Commonwealth games accommodations in Dehli - Unfit for humans

Ive never had much interest in visiting India.
Id like to say that theres some great principle involved. But actually it revolves around my own cowardice and guilt......guilt that I am enjoying a decent life style and it is at other peoples expense and cowardice in the sense that I like to turn my eyes away from such things.....because it forces me to do something......which is always too little.
Its how I deal with it. Maybe its how some of you deal with it.
Others might prefer to say "who cares?"
Effectively they are the same thing...a way to deal with it.

Actually I dont think that this Indian crisis can be seen in isolation from the Pakistan cricket crisis.
The Indian crisis feeds into a western notion that Indians are somehow more incompetent at dealing with things......not to mention the hygene issue.........and frankly it doesnt help when an Indian minister says that "the western standards are different" (ie in our terms "higher")

The Pakistan cricket controversy is similar in that theres a very unsubtle thread in the media, internet and water cooler conversations that there are different ethical standards applying. "Our boys" would not do this sorta thing.
And whatever the merits or otherwise of the two crises....thats slightly unhealthy.
And I myself in both conversations would allude to the impoverished state of both India and Pakistan and mumble about how this money could be better spent.
As has been pointed out the perceived risk in holding the World Cup in South Africa...turned out to be a triumph while holding the 1972 Olympics in (western) Munich was a tragedy.
And in terms of site delivery...infrastructure......security......London has still to happen.

We are in danger of having a two tier sports system operating in the World. Maybe it already exists to at least some degree and confining international sport to the "First World".
The Commonwealth Games has always been a mismatch.......some sprinters from the West Indies and african long distance runners wont make up for the fact that its about Canada, Australia, England......with New Zealand, Scotland and a few others doing well. Cue BBC Commentator using the phrase "the Friendly Games" and talking about the plucky swimmer from St Lucia and the plucky rifle shooter from from Norfolk Island.
 
Oh dear..

According to the BBC:

1. Athletes' village - Indian media reports only 18 of 34 towers are completed
2. Yamuna River - flooded in worst monsoon rain for 30 years, leaving pools attracting mosquitoes
3. Nehru Stadium - part of false ceiling collapsed in weightlifting area
4. Bridge leading to the Nehru Stadium - collapsed on Tuesday
5. Jama Masjid Mosque - Two tourists injured in shooting near mosque, Indian Mujahideen threatens more attacks
6. Shivaji Stadium - no longer to be used as a venue because it was not going to be ready in time
7. Yamuna Sports Complex - roof damaged by heavy rain in July


BBC News - Delhi Games will meet standard, foreign minister says
 
According to the BBC:

1. Athletes' village - Indian media reports only 18 of 34 towers are completed
2. Yamuna River - flooded in worst monsoon rain for 30 years, leaving pools attracting mosquitoes
3. Nehru Stadium - part of false ceiling collapsed in weightlifting area
4. Bridge leading to the Nehru Stadium - collapsed on Tuesday
5. Jama Masjid Mosque - Two tourists injured in shooting near mosque, Indian Mujahideen threatens more attacks
6. Shivaji Stadium - no longer to be used as a venue because it was not going to be ready in time
7. Yamuna Sports Complex - roof damaged by heavy rain in July


BBC News - Delhi Games will meet standard, foreign minister says

This is actually not the cause of the Dengue fever + malaria outbreak in Dehli, and the massive mosquito manifestation.

The organizers decided to plant 100,000 plants to beautify the city, so they dug the holes, but have not put the plants in yet...with it being monsoon season, I think you can figure out the rest.

Basically a ton of sitting filthy pools of water, all of which are perfect for mosquito larvae, and voila!
 
The Commonwealth Games has always been a mismatch.......some sprinters from the West Indies and african long distance runners wont make up for the fact that its about Canada, Australia, England......with New Zealand, Scotland and a few others doing well. Cue BBC Commentator using the phrase "the Friendly Games" and talking about the plucky swimmer from St Lucia and the plucky rifle shooter from from Norfolk Island.


