were wrong, but he was also immediately difficult when asked to provide any kind of information about what happened. Each to their own but I personally wouldn’t mind providing a bit of info about what had happened.
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But he said no which he was within his rights to do. The entire situation was caused by the officer being offended and not knowing the law.

If the officer had known the law and not taken it as a personal affront he should’ve said “okay, that’s fair enough” none of that would’ve happened. The officer’s ignorance and ego is what caused it.
 
fergieisold said:
The police were wrong, but he was also immediately difficult when asked to provide any kind of information about what happened. Each to their own but I personally wouldn’t mind providing a bit of info about what had happened.
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Being difficult is not a crime and certainly not grounds to rip someone's shoulder. All the guy did was help an accident victim. The cop decided to assault him because he got his feelings hurt.
 
freeurmind said:
Being difficult is not a crime and certainly not grounds to rip someone's shoulder. All the guy did was help an accident victim. The cop decided to assault him because he got his feelings hurt.
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I'm not saying the police weren't wrong. Just that it was surprising the guy was so difficult with them...if it were me I'd be like 'yeh, sure what you wanna know?'
 
fergieisold said:
I'm not saying the police weren't wrong. Just that it was surprising the guy was so difficult with them...if it were me I'd be like 'yeh, sure what you wanna know?'
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He wasn't difficult. He declined to speak with them and that should've been that. His "difficultness" came from the police officer needlessly forcing him to reiterate his wish to not speak to him over and over and over because he couldn't take no for an answer.

You're a tough one to be around if the word "no" constitutes being difficult.
 
Anustart89 said:
But he said no which he was within his rights to do. The entire situation was caused by the officer being offended and not knowing the law.

If the officer had known the law and not taken it as a personal affront he should’ve said “okay, that’s fair enough” none of that would’ve happened. The officer’s ignorance and ego is what caused it.
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This is what's wrong with both sides most of the times.
I'm taking in general here nothing specific to this issue.

Each side focuses on what's my right instead of what i should have done to better everyone.

At one side you have an annoying civilian mouthing off and playing i want my lawyer and not being cooperative. What's your name? I'm not telling you that without my lawyer. Can you tell me what happened? Not without my lawyer.

At the other side you got abusive cops who's looking for semantic reasons to shoot you. A wheelchair old people not moving fast enough? That's obstruction. A lady gets in touch within a whisker of my uniform, that's resisting arrest. A guy moving an inch, that's obstruction.

The cycle of distrust and hate has gone too far for any rational approach. They really need a full build up from scratch. The amount of new cases of bad cops doesnt help
 
These cops need to be better educated and trained. In the Loveland case he should have known the guy wasn’t required to talk to him and he should have left it at that. His ego and ignorance got the better of him. Pity he wasn’t disciplined though the union would probably back him anyway.
 
Sky1981 said:
This is what's wrong with both sides most of the times.
I'm taking in general here nothing specific to this issue.

Each side focuses on what's my right instead of what i should have done to better everyone.

At one side you have an annoying civilian mouthing off and playing i want my lawyer and not being cooperative. What's your name? I'm not telling you that without my lawyer. Can you tell me what happened? Not without my lawyer.

At the other side you got abusive cops who's looking for semantic reasons to shoot you. A wheelchair old people not moving fast enough? That's obstruction. A lady gets in touch within a whisker of my uniform, that's resisting arrest. A guy moving an inch, that's obstruction.

The cycle of distrust and hate has gone too far for any rational approach. They really need a full build up from scratch. The amount of new cases of bad cops doesnt help
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But if one side’s right (legally, as in this case), why should it drop down to the one who’s in the wrong’s level?
Should he have ignored his constitutional rights and went with being arrested just to appease an egomaniac? It doesn’t work that way. If someone abuses your rights I’m expecting you to protest.
 
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Sky1981 said:
At one side you have an annoying civilian mouthing off and playing i want my lawyer and not being cooperative. What's your name? I'm not telling you that without my lawyer. Can you tell me what happened? Not without my lawyer.
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What's your name?
 
Anustart89 said:
But if one side’s right (legally, as in this case), why should it drop down to the one who’s in the wrong’s level?
Should he have ignored his constitutional rights and went with being arrested just to appease an egomaniac? It doesn’t work that way. If someone abuses your rights I’m expecting you to protest.
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No doubt he was right in a legal sense but most decent person wouldn’t have batted an eyelid at chatting to the cops. He was being a pain. It wasn’t that bad but it reminded me a bit of those YouTube videos that chavs share when scrotes film themselves being stopped by police and then start spouting off about their rights.
 
fergieisold said:
No doubt he was right in a legal sense but most decent person wouldn’t have batted an eyelid at chatting to the cops. He was being a pain. It wasn’t that bad but it reminded me a bit of those YouTube videos that chavs share when scrotes film themselves being stopped by police and then start spouting off about their rights.
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Jheeze..... So we're making judgement calls now.
 
Sky1981 said:
I'm david. Anything I can do to help you officer?
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Sorry, I meant your full name. Even if you're willing to give me that, I'm sure you see how a lot of people would be uncomfortable with it. And, for a lot of people including me, I'd much rather give my name to a stranger than to a cop who's asking for no good reason.

If you don't want to give me your name that's totally up to you. If I keep pestering you for it then any situation that happens is on me. It's not you being uncooperative, it's me harassing you.
 
