Because even with the CL victory, he lasted a total of 8months at Chelsea. He was then unemployed for 2 years before being appointed by Schalke where he resigned after 7 months after 2 wins in 10 games. He then joined Villa and was sacked after 4 months.
Conte | Spurs Manager
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Conte has participated in 4 CL campaigns, seems odd, I had to google it too, and those 4 were with 3 different teams. I'm sure his best work in the CL is ahead of him. Not sure if it will come anytime soon as Spurs will obviously prioritize finishing top 4 over the CL, but we shall see.
He also failed in Europe League even with Juve who were dominating Serie A. Couldn't win it with Inter either. His overall European record has been pretty bad.
I don't disagree that he is still in his prime and still has years in front of him to achieve something in Europe, but till then, comparing both and Mourinho in their prime, it's easy to choose Mourinho.
This is his European record.
With Juve
12-13 - (his first season in the CL) - Lost to Bayern in the quarter final. Bayern won the CL
13-14 - Finished 3rd. Lost in the Europa SF to Benfica.
With Chelsea
17-18 - Qualified from a group that had Roma and Atletico. Lost to Barca in the RO16.
With Inter
19-20 Finished 3rd in a group that had Dortmund and Barcelona. Lost Europa Final against Sevilla.
It's not disastrous considering the fact that he's won league title/s everywhere it was expected of him, sure the 3rd place finishes look bad like this, but for a manager who is consistently winning/competing for league titles, he has to improve here only slightly. I'd be okay with the consistent last 8 finishes in the CL, an occasional final here and there.
The thing about CL/KO competitions is that I don't like to judge managers based on them, league finishes and style of football over CL finishes for me. Others can disagree.
He is a niche coach, a league specialist suited to elevate underperforming squads with high potential. And he is darn good at that! There is no need to check every time how long is his d*ck and compare with others… also because, that way, nobody wins: Guardiola is a bald cheque-manager fraud, Klopp wins too little compared with the hype, Ancelotti is too calm for mid-sized clubs and too lazy for structured environments, Simeone is a rabid negative sh*thouser, etc. etc.. You all can see there is no way out… yet real life is much simpler (and forgiving) than that.
The 13-14 European campaign was a huge failure. The fact he couldn't even reach Europe League final later was also a big problem.
It's honestly a bad record for a manager of his caliber and success on domestic level. Mourinho had better success rate in his 4 European campaigns, winning UEFA cup and CL and reaching CL semi with Chelsea.
I do get these depend a lot on luck of the draw and league is a better measurement of consistency, I have said that myself multiple times, but ultimately, it will be a black spot in Conte's career if he couldn't manage at least one European achievement.
That's right, looking at his European exploits in isolation does make for bad reading, but since he has proven his mettle in 2 leagues with 3 different teams, It's only a matter of time he does well in a campaign. The football is the same, I don't look at the CL as an elite competition, as much importance as it holds, it's still football just with room for fewer mistakes and requires a bit of luck.
Jose was different gravy, at their peaks, there are very few managers who can be compared to him. Conte is a very good manager right now, even with his current record, improving in the CL will make him an elite one.
Don't disagree with any of that. I think Conte is one of the best managers at the modern times and he's still young and in his prime. Enough time for him to achieve more both domestically and on European level.
Strong rumours that the first three signings we are aiming for are Bastoni, Perisic and Foster (GK) - Foster and Perisic on a free would be good business and Bastoni would be one of the signings of the summer if we managed to pull it off.
Small but valid correction - Forster, not Foster
So no cycling GK then.
Bastoni would be an absolute coup.
The other two don't really move the needle for me. Perisic has been a very good player for a long time in Italy and is definitely a Conte guy but asking any player to move to the PL at age 33-34 is asking a lot, especially when they play a position that is probably one of the most physically demanding.
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The 150 million war chest
He is better in term of demanding to the board , if you don't realize half of spurs starting eleven now are different than what they are under Jose.
2 things that led to Jose’s downfall at spurs
1. Not demanding a DOF before signing luis campos was there levy didn’t get him in should of demanded him like Paratici and conte
2. Not publicly complaining about Enic more, Conte done it constantly and made them cave in and invest.
Understand why jose didn’t do the latter btw, he was already getting pelters from english media and what not for just buying success and complaining etc so would of given them ammo felt like he wanted to prove people wrong instead of sticking to the proven formula for success
But in term of winning jose is still better. Conte already bottled all the cup he could possibly win this season. Including conference league , next season he demanded to bring another 6 new signing so there will be no excuse to be trophyless again.
