Cop in America doing a bad job, again



Apparently they're not gonna get prosecuted.

They’re now convening a Grand Jury. Trials were on hold in some states due to CV19, but there were also delays in the DA’s office and now they’re on the 3rd DA. One guy was a former cop and investigator for the DA.
 
They’re now convening a Grand Jury. Trials were on hold in some states due to CV19, but there were also delays in the DA’s office and now they’re on the 3rd DA. One guy was a former cop and investigator for the DA.
Well, you couldn't get more open and shut than this case. I sincerely hope that these feckers are swiftly brought to justice.
 
I was reading the thread on r/protectandserve (a police sub) and I just noticed how often the word "justification" was used. As in, "yup this is bad, I can't see a justification".

I mean, it's good that they agree the officer is in the wrong here. But this tendency/inclination to find a "justification" feels...weird? You bet if that guy had resisted just a little bit they would have defended the officer.
 
It's Rodney King all over again. What have these poor minorities had to endure before phones and social media were a thing? Just imagine what these pigs are getting away with every day.
 
"During the course of the investigation a physical altercation occurred between the suspect and one of the officers, resulting in the officer receiving minor injuries to his hand."

The fake news media won't even mention the injuries that the police officer suffered in the attack.
 

From that article:

In April 2014, the Better Government Association, a non-partisan watchdog group, reported that the city of Chicago had spent more than $521.3 million in the previous decade on lawsuit settlements, judgments, and legal fees for defenses related to police misconduct. In 2013, the most expensive year, it paid more than $83.6 million.[170]

The city paid a total of $391.5 million in settlements and judgments.

More than a quarter, or $110.3 million, was related to 24 wrongful-conviction lawsuits. A dozen of those 24 involved now-imprisoned [as of April 2014] former Chicago police Cmdr. Jon Burge, whose detectives were accused of torturing confessions out of mostly black male suspects over many years. Overall, the city has paid alleged victims of Burge detectives more than $57 million, records show.[170]

That is just ONE city in the US, not even a state but one city. :confused:
 
I was reading the thread on r/protectandserve (a police sub) and I just noticed how often the word "justification" was used. As in, "yup this is bad, I can't see a justification".

I mean, it's good that they agree the officer is in the wrong here. But this tendency/inclination to find a "justification" feels...weird? You bet if that guy had resisted just a little bit they would have defended the officer.

That's because that is the lens through which LEOs are judged by in regards to use of force and shootings. I'm sure we've all seen many police videos that look awful and get played in social media or the news every day. And while they invoke emotional responses and outrage for the general public, people who work in law enforcement and have the required training usually have a working knowledge of what is justified and what isn't. So in a thread full of cops it's obviously going to be biased, and the "tendency/inclination to find a justification" is always going to be there. That's how our careers live and die so that's the first thing we think about when these incidents surface.

The officer is lapd and I'm sure he's fecked. He completely lost his shit. Could be charged for assault, constitutional violations under the color of authority. Not sure but I'd be surprised if he isn't suspended and then ultimately terminated.
 
That's because that is the lens through which LEOs are judged by in regards to use of force and shootings. I'm sure we've all seen many police videos that look awful and get played in social media or the news every day. And while they invoke emotional responses and outrage for the general public, people who work in law enforcement and have the required training usually have a working knowledge of what is justified and what isn't. So in a thread full of cops it's obviously going to be biased, and the "tendency/inclination to find a justification" is always going to be there. That's how our careers live and die so that's the first thing we think about when these incidents surface.

The officer is lapd and I'm sure he's fecked. He completely lost his shit. Could be charged for assault, constitutional violations under the color of authority. Not sure but I'd be surprised if he isn't suspended and then ultimately terminated.
He'll probably get promoted to Sergeant. I'm more disgusted at his partner who just stood there and watch it happen. I'd love to see figures on how many cops report wrongdoing by other cops.
 
He'll probably get promoted to Sergeant. I'm more disgusted at his partner who just stood there and watch it happen. I'd love to see figures on how many cops report wrongdoing by other cops.
Nah he’ll likely get terminated. His partner looked shocked at what he was doing and froze on the spot. Her reporting him is irrelevant now that there’s video of the incident.
 
Nah he’ll likely get terminated. His partner looked shocked at what he was doing and froze on the spot. Her reporting him is irrelevant now that there’s video of the incident.

Of course it's completely relevant. If it wasn't for the video the pig would have gotten away with it. If you're saying that crooked cops are never called out by their colleagues then that is a big deal.
 
