Why have Paddy Power put a statue of Paddy Ashdown outside Anfield?
Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
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Let's not go for that one! We all know what followed - and now that video of Van Gaal speaking to the masses from a balcony in Bavaria takes on a whole new meaning...
Hehe - yeah, that'll do.
Paddy Power have taken it too far with this. What's worse is that, as the picture shows, the Liverpool fans are revelling in it and taking photos with the statue. Genuinely don't understand what Paddy Power get out of this either? The grim reaper stunt was done while Moyes was in post. Now Moyes has been axed what's the point? I hope Chelsea win today.
They're The Sun of betting shops. Twats.
I doubt it,I do think he will be back managing a club after the world cup though.
People think they're twats, and then the try to make money from them by betting. Lots of people bet more, and they make their money. Publicity stunts seem to work for betting shops.
Publicity.
Then people are bigger twats than Paddy Power, chief.
Unfortunately, yes. "The greater fool is someone with the perfect blend of self delusion and ego to think that he can succeed where others have failed."
Almost as big a level of twat as Paddy Power, to be fair they're hard to beat in their twattery. Suarez manages it, but he's special.
What's also being widely overlooked is Moyes' total inflexibility and stubborness in the job. Sir Alex was big enough to step back and delegate, let others more qualified do what they did best, cos he couldn't. That's what makes a top manager. And he players saw through Moyes and his lack of vision straight away, carried on playing but are now being lambasted which is over the top.
Moyes apparently found the magnitude and pressure of the job daunting, including all the tasks behind the scenes, but he still chose to coach the players even though he was not up to scratch tactically or otherwise. While he ignored verbal agreements about keeping the continuity of the coaching staff too. He only has himself to blame, but the ABUs in the media and beyond need to whinge about something.
If it ever comes out that Moyes turned those players down/let them get away because he wasn't sure if they'd fit then he never deserves to manage another top team ever again as far as I'm concerned. You'd be insane to hire him if you were a chairman.
Surely chairmen call old teams to get a managers reference?
I don't disagree when anything you have said Steve. Without doubt, he was out his depth and as a result grew a set of deaf ears and stuck his head in the transfer market sand. He actions smack of panic and fear. The players pretty much stuck their head in the sand too and left his weaknesses exposed.
I think we need some real strength as well as Giggs' motivational bandwagon. The club needs a strong manager, no question.
Brillant! And he succeeded a Czar.
Yep. Good post.
The Weimar one
Thinking of also including William Henry Harrison-an American president who stubbornly refused to dress appropriately for his inauguration, during which he made a two-hour speech. He contracted pneumonia and died one month later.
This thread should just be renamed the Moyes haters thread.
Where's the hate? A few of us have never been through a managerial sacking and there's a lot to discuss, don't see what's wrong with that.
Alot to discuss and no hate
are you kidding me, it's one pathetic insult after another, there is no discussion. Childish pathetic insults, that's all this thread has become. Ppl having some strange belief their insult is better than the one before. The man has been sacked, the jokes weren't funny before and they are not funny now.I get happy every time I see this topic title.
Alot to discuss and no hate
Can you point out the hate and insults? There's only a few.
What an absolute clusterfeck of an article, it should have been titled : Excuses, excuses, excuses: by David Moyes.
The continued suggestion that he had no idea his job was in any kind of danger is laughable, i don't think Moyes is a stupid man he can't be to have gotten as far as he has in management as such he will have known there was a real danger he was going to get the boot at the end of the season, or once he failed to qualify for the CL he did after all willingly sign a contract with this clause inserted, no one forced him to do that.
Again the club getting criticized for waiting until it was mathematically impossible for qualify for the CL so he got a lesser pay out, well that was the whole purpose of the clause why are people having problems understanding that. Also why should the club have sacked him earlier and as a result give him a bigger financial reward for his failure when the team was not going to get into the CL anyway, makes no sense what so ever.
This bit if he really said it is absurd, yeah because the group of players he took over were not known as a team who possessed fight and spirit. What a load of horseshit he was just as culpable for every limp performance as the players. He sounds like a man totally unwilling to accept responsibility for the disaster of a season he presided over.
