Music Commercial Hip Hop Thread

ArmchairCritic said:
Yeah I think I've been overly presumptuous in discerning what you are trying to say, I apologize, you are right there needs to be a line drawn. Fundamentally Migos/Thug/Future etc. rap more than they sing, but they do associate with melody a lot. What's happened is guys like PartyNextDoor, Bryson Tiller have twigged what those guys do and now their R&B builds on that which muddies the waters for urban music in general. I don't like the notion of sub-genres like trap etc. because I think it's an unfair reduction of what the artist does and I think it allows people to decry specific styles of rap as ignorant and unintelligent.
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Exactly the lines do get muddy, I will happily listen to PND over Thug/Future because that's just my personal preference. Drake is another who builds a lot of his sound by combining melodies and raps.
I think you don't like the notion of sub genres because you are such a fan of the very music it would fall under, but ultimately it is a sub-genre. Trap is certainly better than mumble rap which definitely undermines it.
 
vi1lain said:
Exactly the lines do get muddy, I will happily listen to PND over Thug/Future because that's just my personal preference. Drake is another who builds a lot of his sound by combining melodies and raps.
I think you don't like the notion of sub genres because you are such a fan of the very music it would fall under, but ultimately it is a sub-genre. Trap is certainly better than mumble rap which definitely undermines it.
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Honestly that's not why, it's because of the attitudes of the above. Future can say shit 'I'm an addict and I can't even hide it' or 'The pain from the slums had me numb' but there's a whole slew of people who refuse to engage that vulnerability and honesty because he doesn't fit their prototype of what rap is, like it's fine if it's not for you but there's an instant dismissal of southern rap because of accents. It's like people hear a Southern accent and trap hi-hats and automatically switch off their brain because nothing of worth can possibly come from it.

What Future spent most of 2015 is little different to what Kendrick rapped about in 2015 (vices, depression, the hood etc) and I say that as the author of the Kendrick thread on here. The themes are common even if the delivery is different.

I don't mind street rap because trap is also an EDM genre, which sucks.
 
"Real hip hop" fan:

ODB rapping incomprehensible = genius
Mumble rap = Crap

Who cares if you don't understand what they say, I really like the way mumble rappers ride on the beat.

Hip hop is evolving, like any other genre, I bet people said the same about gangsta rap back in the day .
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Honestly that's not why, it's because of the attitudes of the above. Future can say shit 'I'm an addict and I can't even hide it' or 'The pain from the slums had me numb' but there's a whole slew of people who refuse to engage that vulnerability and honesty because he doesn't fit their prototype of what rap is, like it's fine if it's not for you but there's an instant dismissal of southern rap because of accents. It's like people hear a Southern accent and trap hi-hats and automatically switch off their brain because nothing of worth can possibly come from it.

What Future spent most of 2015 is little different to what Kendrick rapped about in 2015 (vices, depression, the hood etc) and I say that as the author of the Kendrick thread on here. The themes are common even if the delivery is different.

I don't mind street rap because trap is also an EDM genre, which sucks.
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Yeah but again you'll get that in any genre, some people don't accept Beyonce sings about similar things to Erykah because she wears a body suit and weaves, therefore how could she possibly have depth?
So I understand what you're saying and I empathise with it a lot but people are allowed to have their opinions.
Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time, but do I care to listen to him? Nope, never have.
People are entitled to think mumble rappers are mindless idiots too.

Street rap hmmm nah, most rapper talks about the 'street', it's a central theme of pretty much every rapper except Drake & Lil' Dicky. But lets not get caught up in the semantics - the point is in my opinion it's a sub-genre.
 
vi1lain said:
Yeah but again you'll get that in any genre, some people don't accept Beyonce sings about similar things to Erykah because she wears a body suit and weaves, therefore how could she possibly have depth?
So I understand what you're saying and I empathise with it a lot but people are allowed to have their opinions.
Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time, but do I care to listen to him? Nope, never have.
People are entitled to think mumble rappers are mindless idiots too.

