Cop in America doing a bad job, again

RedPed said:
With all of these new videos of police mistreatment coming to light, the notion that there are just a few bad apples is just bullshit. It's just beyond comprehension the stuff that they have managed to get away with all these years. It's absolutely disgraceful. The whole lot needs to be just swept clean and start again. They're corrupt as feck.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that the reality is actually somewhere between this and what the coppers in this thread reckon about it.
 
Grinner said:
I have a sneaking suspicion that the reality is actually somewhere between this and what the coppers in this thread reckon about it.
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I don't really have time for what the coppers think. They're all part of the problem. I guarantee you they all know of a colleague who is probably a little unorthodox or have seen/heard stuff that should have been reported but just dismissed as being one of those 'bad apples'. 'Bad apples', I fecking hate that term.
 
RedPed said:
I don't really have time for what the coppers think. They're all part of the problem. I guarantee you they all know of a colleague who is probably a little unorthodox or have seen/heard stuff that should have been reported but just dismissed as being one of those 'bad apples'. 'Bad apples', I fecking hate that term.
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so they are all bastards?
 
Grinner said:
so they are all bastards?
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You trying to stitch me up for another infraction? But seeing as you've asked me the question, yeah pretty much! They've all been complicit to varying degrees in turning a blind eye to the odd incident. So they can't really be good cops can they?
 
RedPed said:
You trying to stitch me up for another infraction? But seeing as you've asked me the question, yeah pretty much! They've all been complicit to varying degrees in turning a blind eye to the odd incident. So they can't really be good cops can they?
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no but I'm trying to point out that generalisations don't really work. We've all got to figure it out together or we're fecked. The police who post on here seem to be decent guys. Have you ever turned a blind eye to any illegality by anybody you know? Yeah I know coppers are on different standards, but you know what I mean.
 
Grinner said:
no but I'm trying to point out that generalisations don't really work. We've all got to figure it out together or we're fecked. The police who post on here seem to be decent guys. Have you ever turned a blind eye to any illegality by anybody you know? Yeah I know coppers are on different standards, but you know what I mean.
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Highlighted the important part for you.... and anyone else that doesn't get it.

You can't clean up the police force without help from..... you guessed it, the police force.
 
Twitter talking about Atlanta Police shooting a fleeing, unarmed, black man in the back and killing him. Videos posted as well, with accusations of the officers picking up shells ro cover up. Apparently a lot of witnesses were also at the spot.
 
Grinner said:
no but I'm trying to point out that generalisations don't really work. We've all got to figure it out together or we're fecked. The police who post on here seem to be decent guys. Have you ever turned a blind eye to any illegality by anybody you know? Yeah I know coppers are on different standards, but you know what I mean.
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Who's the 'we' you're referring to? It's not the public's problem. The police have to sort their own shit out.

See this is what pisses me off. Any time someone tries to justify police behaviour, they come up with a lame excuse. These people have chosen their profession and have very high standards to maintain EVERY day. There's no room for off days because guess what, on an off day someone dies. You would take a different view if it happened to you, which I'm guessing it hasn't. If they can't sign up to that they should take up a different profession.

As I said the coppers on here may well be decent guys but I'm willing to bet my life that they have at some point seen or heard something that was inappropriate and let it slide. The police have been generalising for decades and it seems to have worked out well for them....until now. Until they stand up and own that shit, yeah they are all bastards (as you put it).
 
afrocentricity said:
Highlighted the important part for you.... and anyone else that doesn't get it.

You can't clean up the police force without help from..... you guessed it, the police force.
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So you've highlighted the bit that I wrote to let me know about it?

yeah I know it is important, I wrote it.
 
Grinner said:
So you've highlighted the bit that I wrote to let me know about it?

yeah I know it is important, I wrote it.
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Well it wasnt just aimed at you was it? Great that we are in agreement though...
 
RedPed said:
Who's the 'we' you're referring to? It's not the public's problem. The police have to sort their own shit out.

See this is what pisses me off. Any time someone tries to justify police behaviour, they come up with a lame excuse. These people have chosen their profession and have very high standards to maintain EVERY day. There's no room for off days because guess what, on an off day someone dies. You would take a different view if it happened to you, which I'm guessing it hasn't. If they can't sign up to that they should take up a different profession.

As I said the coppers on here may well be decent guys but I'm willing to bet my life that they have at some point seen or heard something that was inappropriate and let it slide. The police have been generalising for decades and it seems to have worked out well for them....until now. Until they stand up and own that shit, yeah they are all bastards (as you put it).
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Can only speak for here (UK) but whenever I’ve used discretion it’s been with members of the public not with colleagues. It is rare to see or hear something inappropriate from colleagues and if you do it’ll most likely be a punch up after work drinks or someone driving like a twat and people regularly get reported for this.
Racism in Britain is very rarely obvious. I’m sure there are officers with extreme views but they’d never air them at work or let their mask slip. It’s all hidden away under layers so how exactly would you snuff these people out?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ed-following-gorilla-monkey-race-remarks.html

You’d have to get really lucky as above..

“On an off day somebody dies” This would apply more to US policing id say, not really here. But yeah most policing day in day out is just really mundane and Ive had plenty off days but it would be forgetting to do something. It’s so rare to be involved in a life/death situation.
 