If he was unable to go to carrington how was it then that he was pictured being driven to the place last may by Ferguson, which was plastered over every newspaper and sports station. So that part is complete bullshit. What it seems actually happened was Moyes decided to piss off on holiday for 6 weeks once the season ended probably thinking that now he has lots of money to spend signing players will be a piece of piss once he gets back in july. There were rumours the Glazers & Woodward first had doubts about Moyes as early as last summer due to his seemingly lackadaisical attitude in identifying targets.
The article he quotes Rene from also has Mulensteen stating he met and spoke with Moyes, he even said he offered Moyes advice. Which would seem to contradict the articles assertion that Moyes never had a chance to speak to Rene before he decided to leave.
Moyes was given an opportunity of a life time that a lot of people felt he never deserved, for multiple reasons and i am sure despite his best efforts he blew it big time. There is no way he seriously thought Manchester United would stand still and wait while he spent 2-3 years discarding and replacing players he didn't have the talent to win over and get the best out of.
It's over now and he should accept the fact that it was largely down to the mistakes he made and his decisions that didn't work out. This article sounds like it was spoon fed from Moyes himself, its as if he really thinks the world and his dog conspired to sabotage and derail his big chance, instead of the much more likely reason that he simply didn't have the right mentality and wasn't good enough for this level.
Any chance you can post the whole thing? Times has a paywall up and I won't give Murdoch a fecking penny.
Mel posted the whole article on the pervious page.
Mel_F posted the the complete article on page 144 mate.
This is just a few, god knows how many are in the thread, you call this discussion?
wtf! I found this image today! Look at him! Never has he looked so happy!
Another thing that irks me about that article is Moyes babbling on about no one from the board telling him that results need to improve. It implies that he was coasting, did he not know himself that results needed to improve?! If the Glazer's had expressed dissatisfaction with the results what difference would it have made to his management?
None of them were around when SAF was appointed and did worse than Moyes in his first season.
And how would you know that???
Everyone entitled to their opinions just as much as you are.
Alot to discuss and no hate
Any criticism of Moyes is hate in your book.
Everything the "haters" said about Moyes was proven to be correct.
I was - and it was a totally different situation then. Ferguson inherited a drinking den and not the ruling Champions. Very, very different. And what's being around then got to do with it anyway? Can you only discuss things that happened when you were around? In that case most of us can't discuss the Second World War and I bet I'm one of the only people on this board entitled to talk about England winning the world cup. Never understood this argument.
Actually they were. Long before SAF was appointed. Such a pathetic assumption just cos they rightly criticise a totally inept manager.
And what's wrong with hating Moyes? He completely ruined our club this season. He brought in his own coaches after telling SAF he would keep the original staff who had been responsible for so much success and replaced them with his muppets and their half-arsed ideas. He wrongly changed tactics and then questioned whether SAF could do better with the same players when he couldn't. And still he refuses to take the rap for that.
And it's been said a million times but cos you missed it, here it is again...SAF didn't take over a top side in his first season. Far from it. That's why comparing the two managers is just plain ridiculous.
Not this stupid argument again.
-Ferguson's CV was of a winner when he arrived at Old Traffford.
- Ferguson did not inherit the champions nor the global beast that is Man United now.
- Ferguson had a plan and it started with the youth system. He was building something, which allowed management to ignore the complaints and stick with him.
Moyes didn't have any of these things going for him. All he was doing was dismantling a winning formula. He was ripping the soul out of United.
PLEASE STOP WITH THE STUPID COMPARISONS.
-Ferguson's CV was of a winner when he arrived at Old Traffford.
- Ferguson did not inherit the champions nor the global beast that is Man United now.
- Ferguson had a plan and it started with the youth system. He was building something, which allowed management to ignore the complaints and stick with him.
Moyes didn't have any of these things going for him. All he was doing was dismantling a winning formula. He was ripping the soul out of United.
PLEASE STOP WITH THE STUPID COMPARISONS.
Moyes has always been stubborn, set in his ways and unwilling to listen to anyone else's opinion but his own. That's why he brought in his gophers Round and Lumsden. He has been hoisted by his own petard and it serves him right.
What when he came second in the league in his first full season?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987–88_Football_League#Final_league_tables_and_results
Ta mate.
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