I don't have a problem with much of what you've said, but the athletics is actually one of the strong points of the commonwealth games...africans are the world leaders in the distance events, and the sprint events are headed by athletes from T & T, Jamaica, Barbados etc etc...

It's some of the other events that are a farce...

Even the swimming is decent now, with Canada, Australia, and the British(improving).
 
These feckers need to be shot in the head on live tv :mad:

Line them up and give me a gun, I'll shoot them myself. Damn the consequences. :mad:

Corrpution was always a part & parcel of living in India, but some people have definitely over reached themselves. Anybody who played a part in this is a traitor and must be handled as such. Death is too cheap a punishment for this.
 
Bloody hell, even Manchester was able to pull this off, it's not the fecking Olympics. If this all gets canned, India can forget about trying to hold a major sporting event for a very long time. If it had been a Cricket Wolrd Cup though, everything would have been spick and spam two years ago.
 
Cricket is a different case. The overall infrastructure requirement here is different. the world cup is next year though.

It is not the case of India not having the capability but rather the lack of planning and corruption in here. Its funny when you think these guys who are planning the CG were talking about Olympics without the necessary Sports development in the country.
 
First problem, work started way too late. For 4-5 years files just kept being moved around in typical Indian Bureaucratic style.

Then no single body to oversee the whole operation. Delhi Govt is responsible for one thing, a Central Govt Dept for another, Sports ministry for another etc etc.

Corrupt elements saw this as free for all loot given the amount of money involved and opportunity offered via handling of so many contracts.
 
Surely there is somebody in the Commonwealth games organisational committee that knew of these problems months ago. For example the IOC have made several trips to London to check on the progress/standard of the facilities. This seems to have come to light far too late for things to be rectified and/or alternative arrangments to be made.

If people from the Committee had been on the ball, then they would have pressurised people into ensuring things were completed on time. It would have saved India a lot of embarrassment.
 
Surely there is somebody in the Commonwealth games organisational committee that knew of these problems months ago. For example the IOC have made several trips to London to check on the progress/standard of the facilities. This seems to have come to light far too late for things to be rectified and/or alternative arrangments to be made.

If people from the Committee had been on the ball, then they would have pressurised people into ensuring things were completed on time. It would have saved India a lot of embarrassment.

actually that did happen, but all the happened was that the head of the OC wanted the CEO of the CGF (Commonwealth Games Federation) sacked for his comments.
Total incompetence (corruption goes without saying)
 
The ex-Sports Minister(Mani Shankar Aiyar) is openly praying for the games to fail.

This is a piece he wrote a while back, stating why he was against the Games, and of course was fired for his opposition to it.

It's a bit of a read, but has some real useful information

A little taste

I didn't read the whole article, but the snippet you posted seems to make sense.

actually that did happen, but all the happened was that the head of the OC wanted the CEO of the CGF (Commonwealth Games Federation) sacked for his comments.
Total incompetence (corruption goes without saying)

Wow, what a shambles. I hope they can salvage a half decent event from this situation.
 
I don't have a problem with much of what you've said, but the athletics is actually one of the strong points of the commonwealth games...africans are the world leaders in the distance events, and the sprint events are headed by athletes from T & T, Jamaica, Barbados etc etc...

It's some of the other events that are a farce...

Even the swimming is decent now, with Canada, Australia, and the British(improving).

71 nations competed at the 2006 Commonwealth Games.
There were 54 Swimming events .......162 medals were won at swimming.
Only 9 won medals in the Swimming.
Australia 24 Gold.....24 Silver......23Bronze
England 8........14................5
Canada 8....8....11
Scotland.....6....3 ......3
South Africa....5...2...5
New Zealand ...1......1 ....5
Wales....1......0......2
Papua New Guinea....1.....0......0
Malaysia ..0....2...0

Now thats not competitive. And I think if we looked at the eight finalists in every event, it would be the same faces over and over.
Olympics, Worlds are obviously a higher standard....but Asian...Pan Ams......Europeans et would be a higher level of competition.
 