Street rap hmmm nah, most rapper talks about the 'street', it's a central theme of pretty much every rapper except Drake & Lil' Dicky. But lets not get caught up in the semantics - the point is in my opinion it's a sub-genre.
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Do the likes of A Tribe Called Quest, The Roots, Common, Little Brother, Talib Kweli count as "street rap"?
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Do the likes of A Tribe Called Quest, The Roots, Common, Little Brother, Talib Kweli count as "street rap"?
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Backpack rappers aren't they? Which is pretty much dead now.
I was referring to current rappers who actively make music all talk about the streets.
 
vi1lain said:
Yeah but again you'll get that in any genre, some people don't accept Beyonce sings about similar things to Erykah because she wears a body suit and weaves, therefore how could she possibly have depth?
So I understand what you're saying and I empathise with it a lot but people are allowed to have their opinions.
Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time, but do I care to listen to him? Nope, never have.
People are entitled to think mumble rappers are mindless idiots too.

Street rap hmmm nah, most rapper talks about the 'street', it's a central theme of pretty much every rapper except Drake & Lil' Dicky. But lets not get caught up in the semantics - the point is in my opinion it's a sub-genre.
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People are always entitled to their opinion but I know for certain no 'mumble rapper' is making cringeworthy punchlines about rape. Again it's semantics but I fully appreciate your point and I agree, the terminology is up to whomever consumes it.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Most popular rappers today are not talking about the street.
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Eh?
I know I don't listen to mumble rappers, but even Kendrick, J Cole, Big Sean etc talk about the streets regularly. And by association mumble rappers talking about the 'trap' are talking about things affiliated with the streets... guns, crimes, drugs etc.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
People are always entitled to their opinion but I know for certain no 'mumble rapper' is making cringeworthy punchlines about rape. Again it's semantics but I fully appreciate your point and I agree, the terminology is up to whomever consumes it.
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Is Kodak Black a mumble rapper?
Asking cuz he's got a pending rape trial...
 
vi1lain said:
Is Kodak Black a mumble rapper?
Asking cuz he's got a pending rape trial...
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I don't think he is, his raps are quite brutal for a 19 year old, talking about how he has to 'pay for all the shit he did' and how he's 'not a bad kid, I just needed a little guidance'. I take your point but I don't like to talk on legal matters, especially pertaining to rappers who often feel the disproportionate force of the US legal system and it's probably not a thing you should trivialise for the purpose of a rap debate. Kodak's actions are purely his and he will have to live with them. His actions don't undercut Eminem's lyrics.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
I don't think he is, his raps are quite brutal for a 19 year old, talking about how he has to 'pay for all the shit he did' and how he's 'not a bad kid, I just needed a little guidance'. I take your point but I don't like to talk on legal matters, especially pertaining to rappers who often feel the disproportionate force of the US legal system and it's probably not a thing you should trivialise for the purpose of a rap debate. Kodak's actions are purely his and he will have to live with them. His actions don't undercut Eminem's lyrics.
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I was only being pedantic about the line about rape, I know the correlation isn't there. It just so happened that Kodak was released on bail today, that's all :wenger:
 
vi1lain said:
Eh?
I know I don't listen to mumble rappers, but even Kendrick, J Cole, Big Sean etc talk about the streets regularly. And by association mumble rappers talking about the 'trap' are talking about things affiliated with the streets... guns, crimes, drugs etc.
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Kendrick and J Cole rap about the streets the way someone like Mos Def did. Horrified about the conditions surrounding it not glorifying it or claiming to be a participant. I think of street rap as guys like Mobb Deep, DMX or 50 Cent. And guys like Drake, Chance the Rapper, Big Sean, Wale, etc do not really rap about the streets that much either.
 
Theafonis said:
I think Young Thug is probably the best in the hip hop game right now
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R.I.P. Hip Hop.