Perisic would be a good signing TBF. Similar to when Milner joined the scousers. Gives them good squad depth and Conte knows how to use him.
Conte is an excellent manager, he's an absolute winner in the league, there's no denying that.
However, like Jose, the worry for me is when the winner isn't winning. I know he won the league with Chelsea when Klopp & Pep were in the league, but they hadn't built the winning machines they are now.
So even with Conte's very impressive league record, has he ever had to compete against 2 machines like City or Liverpool? If he doesn't reach their standards, will he be content with that, can he accept that, or will he demand more of the club and players until they get to breaking point?
The club look like they are going all in for him this season, which is fair enough, but can they do that in multiple windows? Can they convince him to build the club over time, to sign a new contract, to move his family over & settle over here? Because until that happens, it's hard to look at it as anything other than hes looking for a quick, sharp, short reign.
However, like Jose, the worry for me is when the winner isn't winning. I know he won the league with Chelsea when Klopp & Pep were in the league, but they hadn't built the winning machines they are now.
So even with Conte's very impressive league record, has he ever had to compete against 2 machines like City or Liverpool? If he doesn't reach their standards, will he be content with that, can he accept that, or will he demand more of the club and players until they get to breaking point?
The club look like they are going all in for him this season, which is fair enough, but can they do that in multiple windows? Can they convince him to build the club over time, to sign a new contract, to move his family over & settle over here? Because until that happens, it's hard to look at it as anything other than hes looking for a quick, sharp, short reign.
You can ask the same questions about ETH, Arteta, anyone.
And what do you mean by "breaking point"?
Conte doesn't need to beat them directly but outperform them in league against lower teams ranked below them. For that they have two precious players in Kane and son. He will definitely strengthen them with marginal upgrades to create a strong unit.
Of course nothing is given in premier league but fitness,diet demands from him strengthen them within. He can win them some 25 games from teams below them. Some draws and few wins above them make them 80+ team. So i don't think it's not beyond their reach to chellenge for title.
Don't mention Perisic or you will get inundated with posts from Mourinho haters.
I don't know what his fitness levels are like, but at his age I'd imagine he'll be used generally on a rotational basis - maybe 1 game played, followed by 1 game rested - coming in for the more important or difficult games.
If he's used mainly on the left side, which is where I gather he usually plays, and if we sign a left-side CB as first choice ahead of Ben Davies, then Davies and/or Sessegnon could be used as the wingback rotation for Persic. I'm not sure if Reguillon is staying or going.
Yeah as a wingback he will be very good. It's weird too, Conte sent him on loan because he didn't like the profile of player or because Perisic didn't want to play as wing back (not sure about the reason) now he is signing him.
He will be easily their first choice wingback and arguably Inter's best player.
He played over 40 games for Inter last season. I expect him to be our first choice left back with Sess being his backup but yes there will be rotation of course.
Won the league with Perisic at LWB, so guess they both saw the light in the end
Big pickup for Spurs. Expensive(inter were offering in the region of £180k a week) too
Bastoni would cost a bomb. Only way he leaves Inter is they push him out, and they push him out for a monster offer
Yeah he had all attributes to be very good wingback, as usual Conte is elite coach who knows how to get best out of his players.
Won't be surprised if they finish 3rd next season.
Bissouma for 25m. Not bad. Conte cannot compete with City but everyone else will probably have have hard time to beat them.
Spurs gave City a hard time last season. Beat them at the Etihad too
Spurs actually match up the best of any team v Man. City in recent times (unless you mean over 38 game season). Have no psychological hang up playing them like Arsenal do.
Spurs look a solid lock for 3rd currently, will have to see what Chelsea do as summer goes on.
I think he is talking about getting ahead of them in the league.
They can do it as they are third favorites now, but most people expect City to win it again.
Pep is just insane and if he gets Haaland to work he will destroy the weaker sides most weeks.
I think what I have seen with Haaland he is best on the counter and not vs parked buses that City face so interesting to see.
I think Haaland in CL does improve City more than he does in the league.
I mean I can see Conte battling Klopp for second spot.
I know conte has a bit of a label of being like a pep, mourinho etc.. in terms of needing big bucks to succeed but he generally seems to do well with getting lesser players performing within his system, he tends to take one team's rejects and make them a valuable in his system like kulusevski, lukaku, moses, sessegnon etc.. and is seemingly rebuilding spurs without having to chase high profile big names for big fees all summer like we have done. For the 80 million we wasted on Maguire, conte could probably rebuild 3 out of 4 positions in our back 4 for the same price.
