Cop in America doing a bad job, again

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Carolina Red said:
Took her about 5 seconds till the bullshit started... “I’ve been sitting on how I feel about the George Floyd situation for a few weeks now”

She got a time machine?
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Edit: Her eyes are suspiciously too far apart for my liking. Before the All Eyes Matter brigade start, I don’t care; she’s shifty.
 
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“I’ve been sitting on how I feel about the George Floyd situation for a few weeks now”
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Yeah, 'cos the world's been waiting with f*cking bated breath for your unique wisdom and perspective.
 
MrMarcello said:
What is her deal?
Grifter?
Self-hate?
Self-racist?
Mentally unstable?
All of the above?
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She likes the attention and is incapable of feeling empathy was my impression. She doesn't assoicate herself with other black people, if someone called her a racial slur she'd be angry at her 'race' for giving her a bad name.
 
I don’t want to tarnish every officer as I’m sure there are truly fantastic officers and in part it would seem some have even been showcased on social media being understanding and doing there part. However in the current climate seen a lot of videos of officers just being Grace A Cnuts.

You would think if you had any common sense at all knowing the world is watching every move you make and given the incident that has sparked this the one thing you would avoid is putting your knee on someone neck yet seen a vid of some guy doing just that.

Then I’ve seen two seperate vids of police man handeling older folk and pushing them causing both to stumble and one to be left with blood coming out the back of his head whilst officers walk past or are stopped from going to help to focus on grabbing a protestor.

There is also a video where a female protester is beaten with batons and shot at with a rubber bullet. In what world do these officers deem that necessary force. Of anything I would imagine that would only enrage people more and there are far easier less damaging ways to put someone on the ground.

Its just ridiculous some of the things that are being done by police at the moment knowing the eyes of the world are on them.
 
MrMarcello said:
https://features.propublica.org/wei...rginia/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

“I Don’t Want to Shoot You, Brother”
A shocking story of police and lethal force. Just not the one you might expect.
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I'm just a quarter of the way through and this is a great read so far. Seems like one more example of the kind of culture that is apparently so prevalent in US police depts these days. These guys are acting like they're out on a battlefield and any second's hesitation in applying force is putting their fellow officers at unnecessary risk. That can never make for good policing, only for violence.
 
Salt Lake City police kill Bernardo Palacios on May 23, 2020
Body cam of cops who MURDERED Bernardo Palacios in SLC was just released today. NSFW:
 
sammsky1 said:
Salt Lake City police kill Bernardo Palacios on May 23, 2020
Body cam of cops who MURDERED Bernardo Palacios in SLC was just released today. NSFW:
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No matter the circumstances (which aren't particularly good for the victim in this case) shooting someone in the back 20 times is indicative of a broken system that lacks preventive controls.

Justice may have a wedge in this case seeing as one officer emptied a magazine which is typically 17 rounds.
 

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https://www.wweek.com/news/city/202...being-pepper-sprayed-while-filming-an-arrest/

"As the man sputtered and spit and gasped, I, for reasons that I'm sure are clear, shouted to get the feck off his neck"
 
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NoLogo said:
What's wrong with American Cops? How do they feel threatened by everything, so they have to use excessive force all the time?

I so another video a few minutes ago where again cops where kneeing on someone's head/neck area after they already had him on the ground with 4 people. Are they teaching their cops to do that?
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They used people and their vehicles as human shields in a shoot out, in a highway in the middle of the day. They don't give a shit about the public. They are collectively an embarrassment to public service.
 
choiboyx012 said:
Whoa whoa there buddy, don't you dare think about touching my overtime! It's one of the best perks of the job.
LAPD officers have been getting vacation days banked in-lieu of OT for years and only recently with their new contract got OT back. I obviously love my overtime, but looking at it objectively there is a lot of money put into it. Although it has been argued that for police and fire departments, it costs more to recruit and hire brand new employees, send them to academy/drill tower for months, and train them in the field in order to keep up with staffing levels. That's why a lot of smaller departments recruit and hire lateral officers that already have experience and completed probation. It should be noted however that a lot of the OT is not even paid by the department. There are movie/tv shoots, concerts, sporting events, parades, festivals, etc. that pay the department for X amount of police officers to staff events, and it's usually all OT pay for officers on their day off.
Because police work is unpredictable, OT is sometimes necessary (department paid) if there's a late arrest, late report, or critical incident. And this goes back to my earlier post regarding police benefiting greatly from liberal labor laws and MOU's. It's not an office/clerical job that you can hold off to complete tomorrow. Suspects have to be booked, reports need to be written and filed, evidence needs to be packaged and booked.
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The bold sounds very problematic. If I work an office job 40 hrs/week then I take some sidework on the weekends, I don't get overtime rates. That's ridiculous to me that officers get overtime rates when they choose to do sidework like concerts or movie shoots.