We once had an old-timer former nypd guy who worked there in the 80s and 90s. He had some absolutely crazy stories. Stuff that he and other officers did, and also things that gangs and suspects used to do to them. I’m never surprised by anything coming from the nypd. For such a liberal progressive city their PD is one of the most backwards among the large metropolises. Today they’re still very much like the lapd were prior to the 90’s rampart scandals and federal consent decree.
 
choiboyx012 said:
We once had an old-timer former nypd guy who worked there in the 80s and 90s. He had some absolutely crazy stories. Stuff that he and other officers did, and also things that gangs and suspects used to do to them. I’m never surprised by anything coming from the nypd. For such a liberal progressive city their PD is one of the most backwards among the large metropolises. Today they’re still very much like the lapd were prior to the 90’s rampart scandals and federal consent decree.
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Reminds me of the old timer cop turned author in Brooklyn 99 harking back to the “good old days”.
 
There's been some stories from people coming out who've talked about the time they tried to do the right thing and who were basically shunned(if they were lucky).
 


Another guy shot in the back whilst running from the police. Why is their first course of action always to shoot? The guy was only sleeping in his car at a Wendy's ffs!
 
RedPed said:
Who's the 'we' you're referring to? It's not the public's problem. The police have to sort their own shit out.

See this is what pisses me off. Any time someone tries to justify police behaviour, they come up with a lame excuse. These people have chosen their profession and have very high standards to maintain EVERY day. There's no room for off days because guess what, on an off day someone dies. You would take a different view if it happened to you, which I'm guessing it hasn't. If they can't sign up to that they should take up a different profession.

As I said the coppers on here may well be decent guys but I'm willing to bet my life that they have at some point seen or heard something that was inappropriate and let it slide. The police have been generalising for decades and it seems to have worked out well for them....until now. Until they stand up and own that shit, yeah they are all bastards (as you put it).
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What a horse shit comments. Pretty disrespectful too. Not that you care about being offensive seeing as you're quite happy to call people racist when they don't agree with you in other threads. It seems your speciality is making sweeping generalisations before looking to engage your brain.
 
The video doesn’t show the actual shots fired, but if the officer did indeed shoot him in the back as he was fleeing then he is fecked. There’s no justification for shooting fleeing suspects unless they pose a deadly threat to the officer or public if not immediately apprehended (Tennessee vs Garner).
 
choiboyx012 said:
The video doesn’t show the actual shots fired, but if the officer did indeed shoot him in the back as he was fleeing then he is fecked. There’s no justification for shooting fleeing suspects unless they pose a deadly threat to the officer or public if not immediately apprehended (Tennessee vs Garner).
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Did they know that he was going for a tazer and a not a gun though?
 
Shamana said:
Did they know that he was going for a tazer and a not a gun though?
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Course they did. It was the cop's own taser and the guy was otherwise unharmed. There was still no reason to shoot him.
 
@choiboyx012

when you guys do your training, are you not told to try and aim for legs and shit, if someone is unarmed? Doesn’t seem to make any sense to ever need to shoot someone who’s not unarmed in the chest/face area. And also how come there’s a reluctancy to draw a taser?
 
Ok so just saw the surveillance video, and he does turn and point the taser at the officer. I’m sure someone will post it.
It MIGHT save the officer if he can articulate that a taser could incapacitate him and suspect could go for his gun. He already showed he was going to fight and not comply, and took a weapon from the officer.
but it’s still not enough IMO since he did have a partner with him. If he was a solo officer in that situation then yes it would have been a justified shoot.
 
Leroy The Red said:
@choiboyx012

when you guys do your training, are you not told to try and aim for legs and shit, if someone is unarmed? Doesn’t seem to make any sense to ever need to shoot someone who’s not unarmed in the chest/face area. And also how come there’s a reluctancy to draw a taser?
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In deadly force situations, no we don’t train to shoot at limbs. If you have time, distance, cover, and backup on a person who has a knife/bat then someone else should have a taser or 40mm beanbag shotgun type of less-lethal to avoid shooting.
In this incident specifically it looks like the taser failed for both officers. It’s kind of hard to see though.
 
choiboyx012 said:
Ok so just saw the surveillance video, and he does turn and point the taser at the officer. I’m sure someone will post it.
It MIGHT save the officer if he can articulate that a taser could incapacitate him and suspect could go for his gun. He already showed he was going to fight and not comply, and took a weapon from the officer.
but it’s still not enough IMO since he did have a partner with him. If he was a solo officer in that situation then yes it would have been a justified shoot.
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Wasn't it the Tazer they'd already deployed on him and wouldn't that render it useless from range?
 
Lawyer's statement saying he was shot in the back and the cops were seen by witnesses picking up the shell casings before the GBI arrived while Brooks was lying on the ground for several minutes wounded.

Absolutely disgraceful from those pigs.
 
choiboyx012 said:
Ok so just saw the surveillance video, and he does turn and point the taser at the officer. I’m sure someone will post it.
It MIGHT save the officer if he can articulate that a taser could incapacitate him and suspect could go for his gun. He already showed he was going to fight and not comply, and took a weapon from the officer.
but it’s still not enough IMO since he did have a partner with him. If he was a solo officer in that situation then yes it would have been a justified shoot.
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So execution it is.
 
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