Agree, hopefully Ten Hag can do the same. Do remember though he had top players at the clubs though. E.g Kane, Son, Kante, Martinez etc
Building a juggernaut by purchasing a sex pest and an ageing Croat
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Haaland at City and Nunez at Liverpool give both those already formidable teams a much needed boost at the striker position, while making Conte's ambition to mount a coup with Spurs, this year or the next, even more difficult. You can't win with a toy car against a tank (two tanks, even worse, Antonio)... you can't eat with 10 euros in a 100 euros restaurant (inflation, Antonio, inflation... it is a 50 pound cheese pub against two 5000 pound-per-night resorts).
Lucky for him.
Last time he could get and have Kante.
This time for Spurs he has a really really DM/Allround CM player in Pierre-Emile Kordt Højbjerg. Will become 27 in Aug. Crucial crucial ingredient and factor behind Conte and Spurs top 4 last season.
And Pierre-Emile Kordt Højbjerg for Denmark? Denmark key key factor and ingredients behind a really strong, good and solid collective team and Denmark.
A hard work aggresive CM player. Consistent and really good with the ball too.
If Conte and Spurs are winning the premier league in the future.
Pierre Højbjerg will be like Kante and Rudiger be really really important key factors and ingredients.
With a strong and solid central spine in
Pierre Højbjerg CM - Kane CF -CB and GK. I would consider Spurs up there.
Maybe Conte is missing a Rudiger as CB and Lhoris good enough?
But for top 4 last season and future premier league title. If you have Kante, Hæjbjerg make your team hard to beat. Solid rock defend + plus really good attack. Special counter attacking like Leicester winning season.
I will not write off Conte winning premier league for Spurs in the future. You never know. Because with Pierre Højbjerg, A world class CB and a strong central spine and squad depth. It can happen and its not unrealistic target and goal.
Last time he could get and have Kante.
This time for Spurs he has a really really DM/Allround CM player in Pierre-Emile Kordt Højbjerg. Will become 27 in Aug. Crucial crucial ingredient and factor behind Conte and Spurs top 4 last season.
And Pierre-Emile Kordt Højbjerg for Denmark? Denmark key key factor and ingredients behind a really strong, good and solid collective team and Denmark.
A hard work aggresive CM player. Consistent and really good with the ball too.
If Conte and Spurs are winning the premier league in the future.
Pierre Højbjerg will be like Kante and Rudiger be really really important key factors and ingredients.
With a strong and solid central spine in
Pierre Højbjerg CM - Kane CF -CB and GK. I would consider Spurs up there.
Maybe Conte is missing a Rudiger as CB and Lhoris good enough?
But for top 4 last season and future premier league title. If you have Kante, Hæjbjerg make your team hard to beat. Solid rock defend + plus really good attack. Special counter attacking like Leicester winning season.
I will not write off Conte winning premier league for Spurs in the future. You never know. Because with Pierre Højbjerg, A world class CB and a strong central spine and squad depth. It can happen and its not unrealistic target and goal.
After you sack Jose, you hire him. Simple algorithm. He does well with Jose's squad.
Those titles comparisons: you could have 10 Jurgen Klopps and 10 Guardiolas managing in the Premier League and in the end only one would win the league.
What planet are you living on? This is Spurs you're talking about. They will never win the league.And the hype with Højbjerg, he isn't that good.
Conte is surely not going to be judged on whether he can compete with City & Liverpool next season. A good season for him and Spurs would be consolidating a top four place, perhaps even 3rd, and either going fairly deep in the CL or winning a domestic cup. I know a lot of Spurs fans and they would be delighted with that.
I know everyone gets carried away by whoever they consider to be an elite manager these days, but I watch almost every Spurs game and whilst they did finish 4th and deserve credit for that, they flattered to deceive A LOT and needed to rely on Arsenal failing in order to succeed. They have done nowhere near enough to now to be talked about as contenders, or on the other hand for supporters to put unrealistic expectations on what Conte should achieve.
I know everyone gets carried away by whoever they consider to be an elite manager these days, but I watch almost every Spurs game and whilst they did finish 4th and deserve credit for that, they flattered to deceive A LOT and needed to rely on Arsenal failing in order to succeed. They have done nowhere near enough to now to be talked about as contenders, or on the other hand for supporters to put unrealistic expectations on what Conte should achieve.