Also I wouldn't place the blame on "liberal labor laws". Its more the result of the bargaining power of the unions with politicians that get elected on "tough on crime" bullshit rhetoric.

choiboyx012 said:
Since this is a George Floyd protest thread, I can assure you almost every department impacted has canceled days off and vacations for all their officers to staff the skirmish lines and/or handle normal calls for service while the protests are going on. That's a lot of OT getting paid out.
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Much of which is completely unnecessary. Police getting overtime so they can shove a 75 year old man or do things like below is highly problematic:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...rgbY_CPbL3NEPneGLMW_kpkh_l5M2aP3ICM_XH8hlozFE


choiboyx012 said:
The fire department are the real OT scammers! They work two back-to-back 24-hour shifts. What they commonly do is trade days with their colleagues and work FOUR days straight. That's 48 hours of OT in 1 week! Even though their base pay is lower than police, most of them make more in a year because of OT pay. Speaking of Fire, they are a way more discriminatory organization than police IMO. They're a real "old boys club" and almost all white males, with a few black sprinkled here and there. They rarely hire for attrition because it's less opportunity for OT. The hazing culture is like police departments were back in the day. Still, they really have it good. I'm jealous of them.

I agree with the decriminalization of drugs. Recreational marijuana is already legal now, and other drug offenses have been lowered from felonies to misdemeanors, or misdemeanors to infractions. Though according to your 2nd chart, opiate deaths didn't skyrocket until after 2007 where the 1st chart ends. But nonetheless drug possession and abuse is more of a health issue and shouldn't result in the mass incarcerations we've seen for the past few decades.

I understand a lot of people will have an issue with the amount of OT pay for police, but I've been on the job long enough to see other scams like workers comp (staying home for 1 whole year full pay), extended and questionable leaves of absence/sick days, able-bodied police officers doing civilian/admin work, frivolous complaints/lawsuits of discrimination/harassment/racism/sexism/retaliation with significant pay-outs, suing the department for injuries/illnesses with again more pay-outs. And the best one : https://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-drop-pension-20180206-story.html
Of course I'm biased, but I don't mind the OT because at times it's necessary due to the nature of the job. And a lot of the special OT assignments are not paid by the department anyway. I personally have a bigger problem with my colleagues who, although grown-ass men and women who call themselves cops, are always scamming and crying or playing victim to get a lawsuit or promotion/special assignment. It goes against what I stand for.
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Well, this definitely sounds like the police departments have a lot of systemic issues with how they hire and how they train if you see these scams happening. Doesn't exactly give us normal citizens a lot of confidence in police departments to be doing the right thing does it?
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
The bold sounds very problematic. If I work an office job 40 hrs/week then I take some sidework on the weekends, I don't get overtime rates. That's ridiculous to me that officers get overtime rates when they choose to do sidework like concerts or movie shoots.

Also I wouldn't place the blame on "liberal labor laws". Its more the result of the bargaining power of the unions with politicians that get elected on "tough on crime" bullshit rhetoric.



Much of which is completely unnecessary. Police getting overtime so they can shove a 75 year old man or do things like below is highly problematic:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...rgbY_CPbL3NEPneGLMW_kpkh_l5M2aP3ICM_XH8hlozFE




Well, this definitely sounds like the police departments have a lot of systemic issues with how they hire and how they train if you see these scams happening. Doesn't exactly give us normal citizens a lot of confidence in police departments to be doing the right thing does it?
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It’s not really a “tough on crime” bullshit, it’s just the agreements cities have with event venues, film crews, stadiums etc to require police staff as security.

You do know that not all protests resulted in old grandpas getting injured? Many, including my department, had very peaceful protests. But we still have to have enough teams available to respond in case things spiral out of control. And while that’s going on we need enough officers to answer normal radio calls, because the world (and crime) doesn’t stop for protests. So yes, it’s (OT) kind of necessary.

Per your last paragraph, no i don’t believe it’s a problem with hiring and training. People can fake it through the hiring process. It’s impossible to predict with any test or interview how an employee is going to be once hired on. From my experience people’s true colors and personalities show once they finish probation. At that point you’re a full-fledged civil service employee and there’s too much invested in that officer.
I will suggest, however, that there needs to be a discussion on civil service protection. It’s very difficult to get rid of problem employees. There’s a complex and time-consuming process involved. I’ve seen many officers get fired and/or demoted, but many of them come back due to their civil service due-process being violated, or they sued the department and got their job back as a settlement.
We’re a medium-sized department so we have our fair share of shithousery. But it’s usually just a minority of the department who do these “scams” or play victim to get a fat pay-day. I’ve read somewhere that police departments are one of the most toxic working environments. It definitely is true. I’ve been on long enough to see and hear all the drama among all the ranks. But it’s all about the mindset and personality. Most of us get along and do the job with professionalism and try to have a good time, then bitch about it in the locker room when we’re going home.
 
Just reading about those Met police who were attacked in hackney. The guy with the baseball bat was an Asian shopkeeper who went to help the officers. I hope he gets some recognition for that.
 
With all of these new videos of police mistreatment coming to light, the notion that there are just a few bad apples is just bullshit. It's just beyond comprehension the stuff that they have managed to get away with all these years. It's absolutely disgraceful. The whole lot needs to be just swept clean and start again. They're corrupt as feck.
 
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