Badunk said:
This mumble shit is a feckin disgrace to the name of hiphop. I feel sorry for people who think it's any good.
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Amen. It's the absolute lowest form of art when it comes to hip hop. It's absolutely wank.

R.N7 said:
"Real hip hop" fan:

ODB rapping incomprehensible = genius
Mumble rap = Crap

Who cares if you don't understand what they say, I really like the way mumble rappers ride on the beat.

Hip hop is evolving, like any other genre, I bet people said the same about gangsta rap back in the day .
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It's devolving if anything. When people like Young Thug are at the top of the game, there is something very wrong. When you look back at some of the previous people that led the way in hip hop, these guys are a complete embarrassment both musically and intellectually.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Kendrick and J Cole rap about the streets the way someone like Mos Def did. Horrified about the conditions surrounding it not glorifying it or claiming to be a participant. I think of street rap as guys like Mobb Deep, DMX or 50 Cent. And guys like Drake, Chance the Rapper, Big Sean, Wale, etc do not really rap about the streets that much either.
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That's your definition and conditions that apply to street rap
I'm simply saying that most rappers talk about the streets and all off shoots associated including guns, crime, drugs, police etc. And anyone with a half brain can identify the difference between the way 50 talks about the streets and the way Kendrick does. But they're both still talking about the streets at the end of the day.
 
vi1lain said:
That's your definition and conditions that apply to street rap
I'm simply saying that most rappers talk about the streets and all off shoots associated including guns, crime, drugs, police etc. And anyone with a half brain can identify the difference between the way 50 talks about the streets and the way Kendrick does. But they're both still talking about the streets at the end of the day.
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By, that definition so is Drake and Kanye. Hell almost anyone who has written lyrics before have had some about guns, crime, drugs or police.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
By, that definition so is Drake and Kanye. Hell almost anyone who has written lyrics before have had some about guns, crime, drugs or police.
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And that was my point especially given the context I was talking about it in.
 
Seriously though to whoever mentioned Kodak, isn't he fecking great? Just listen to 'too many years, ft PNB rock'.. Only chief keef was better than him at his age. He's obviously a degenerate due to his upbringing and where he was raised but musically i feck him with him.
adexkola said:
Les Migos are dope. Very few artists in the genre can match the energy they bring to any song they own or are featured on. No Label 2 and YRN2 stay on regular rotation for me; ideal before a night out on the town. Their ad-libs are hilarious too.

Also important to note how many artists they have influenced in the game today. I like 21 Savage and his latest tape with Metro Boomin but you see the lineage on it.

On the bolded, it's about balance; that's what Hectic's thread is for :D

Edit: On Plan B, the opening line is...

I gave a bitch a Plan B

Ad-lib: Open your mouth :lol:
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Bro in the words of the legend Mos Def a tall Israeli is running hip hop, Cohen has got me as an enemy for life for not letting them release migo thugging. But when No Label 3 drops.... forget it, its going to be amazing. Also the topic of Young thug needs to be debated. The man can make hits. End of topic, people can call him trash and i get why they would. But tracks like 'Guwop', 'with that' and 'Treasure, ft Zuse' are the most played songs on my phone so I guess I like trash music.
 
I just listened to 'Tha Carter 3' this morning on the train and its still top 10, I don't care what anyone says. Weezy a legend for that one alone, nevermind the 5/6 amazing mixtapes and albums he's made as well. He's also a bit of a prophet, as evidenced by tracks about Kobe, Green bay and Cleveland cavaliers. Edit- also people who love Eminem to death seem to love shitting on Wayne which is weird because Wayne has not only been in the game longer, he's been consistent and he's never had to take fecking 5/6 year long sabbatical like Em. He's been successful as not only a rapper but as part of being in charge of Young money and introducing rappers like Drake and Nicki (though it was gucci who helped her blow initially). Overall if we compare the two and their careers it's not even close. #Freethacarter5
 
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Badunk said:
Weezy is absolute garbage. It's the likes of him that started the fall of hiphop.
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Almost every new rapper out now is the child of Wayne and Kanye, with a splash of Gucci thrown in. I'm a fan of Weezy and think he could rap with the best of them at his peak, but damn there's a big difference between Carter 2 and Carter 4, and I think the influence is more Carter 4 in a lot of newer rappers.
 
