This is actually pretty incredible to read. Especially coming from a cop. You seem soo set in your belief that innocent people are going to die irrespective of whatever can be done. Believe it or not, there is an easier way to have avoided George Floyd's death. If the officer was charged with any of the 17 complaints filed against him, George Floyd would be alive today. If anything, one should be ashamed that so many prior red flags about the officer have been missed or blatantly ignored. There is no reason whatsoever to pretend like any of this is unavoidable.
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I think you've taken a bit of a leap on what he's saying there. The gun issue is obviously hugely important but your intent of taking them away as a sort of punishment doesn't seem to solve much of the problems related to this case?
I'd agree they contribute to an environment of fear that heightens tensions but that's a wider point of US arms.
The controls and accountability you go on to state are the key here and i dont think he or anyone else is or can argue against those points.
The problem is mate, you keep moving goalposts so it’s difficult to keep up and then you spin whatever is said around and come up with something else. It’s difficult to have a Conversation with you if you’re doing this.
I mean you didn’t even address the initial point I put to you in that how was it a realistic proposition to expect police to have their guns and supply taken away from them when civilians are legally walking around with ak47’s.
Like I said in my previous post, this issue could have been avoided like countless others before them. The officer who murdered him had 17 complaints against him. If the cops weren't so inept, he wouldn't even be in uniform, let alone murdering innocent civilians.
You can’t control an individual's right to arms. No one is trying to do that. But you can control how cops access them. You can definitely control how much power you hand over to them. Because guess what, it is taxpayers' money that funds them. And I am talking about firearms you shouldn’t even be having in the first place. I am also not talking about limiting their access as some sort of punishment, if anything it should be a norm moving forward.
My overall point is simple and should be obvious to us by now. When you’ve reached a point where cops have enough tools to start a war, incite riots, kill innocent civilians and behave like racist pos but can’t protect an unarmed individual then they are no longer cops. They are no longer serving their purpose. And the only way to bring about serious change is to defund them and limit their access to power. Instead of wasting millions funding them, the money is better served elsewhere.
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The fact that you can't even recognize that this could be avoided tells me all I need to know about you.
I think you should maybe acknowledge that a number of people have questioned your posts in this thread and reconsider what you’ve typed before hitting ‘post reply’.
Unbelievable. If it isn't bad enough these racist cops killing yet another coloured man we then have people like this backing them and refusing to condemn them .
We get it, mate. Your purpose is to yell at anyone who criticizes cops beyond a certain point. And come across as smug when someone points out that innocent deaths could've been avoided.
Honestly, whilst text is not the best medium for conveying tone or volume, from my perspective as someone largely uninvolved in this thread, your posts come across a lot "louder" and more aggressive than @Leroy The Red , regardless of which "side" of the argument I am on.
I'd make them get rid of all that military gear for starters. It makes them look like something they are not meant to be.
Yeah, the militarification (I may have just invented that word) of the American police force has been something to behold.
Which, again, makes the irony of how much the #Murica #Freedom #ColdDeadHands crowd backs the police while fearing a "tyrannical government" so much more interesting.
I concur..
I'd suggest you tone it down a little. You come across as a right [take your pick] and certainly not interested in having a discussion or having any of your arguments challenged.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/minneapolis-george-floyd-friday/index.html
I wonder what charges will be filed.
I wonder what charges will be filed.
Third degree murder. Maximum of 25 years in Minnesota.
Great news 
I’ve heard this criticism a lot, but what specific aspect of militarization are people having issue with? Is it the riot gear and equipment during riot events? Or regular patrol officers having AR15’s? Shotguns equipped in police vehicles? Is it the SWAT teams and their tools?
Good. Hope the scumbag is convicted.
My dude, you’re literally a cop. Of course you find all of this outlandish.
Look at this for a headline. I actually laughed out loud at it which i know isnt the correct repsonse but its funny the hoops so media jump through not to call a spade a spade
Regular patrol having AR15s is one, could probably be restricted just to SWAT units without posing any risk to patrol officers. Even SWAT should mainly be equipped with submachineguns due to the lower velocity and therefore lower risk of the round hitting someone far from the intended target/threat.
And also more symbolic, but I never understood why so many SWAT teams seemed to go from primarily wearing black, to nowadays wearing camouflage? Are they having that many operations out in the woods? Like I said, it is symbolic but the police of any country is not supposed to look like that same country's infantry.
Doesn't mean you should be murdered for a fraudulent check while 3 coppers stand by and watch you die. Is it right for someone to be killed by police for crimes like these? Is it ok for police to rampage through a neighborhood putting everyone at risk because someone stole a car radio and then gun them down? Tell me, as a police officer in this country, what crimes should constitute a death sentance by police?