NotThatSoph said:
Sorry, I meant your full name. Even if you're willing to give me that, I'm sure you see how a lot of people would be uncomfortable with it. And, for a lot of people including me, I'd much rather give my name to a stranger than to a cop who's asking for no good reason.

If you don't want to give me your name that's totally up to you. If I keep pestering you for it then any situation that happens is on me. It's not you being uncooperative, it's me harassing you.
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That's exactly the point I'm trying to say.

It has come to an extremely unhealthy level of toxicity where you can't or won't even tell a cops your name without your lawyer. Especially if you're not doing any crime and probably just being asked for something in general.

I bet most people in other nations would simply let them know their name, and ask what / how they can assist.

PS: Most cops can get your name anyway, asking for ID is pretty basic.
 
afrocentricity said:
Jheeze..... So we're making judgement calls now.
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afrocentricity said:
Jheeze..... So we're making judgement calls now.
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I said most. Maybe he’s a decent person that just had a bad day.

I stand by my assumption that most decent people would not have a problem with police asking for information, but then again I live in the uk where police are on the whole absolutely fine.
 
Sky1981 said:
That's exactly the point I'm trying to say.

It has come to an extremely unhealthy level of toxicity where you can't or won't even tell a cops your name without your lawyer. Especially if you're not doing any crime and probably just being asked for something in general.

I bet most people in other nations would simply let them know their name, and ask what / how they can assist.

PS: Most cops can get your name anyway, asking for ID is pretty basic.
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You keep saying “without a lawyer” but the guy in the video didn’t talk about a lawyer he just said he didn’t want to talk to the cop, end of story.
 
Rado_N said:
You keep saying “without a lawyer” but the guy in the video didn’t talk about a lawyer he just said he didn’t want to talk to the cop, end of story.
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I'm saying in general, nothing specific about that video.

Just an observation that the whole situation is a short fuse for violence

PS: Is it legal to even not talking to a cop? As in not even answering a simple direct question?
 
Sky1981 said:
That's exactly the point I'm trying to say.

It has come to an extremely unhealthy level of toxicity where you can't or won't even tell a cops your name without your lawyer. Especially if you're not doing any crime and probably just being asked for something in general.

I bet most people in other nations would simply let them know their name, and ask what / how they can assist.

PS: Most cops can get your name anyway, asking for ID is pretty basic.
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The cops can ask me for an ID just like you can, and I can refuse them just like I can refuse you.

Is this toxicity you're talking about just with cop interactions, or in general? If you want people to give their information to anyone who asks then fair enough, but if you think people should comply with cops just because they're cops, even if they have no good reason to behave the way they do, then that's just bizarre to me.
 
Sky1981 said:
I'm saying in general, nothing specific about that video.

Just an observation that the whole situation is a short fuse for violence

PS: Is it legal to even not talking to a cop? As in not even answering a simple direct question?
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The video breaks that down pretty well, in short the cop has absolutely zero right to push for info and the guy has no legal requirement to say anything at all.
 
Watching the video it struck me straight away that the cop seemed to be operating on the assumption that there was some kind of criminal incident and honed in on the biker dude straight away talking about him moving the bike and it being tampering with evidence.

The cop was a bellend and the guy he was questioning has most likely had previous experience with being harassed by the police hence not wanting any part of it.
 
Just another day in Piggyland!



Perhaps we should just start a UK thread.
 
Carolina Red said:


A friend of mine from high school lives just outside the downtown area there. Says it’s like something out of a movie.
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Regardless of justifications for the events (if there are any..) Makes you wonder what all those militia are doing now - in a state that is known to have many-that some of the feds are literally going after the American people and ignoring state s rights. Two things I thought those folks have been training to protect etc.

Oh that's right - they won't stand up because it's all posturing and what they really want is a government that suppresses 1st amendment rights of those they disagree with. Note I am not saying the left doesn't have its own issues there, but this is literally the governments power being unleashed on American citizens. Should be a very easy thing for those freedom fighters and patriots to disagree with right?
 
Hah! Those 2a types are not interested in helping ‘lefties’.
They’ll protest about their (gun) rights, but only as it affects them. They’re hardly constitutional scholars, or defenders for that matter.
 
Redplane said:
Regardless of justifications for the events (if there are any..) Makes you wonder what all those militia are doing now - in a state that is known to have many-that some of the feds are literally going after the American people and ignoring state s rights. Two things I thought those folks have been training to protect etc.

Oh that's right - they won't stand up because it's all posturing and what they really want is a government that suppresses 1st amendment rights of those they disagree with. Note I am not saying the left doesn't have its own issues there, but this is literally the governments power being unleashed on American citizens. Should be a very easy thing for those freedom fighters and patriots to disagree with right?
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Basically this...
utdalltheway said:
Hah! Those 2a types are not interested in helping ‘lefties’.
They’ll protest about their (gun) rights, but only as it affects them. They’re hardly constitutional scholars, or defenders for that matter.
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They’re watching OAN wanking themselves silly over it.
 
Baltimore Police sergeant arrested, accused of extortion and kidnapping contractor while on duty, county police say

Another illustration of how police overtime is out of control @choiboyx012
"Last year, Lloyd made a base salary of $101,000 but with overtime grossed more than $138,500, according to the city’s salary database. Larbi earned a base salary of $80,300 and $140,500 with overtime; Taylor made $135,000 with overtime on top of a salary of $91,800; and Diaz made $129,900 with overtime and a salary of $87,200. "
 
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