Badunk said:
Weezy is absolute garbage. It's the likes of him that started the fall of hiphop.
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Jesus christ :lol::lol:. I can't. Ok I will bite. Why is he garbage? I can post tracks here where he isn't using Autotune and isn't using profanities so vigorously. But then I'm sure you won't have a reason to call him garbage. I'll predict (and correct me if I'm wrong) you have only listened to his commercial stuff?
 
bleezy said:
Almost every new rapper out now is the child of Wayne and Kanye, with a splash of Gucci thrown in. I'm a fan of Weezy and think he could rap with the best of them at his peak, but damn there's a big difference between Carter 2 and Carter 4, and I think the influence is more Carter 4 in a lot of newer rappers.
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Bro, he said Weezy is garbage, i don't think anyone who listened to the Carter 2 or Carter 3 would say that. Either way, the man broke records in fecking '05 he's a legend.
 
Oga on top. said:
I just listened to 'Tha Carter 3' this morning on the train and its still top 10, I don't care what anyone says. Weezy a legend for that one alone, nevermind the 5/6 amazing mixtapes and albums he's made as well. He's also a bit of a prophet, as evidenced by tracks about Kobe, Green bay and Cleveland cavaliers. Edit- also people who love Eminem to death seem to love shitting on Wayne which is weird because Wayne has not only been in the game longer, he's been consistent and he's never had to take fecking 5/6 year long sabbatical like Em. He's been successful as not only a rapper but as part of being in charge of Young money and introducing rappers like Drake and Nicki (though it was gucci who helped her blow initially). Overall if we compare the two and their careers it's not even close. #Freethacarter5
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I like Wayne a lot, but Carter 3 top 10? Not even close. Arguably not even his best album (it's not my favourite Wayne album)
Nicki i'll give you, but Drake had a whole wave of fans already on him who were disappointed to see him sign with Young Money (I was part of the crew) because we thought it would signal a change in style, dumbing down etc. Drake was going to blow up regardless of Wayne, and Wayne's influence isn't the reason Drake is where he is right now. Wayne said years ago that he didn't have to mentor Drake like he did other artists. If Drake wasn't on Young Money he would've been on Roc Nation or Good Music and he'd still be where he is now imo.
That's beside the point - Wayne is a legend and has influenced a lot of rappers, nobody can deny that. Lyrically he has the ability to drop a hot 16 verse too, and the versatility to try new sounds to suit the mood too.
But Carter 3 isn't a top 10 hip hop album of all time. None of his albums are top 10 of ALL time. Top 10 this millennium? Possibly. But all time, nope.
 
vi1lain said:
I like Wayne a lot, but Carter 3 top 10? Not even close. Arguably not even his best album (it's not my favourite Wayne album)
Nicki i'll give you, but Drake had a whole wave of fans already on him who were disappointed to see him sign with Young Money (I was part of the crew) because we thought it would signal a change in style, dumbing down etc. Drake was going to blow up regardless of Wayne, and Wayne's influence isn't the reason Drake is where he is right now. Wayne said years ago that he didn't have to mentor Drake like he did other artists. If Drake wasn't on Young Money he would've been on Roc Nation or Good Music and he'd still be where he is now imo.
That's beside the point - Wayne is a legend and has influenced a lot of rappers, nobody can deny that. Lyrically he has the ability to drop a hot 16 verse too, and the versatility to try new sounds to suit the mood too.
But Carter 3 isn't a top 10 hip hop album of all time. None of his albums are top 10 of ALL time. Top 10 this millennium? Possibly. But all time, nope.
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Good post and I agree with a lot of it, shame you like Drake though :lol:. I low key always liked his music. Take care and so far gone being personal favourites of mine. I just don't connect with Drake all that much, Maybe I envy him haha, this new track he has with Future is incredible. Carter 3 is in my top 10. Its his best album imo, it wouldn't have broke records if it wasn't and I know that sounds stupid btw but I have all his stuff and that was the one I loved from the first time of listening. Either way he's a legend and the fact people still call him trash is mad considering his influence.
 