I'm confused as to how unarmed people are killed by officers in the process of an arrest for selling loose cigarettes.
Definately not you, I can tell you have a good grasp of your responsibilities but collectively you guys just have no shame and a lot of you are a disgrace to the badge simply because you protect each other when you actually witnessing crimes committed by your colleagues. You are not above the law and that's the problem you guys have right now.
It isn’t just me, dude.
What does it mean to be charged with 3rd degree murder & manslaughter? How do you get two charges out of that?
I dont want to get into the cops and their weapons to much, but i cant see any scenario that they will reduce their armoury, reduce their automatic weapons etc, with so many citizens having weapons.
Great news will be convictions. A show trial, him getting off scott-free and then getting a go-fund me that sets him up for life, is still very probably the more likely outcome.Great news
Agreed on this point. When you have a population so hell bent on having automatic weaponry, you need your police to be at least equally well armed and armoured.
Honestly, if he doesnt face some serious punishment then I imagine the riots will flare up again.
That said, I doubt he would fare too well in prison either.
The two would need to come hand in hand which will never happen.
Why do you even care? I never even replied to your post. Unless of course you're a cop and feel the need to remind us of it again. I actually find it baffling that neither of you even want to acknowledge that Floyd's death could be avoided. Instead, you'd rather go on a tangent about police training etc etc
In this scenario, does anyone have any insight on how they imprison him?
I can't imagine him going to gen pop, but they cant keep him in isolation for 25 years either?
It’s a pretty broad ranging issue, and it is something that has the Koch Institute and ACLU agreeing with one another about...
Public awareness and coverage of police militarization has largely focused on the acquisition of military equipment by police, such as armored vehicles, aircraft, and weapons. Since the early 1990s, the Department of Defense’s 1033 programhas provided local law enforcement agencies access to military-grade equipment. This program, now expanded by President Trump after President Obama attempted to limit its use, allows local law enforcement agencies to receive excess Department of Defense equipment that would otherwise be destroyed because it was no longer useful to the military. Over 8,000 law enforcement agencies have utilized the 1033 program to access more than $6 billion worth of military equipment such as night-vision goggles, machine guns, armored vehicles, bayonets, grenade launchers, and military aircraft. Other itemsthat can be accessed by local law enforcement agencies through the program include field packs, canteens, sleeping bags, and ponchos.
https://www.charleskochinstitute.or...ice-policing-reform/militarization-of-police/
the ACLU’s recent report on police militarization, “War Comes Home,” found that SWAT teams, which were originally devised as special responders for emergency situations, are deployed for drug searches more than they are for all other purposes combined.
The change in equipment is too often paralleled by a corresponding change in attitude whereby police conceive of themselves as “at war” with communities rather than as public servants concerned with keeping their communities safe. We advocate for a return to a less dangerous, more collaborative style of policing. We should not be able to mistake our officers for soldiers.
https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/police-militarization
Fair points. I actually have seen a couple swat teams in different departments with that camo uniform you mentioned. Now that i think if it it is kind of silly. Sheriffs departments are usually tan/green uniform anyway, but i see your point.
In my dept all patrol cars have to check out a shotgun OR ar15, but only a handful are qualified and trained with the AR.
Yeah, I mean like with the LA riots weren't caused by the violence against Rodney King, it was the officers getting away with the worst charges that caused them. This was so vile that it has outraged people to the degree that things are boiling over before the wheels of justice even got a chance to get turning.
If he is convicted and finds himself in prison, he'll be in a protected wing well away from general population. Still, his freedoms removed and him actually serving a proper sentence is better than getting to ride off into the sunset, pension intact, before taking up employment elsewhere once the furore dies down, or the show goes on the road with a new outrage over yet another death of this ilk.
Sorry to be a misery guts, but there's a bloody tapestry for this where justice in these cases is not served.
It's a start.
Perception is everything and I completely agree that the militarisation of the police isn't conducive to improving policing culture on the whole.
We've all heard countless examples of dehumanising language used by police when referring to those they get in to custody.
To be fair to SWAT, in the US they are as heavily armed as they are as a result of the North Hollywood shootout. Hell, it probably contributed to the militarization of all police forces. SWAT also have more and specialized training compared to regular officers so their proficiency isn't in question.
Patrol officers probably shouldn't have AR-15s because their training and proficiency requirements generally aren't all that much. For example, when I go to the gun range, I'll shoot more rounds in one outing than a patrol officer is required to for their yearly certification.
Apologies for posting another one from The Predator but man I forgot how prescient and hard-hitting this album is. Cube even says in a skit (referring to the RK riots) “everything you wanna know about the riot was in the album before the riot”. Anyway..,