Of course it's completely relevant. If it wasn't for the video the pig would have gotten away with it. If you're saying that crooked cops are never called out by their colleagues then that is a big deal.
That’s speculating. Maybe she would have, maybe not. The case against him no longer rests with her testimony alone now, was my point since there is video. We’ll learn more once the body cam videos are released and get a closer look at what took place.
 
Nah he’ll likely get terminated. His partner looked shocked at what he was doing and froze on the spot. Her reporting him is irrelevant now that there’s video of the incident.

It absolutely is not.

What’s irrelevant is that “the video is enough”.

When she went home that night she didn’t know there was video. Cops looking the other way over shit like every fecking time is half the problem.

I’m sure when Joe Public witnesses a crime and refuses to report it the police will say it’s irrelevant because there’s other evidence available.

The partner is an accessory.
 
That’s speculating. Maybe she would have, maybe not. The case against him no longer rests with her testimony alone now, was my point since there is video. We’ll learn more once the body cam videos are released and get a closer look at what took place.


Are you trained to ever use fists like that to take down people? I mean, sure if you're grappling in a struggle, but as a takedown I can't see how using fists would ever be effective when you have a baton to use.
 
That’s speculating. Maybe she would have, maybe not. The case against him no longer rests with her testimony alone now, was my point since there is video. We’ll learn more once the body cam videos are released and get a closer look at what took place.
That's the whole point. We shouldn't be speculating as to whether a police officer would report a crime committed by a fellow officer. A crime is a crime. If she had reported him the next day, we would have been assured that at least it was being investigated promptly and not just waiting for other corroboratory evidence to materialise.
 
Are you trained to ever use fists like that to take down people? I mean, sure if you're grappling in a struggle, but as a takedown I can't see how using fists would ever be effective when you have a baton to use.
Well, you do whatever you can to detain someone or overcome resistance as long as it’s appropriate. So yes in the academy we did train in punching and kicking, and even in our department biannual refresher training we practice striking. But this incident does not warrant that at all. He wasn’t combative and wasn’t physically or aggressively resisting. I can only guess that maybe the arrestee said something to piss the cop off and he just went into a fit of rage.
 


Why do they always have that redneck/hillbillly look? Turns out the cops had the video from day one and told the family that Arbery had been shot during a burglary. They've only arrested the McMichaels because the video went public. That Sheriff's Dept needs to be investigated and punished but of course nothing will happen.
 
Scary how this thread wouldn't even exist without that video. Makes me wonder them number of people getting killed all over the country in similar situations.
 
Scary how this thread wouldn't even exist without that video. Makes me wonder them number of people getting killed all over the country in similar situations.

Reminds me of Dave Chappelle doing a skit around white people's incredulity at stories of police brutality on black people. But yeah, it's been going on a long time before camera phones.
 
Scary how this thread wouldn't even exist without that video. Makes me wonder them number of people getting killed all over the country in similar situations.

Yep. No one should even remotely surprised that anti-authority/police sentiments have grown strong among black communities in the US. The sad part is that the people who helped create the situation are now the same people who talk about problems with "urban culture". It's not entirely dissimilar to the pre-genocide situation of Jews in Germany and occupied countries. If you put someone in an overcrowded ghetto, deprive them of basic necessities and generally treat them like shit, pretty soon to your eyes they're going to seem like the subhumans you already think they are.

The comparison only goes so far, but I'll be damned if it doesn't apply.
 
To be fair he's a lot bigger than the cop and, from that angle, that means those blows probably didn't do much more than sting.

Pretty embarassing for the cop, really.
So you don't strike somebody like that, the cops in Yankee doodle land are basically a legal gang.
 
Soldiers do this type of training day in and day out and it can still go to shit in a live situation. I bet cops do a bare minimum of tactical training. I did a lot of CQB training and it isn't easy.
Totally agree with you as I've done it myself and it takes a lot for it to go according to plan.
 
So you don't strike somebody like that, the cops in Yankee doodle land are basically a legal gang.

Yeah, I'm not condoning it. The poster I was replying to was wondering how the guy didn't go down from what appeared to be some powerful punches.
 
The phase "A thousand French men can't be wrong" never applied to black people's complaints of law enforcement in their communities. A lot of police officers and lawyers within the US used minorities and their communities to advance their careers through unjust and even illegal methods. It's minorities that make up the vast majority of their prison population and it's not rocket science why this is. Eventually, I do believe their chickens would come home to roost, how; how unfortunately I don't think it would involve a peaceful process.