Oga on top. said:
Good post and I agree with a lot of it, shame you like Drake though :lol:. I low key always liked his music. Take care and so far gone being personal favourites of mine. I just don't connect with Drake all that much, Maybe I envy him haha, this new track he has with Future is incredible. Carter 3 is in my top 10. Its his best album imo, it wouldn't have broke records if it wasn't and I know that sounds stupid btw but I have all his stuff and that was the one I loved from the first time of listening. Either way he's a legend and the fact people still call him trash is mad considering his influence.
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I love Drake, unashamedly. Whole-heartedly (not even sure that's a word?), I have done since Comeback Season, that mixtape still has some of my favourite ever Drake tracks (Going in For Life & Where To Now :drool::drool:)
I just love that I've been present in his journey of him starting out talking about things he wants to achieve, to seeing him actually achieve them - like on Unforgettable on TML he mentions "i'm looking forward to the memories of right now, never forgetting from where I came and no matter where I'm headed I promise to stay the same" and we are literally witnessing the very moment he was talking about then, now, considering his last album was dedicated to his roots and where he came.
I didn't like Views, I've had to hide half the tracks on it, I hope the fame isn't watering down his content, he's on the Jay-Z level status now where he should just focus on the basics and turn them into masterpieces, he doesn't have to try and impress anybody else.


I think we should do a top 10 albums since the 00's it would be interesting to see how many people still have albums like Blueprint in there versus the current sound.
 
bleezy said:
Almost every new rapper out now is the child of Wayne and Kanye, with a splash of Gucci thrown in. I'm a fan of Weezy and think he could rap with the best of them at his peak, but damn there's a big difference between Carter 2 and Carter 4, and I think the influence is more Carter 4 in a lot of newer rappers.
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Couldn't agree more, which is why so many rappers and producers from the 90s are coming out going "Wtf is this shit?" when they hear some of the new artists like Desiigner and Yachty. These gimps are copying the people who were pretty awful in the first place. They're not trying to pick up the torch from Rakim, Nas, Pun, BIG or Big L. Their heroes are the gimmicky autotuned twats that were the death knell of rap music in the early-mid 00s.

Back in the 90s, people originally mocked the south. The slowed down, slurred, basic rhymes, the gaudy Pen & Pixel album covers, the vast amounts of artists called L'il something or Young something. People took the piss. The music hadn't got the lyrical content of the East coast, nor did it have the funky beats or social commentary of a lot of artists from the West coast. It had some club bangers, by the likes of Three Six Mafia, some gangsta shit from the Geto Boys, and some unique artists like Outkast. The rest of it was absolute horseshit. It was full of people who were as lyrically capable as Too $hort. But it was only when record execs and some artists from the East and West saw the numbers that the likes of Master P and them were doing, that people stopped mocking the south and started co-signing it. And that was the beginning of the end. Since then, the bar has dropped so low that the likes of L'il Wayne are being held up as GOATs, and dickheads like DJ Vlad are co-signing the absolute drivel that is 'mumble'.

I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but it's well documented that the CIA were involved in flooding the ghettos with drugs in order to undermine the growing social consciousness of black people in the 60s and 70s. I wouldn't be surpised to find out in 30 years time that they did something similar with hiphop, by promoting utter nonsense so that there wouldn't be any more Ice Cubes, Public Enemies or dead prezs to hold a mirror up to society.
 
Maybe not commercial hip hop, but just seen there's a new LOX album coming out in a few weeks. Guaranteed some hard NY rap from Kiss, Styles and Sheek.