Come on guys... its just the press blowing things up. They said the same thing about WC2010 and the English camp not having any running water etc.The Indian press is very free and therefore free to make shit up. "Man with three heads and playing cricket" can be lead story on the news channel there.

The bridge that collapse was only a little (temporary bridge for the rickshaw wallas) and the false ceiling that fell in the gymnastic stadium was just it ... false. Probably a tile or two just fell unfortunately around the same time as the bridge.

This will be fine. Its the Indian (wedding) project management (JIT) method being applied.
 
sglowrider - they actually abandoned a stadium because it was not going to be finished in time, plus a whole host of other problems.

Of course when the whole thing starts, it will be a much better experience than the media is making it out to be, for example the cleanliness issue will be sorted out very quickly(benefit of having a huge population, and low wages :lol:).

But it never looks good when teams threaten to not show up, delay departures, and some athletes actually do pull out.

RSA faced a lot of negativity, but what high profile player said "I'm not going."
 
Corruption.
Corruption is the root cause for many issues. But the main reason here is the incompetency on the supervisor's part. How have they not cleaned all the rooms and locked it prior to the visit of the advance team is really shocking.

I'm sure once the games set-in the hospitality for the participants will be good. I just hope they have the right people in it.
 
John Coates, not making us aussies very popular in India(not that things could any worse, what with the student beatings and killings in the past 12 months)

BBC article
Australia say India should not host Commonwealth Games
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With nine days to the opening ceremony, there is still work to do outside the main venue for the Games - the Jawaharlal Nehru Stadium

India should not have been allowed to host the 2010 Commonwealth Games, according to the Australian Olympic Committee (AOC) president John Coates.

Preparations for the Games, which run from 3-14 October, have been hampered by construction delays and failures.

The athletes' village was described as uninhabitable earlier this week leading several nations to delay travelling to Delhi until the problems are fixed.

Coates said: "In hindsight, no, they shouldn't have been awarded the Games."

Coates was one of the leading members of the organising committee for the Sydney Olympics in 2000, and is also an elected member of the International Olympic Committee's executive board.

He pointed out that while the IOC, which is currently monitoring preparations for the 2012 Olympics in London, has 400 staff, the Commonwealth Games Federation has only five people overseeing Delhi's progress.

"The CGF is under-resourced," he continued. "It doesn't have the ability to monitor the progress of cities in the way the IOC does."

Coates also said that the IOC has contracts in place with London and 2016 Olympic hosts Rio de Janiero to ensure construction proceeds to established deadlines.

"If that had been the case here [in Delhi], then certainly something would have been done a lot sooner because obviously the venues are not ready," he stated.

Delhi is expecting 7,000 athletes and officials to start arriving at the athletes village from Friday.

I've highlighted why things have gone unnoticed till now.
 
:lol: , after all the furore watch the games go ahead. Somehow we seem more adept at last minute fixes than planning a project over a long term.

CWG 2010 : A masterclass in doing nothing for years and doing everything humanely possible in a few months.
 
:lol: , after all the furore watch the games go ahead. Somehow we seem more adept at last minute fixes than planning a project over a long term.

CWG 2010 : A masterclass in doing nothing for years and doing everything humanely possible in a few months.

A nation of procrastinators then? I would fit in quite well there.
 
Even if it goes ahead, the place is going to look like a total tip, and images of said tip wll be broadcast around the world saying "India: Look at us". How much India spends on tourism publicity around the world I don't know, but this isn't going to do it any favours.
 
Even if it goes ahead, the place is going to look like a total tip, and images of said tip wll be broadcast around the world saying "India: Look at us". How much India spends on tourism publicity around the world I don't know, but this isn't going to do it any favours.

That is the worst thing for India - whatever happens now this will be a massive own goal for the image of the whole country across the world.

Anyway I am sure things are not as bad as depicted and hopefully they will just throw armies of workers in there and get a lot of the issues sorted - I seem to remember the Greeks still finishing stuff off even after the Athens Olympics had started so we have seen similar problems even in Europe.
 