I also need to listen to the new Childish Gambino album. Redbone was a massive swerve from what I was expecting and I loved it. I might not like a whole album of that, but it's got me intrigued.
 
bleezy said:
I also need to listen to the new Childish Gambino album. Redbone was a massive swerve from what I was expecting and I loved it. I might not like a whole album of that, but it's got me intrigued.
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Just finished the new Gambino. If we talk about it in the hip hop thread we'll probably be doing it a disservice, it's a psychedelic soul album through and through.
 
Badunk said:
Couldn't agree more, which is why so many rappers and producers from the 90s are coming out going "Wtf is this shit?" when they hear some of the new artists like Desiigner and Yachty. These gimps are copying the people who were pretty awful in the first place. They're not trying to pick up the torch from Rakim, Nas, Pun, BIG or Big L. Their heroes are the gimmicky autotuned twats that were the death knell of rap music in the early-mid 00s.

Back in the 90s, people originally mocked the south. The slowed down, slurred, basic rhymes, the gaudy Pen & Pixel album covers, the vast amounts of artists called L'il something or Young something. People took the piss. The music hadn't got the lyrical content of the East coast, nor did it have the funky beats or social commentary of a lot of artists from the West coast. It had some club bangers, by the likes of Three Six Mafia, some gangsta shit from the Geto Boys, and some unique artists like Outkast. The rest of it was absolute horseshit. It was full of people who were as lyrically capable as Too $hort. But it was only when record execs and some artists from the East and West saw the numbers that the likes of Master P and them were doing, that people stopped mocking the south and started co-signing it. And that was the beginning of the end. Since then, the bar has dropped so low that the likes of L'il Wayne are being held up as GOATs, and dickheads like DJ Vlad are co-signing the absolute drivel that is 'mumble'.

I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but it's well documented that the CIA were involved in flooding the ghettos with drugs in order to undermine the growing social consciousness of black people in the 60s and 70s. I wouldn't be surpised to find out in 30 years time that they did something similar with hiphop, by promoting utter nonsense so that there wouldn't be any more Ice Cubes, Public Enemies or dead prezs to hold a mirror up to society.
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Technically the CIA weren't flooding ghettos with drugs themselves, they allowed narcotraffickers to operate in ghettos. Same end result but technically different.

About that potential conspiracy theory, I have to disagree with that one. I think overall life has become more comfortable for people in the US and black people have been catching up so sensitive content doesn't appeal that much anymore.
 
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About that potential conspiracy theory, I have to disagree with that one. I think overall life has become more comfortable for people in the US and black people have been catching up so sensitive content doesn't appeal that much anymore.
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This is such a huge coincidence because I've just been discussing the radical change in hip hop, between say, 1986 and this year, with my parents, and we generally came to same conclusion. Whilst racism is still a huge problem in America, a lot of hip hop artists who emerged between the late 80s and the early 00s have all made money, gained social status and started shifting the topical focus of the genre.

A genre that was once exclusively about growing up in the streets, living around drug epidemics, housing crises, losing friends to gang violence, and the desire to escape said environments by making money etc. is now about how they escaped these environments by making money from their music and, in the case of something like 'Hood Politics' off Kendrick's last album, being able to give back to the communities they "escaped", for want of a better term.

It means that the biggest names in the genre, like Kanye, Drake, etc. have got more time to confront things like love, relationships, how they've finally landed on the profitable side of capitalism, the price of fame (My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy for one), their mental health issues and problems with drug abuse (Danny Brown), so of course hip hop heads from the 80s and 90s will be disillusioned with the change. If old hip hop heads want more political and social commentary in the genre then they've got to look deeper.

Kendrick's one example, even if he's one of the biggest stars on the planet now, but you've also got Killer Mike (and Run the Jewels by extension), Akala, Swet Shop Boys, CunninLynguists are still going, the new Common album ("Black America Again") is good, Billy Woods is a good guy to check out. There's more than enough to keep people busy until the next major political artist comes along.
 
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This is such a huge coincidence because I've just been discussing the radical change in hip hop, between say, 1986 and this year, with my parents, and we generally came to same conclusion. Whilst racism is still a huge problem in America, a lot of hip hop artists who emerged between the late 80s and the early 00s have all made money, gained social status and started shifting the topical focus of the genre.

A genre that was once exclusively about growing up in the streets, living around drug epidemics, housing crises, losing friends to gang violence, and the desire to escape said environments by making money etc. is now about how they escaped these environments by making money from their music and, in the case of something like 'Hood Politics' off Kendrick's last album, being able to give back to the communities they "escaped", for want of a better term.

It means that the biggest names in the genre, like Kanye, Drake, etc. have got more time to confront things like love, relationships, how they've finally landed on the profitable side of capitalism, the price of fame (My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy for one), their mental health issues and problems with drug abuse (Danny Brown), so of course hip hop heads from the 80s and 90s will be disillusioned with the change. If old hip hop heads want more political and social commentary in the genre then they've got to look deeper.

Kendrick's one example, even if he's one of the biggest stars on the planet now, but you've also got Killer Mike (and Run the Jewels by extension), Akala, Swet Shop Boys, CunninLynguists are still going, the new Common album ("Black America Again") is good, Billy Woods is a good guy to check out. There's more than enough to keep people busy until the next major political artist comes along.
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I think a big problem is that only a certain type or style of rapper can be perceived as political, because there's no other reason why people wouldn't recognise YG as a 'political rapper'. Meek Mill spends a lot of time rapping about police brutality, the disproportionate force of American legal system and fallen friends but he would never get termed as a 'political rapper'. I think the biggest problem in rap is everyone overthinks everything and completely misses what is right in front of them.

Also the suggestion that young black men being millionaires and bringing their families out of poverty are propped up by the CIA is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Not to mention there is a single thing to back up that up considering how often Migos, Thug etc. have said 'feck The Cops' (feck 12!) just like NWA, not to mention Thug and Migos actively meeting Farrakhan. Chief Keef released 'Back From The Dead' on house arrest after a shootout with the police and is responsible for 90% of the rap styles kids are running with but yes he is a product of the CIA, there's no way he could be an extremely creative, resourceful young black man who birthed his own sub-genre and got him and his mother out of poverty, no sir. It's all just one super elaborate ruse.

Just because you don't like or agree with anything these kids make doesn't mean you should shit on these kids. Spend more time enjoying the music you do like and push that forward instead of being so negative.
 
bleezy said:
Maybe not commercial hip hop, but just seen there's a new LOX album coming out in a few weeks. Guaranteed some hard NY rap from Kiss, Styles and Sheek.
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If there's no Preemo production it's all for nowt.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
I think a big problem is that only a certain type or style of rapper can be perceived as political, because there's no other reason why people wouldn't recognise YG as a 'political rapper'. Meek Mill spends a lot of time rapping about police brutality, the disproportionate force of American legal system and fallen friends but he would never get termed as a 'political rapper'. I think the biggest problem in rap is everyone overthinks everything and completely misses what is right in front of them.

Also the suggestion that young black men being millionaires and bringing their families out of poverty are propped up by the CIA is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Not to mention there is a single thing to back up that up considering how often Migos, Thug etc. have said 'feck The Cops' (feck 12!) just like NWA, not to mention Thug and Migos actively meeting Farrakhan. Chief Keef released 'Back From The Dead' on house arrest after a shootout with the police and is responsible for 90% of the rap styles kids are running with but yes he is a product of the CIA, there's no way he could be an extremely creative, resourceful young black man who birthed his own sub-genre and got him and his mother out of poverty, no sir. It's all just one super elaborate ruse.

Just because you don't like or agree with anything these kids make doesn't mean you should shit on these kids. Spend more time enjoying the music you do like and push that forward instead of being so negative.
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Not sure where this post has come from. I've not suggested anything you think I have.
 
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