45 workers have already died during construction...

Died for the glory of building an icon which in turn will buy them a express reincarnation ticket of a better "being" rather than stuck in a (construction site) purgatory.
 
Breaking News!

Chairman of the Indian Commonwealth games has just tried to hang himself...but the ceiling collapsed.
 
The Games will go ahead.
With Scotland already committed to hosting in 2014, there wont risk a third world boycott of the Glasgow games....and Britain hosting the Olympics in 2012 and England lobbying for the FIFA World Cup (they wont risk losing all those votes).
There are some sports......Bowls for God sake......where this is a show case. And a big day out for Weightlifters etc who would not get a sniff of a medal at the Olympics or Worlds. They wont miss the Commonwealth Games.

Athletes, Swimmers, Cyclists are a different prospect......if they have a training regime which is targetting Olympics, Worlds Europeans whatever...the "big names" dont need the hassle of another "Games" (although some feel an emotional attachment to the Commonwealth Games).

Theres also money involved. The Sports Depts of the broadcasters dont need their colleagues in the News Depts to "exaggerate" the problems.

The World of Sport depends on excellence........physical fitness, health, money, facilities......in the 19th century sport grew out of extra leisure time and universities.........its a slightly uncomfortable feeling to go off to Delhi to celebrate sporting excellence in a nation and sub continent where the imbalance in the world is so obvious. All "Sport" requires a level playing field.
 
Even if it goes ahead, the place is going to look like a total tip, and images of said tip wll be broadcast around the world saying "India: Look at us". How much India spends on tourism publicity around the world I don't know, but this isn't going to do it any favours.

Zilch, whatever is supposed to be spent goes in some minister's pockets

I for one (being Indian) hope the Games get called off (actually moved to Pakistan even) this would cause heads to roll, which is actually what is needed, a big freakin wake up call
 
Zilch, whatever is supposed to be spent goes in some minister's pockets

I for one (being Indian) hope the Games get called off (actually moved to Pakistan even) this would cause heads to roll, which is actually what is needed, a big freakin wake up call

:lol: thats the only place that could even feck it up more than us.

all that being said i guarantee we will pull it off minutes before the game actually starts!
 
:lol: thats the only place that could even feck it up more than us.

all that being said i guarantee we will pull it off minutes before the game actually starts!

thats what shouldn't happen, because people will forget the feckup's from the authorities and all will be forgiven because of the "great show" we managed to pull off

there are deeper seated concerns here, which will come out (and hopefully solved) only in case of international shame blah blah
 
thats what shouldn't happen, because people will forget the feckup's from the authorities and all will be forgiven because of the "great show" we managed to pull off

there are deeper seated concerns here, which will come out (and hopefully solved) only in case of international shame blah blah

as you should know work here is done last minute!

chalta hai :D
 
Local wildlife invades the Games...

Nearly 100 dengue cases in a day in Delhi, total reaches 2,728
PTI, Sep 24, 2010, 09.02pm IST

NEW DELHI: The national capital remained in the grip of dengue fever with a whopping 97 fresh cases being reported today, taking the total number of patients suffering from the vector-borne disease to 2,728.

The capital has reported five dengue deaths this season. The MCD has said students and working population are most prone to the disease and appealed to the heads of schools, offices and commercial establishments to take adequate precautions.

The civic bodies are attributing the rapid increase in dengue cases this season to prolonged monsoon and stagnation of water at Commonwealth Games construction sites.

The dengue outbreak has also raised concern among several countries which are participating in the Games to be held here from October 3.

India has issued a health advisory for participants and visitors coming for the event asking them to take precautions like carrying full-sleeve clothes and bringing mosquito repellent creams, mats or coils.

The city has also reported eight chikangunya cases this season.


Read more: Nearly 100 dengue cases in a day in Delhi, total reaches 2,728 - The Times of India Nearly 100 dengue cases in a day in Delhi, total reaches 2,728 - The Times of India
 
meh...what good is it traveling to the subcontinent if you don't give the good old anti malarial shots/tablets a decent outing.