Music Commercial Hip Hop Thread

ArmchairCritic said:
For real though I think Meek could outrap Drake in a battle, Meek is from the streets and that is a monumental advantage over whatever Drake can muster (maybe some cute lines about Nicki but that's it). Need Meek to channel his inner Beanie Sigel and stop with the tweets. Also shout out to Meek for calling out Drake because he has to be real even though his boss' entire life story is a complete fabrication.
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What exactly do you mean by "outrap"? Being from the streets means absolutely nothing if bodies aren't getting dropped and Meek just got out of jail I doubt he wants to go back.

How is Ross' entire life story a complete fabrication ? He was a C.O(one of the most corrupt officials on the planet),he got his name from Rick Ross ( the drug dealer) and so did Freeway but i don't see anyone crying about that, Ross(the rapper) also sold drugs in Miami so what exactly is the complete fabrication?

The only thing he didn't do was make his past as a C.O public knowledge.
 
adexkola said:
MEEK ONLY HAS ONE WAY OF RAPPING AND IT'S LIKE THIS AT HIGH VOLUME RIDING DOWN IN PHILLY WITH THE SHOOTERS GOING BANANAS
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Which is kind of what a diss track needs really. Diss songs bring that extra little something out of MC's and worst comes to worst maybe Meek can get Beanie Sigel to ghostwrite a diss song for him in a supreme turn of irony:

 
ArmchairCritic said:
Which is kind of what a diss track needs really. Diss songs bring that extra little something out of MC's and worst comes to worst maybe Meek can get Beanie Sigel to ghostwrite a diss song for him in a supreme turn of irony:

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Don't front though, you read that in Meek Mill's voice
 
dxadel said:
What exactly do you mean by "outrap"? Being from the streets means absolutely nothing if bodies aren't getting dropped and Meek just got out of jail I doubt he wants to go back.

How is Ross' entire life story a complete fabrication ? He was a C.O(one of the most corrupt officials on the planet),he got his name from Rick Ross ( the drug dealer) and so did Freeway but i don't see anyone crying about that, Ross(the rapper) also sold drugs in Miami so what exactly is the complete fabrication?

The only thing he didn't do was make his past as a C.O public knowledge.
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Outrap means outrap, what else does it mean? Being from the streets counts when you are battling against someone who isn't, remember this all about authenticity, so if Meek says he got shooters or he gonna catch a body you will believe that but Drake on the other hand...

Ross is the only rapper to my mind who has rapped about selling drugs and actually worked for the Police *shrugs shoulders*.
 
Remember when Lil B washed Joe Budden:



'How you go mainstream and run back underground?'

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This will always remain conclusive proof to me that any rapper can get it when it comes to diss songs.
 
It is all about creating quality music and Drake wins that over Meek easily. Even stuff like Comeback Season and Thank Me Later were better than Meek's best project. Plus Drake has outshined Meek on every song they did together.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Outrap means outrap, what else does it mean? Being from the streets counts when you are battling against someone who isn't, remember this all about authenticity, so if Meek says he got shooters or he gonna catch a body you will believe that but Drake on the other hand...

Ross is the only rapper to my mind who has rapped about selling drugs and actually worked for the Police *shrugs shoulders*.
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Meek Mill isn't going to outrap Drake - not on a song, not on a diss song, not in a battle.

Being from the streets means absolutely nothing in 2015, Hov,Nas,BDK,Snoop and 95% of the hip hop world came from the streets, Meek Mill is probably one of the few that still takes pride in being a street dude, what is he going to do ? Talk about pulling up on Drizzy ? Who the hell goes to Philly anyway?

BIG wasn't about that gun life (even though he sold dope), but his illustration of catching a body is second to none.

What is Meek even going to rap about ? How do you diss a dude who made 2 of your tracks the biggest songs on both of your projects? Drake is wack but he still ran to him though LMAO.

Big deal! Ross was a correctional officer( the people responsible for smuggling drugs into the prisons) I don't see how that's a problem, 50 (the tough guy) is a snitch.
 
dxadel said:
Meek Mill isn't going to outrap Drake - not on a song, not on a diss song, not in a battle.

Being from the streets means absolutely nothing in 2015, Hov,Nas,BDK,Snoop and 95% of the hip hop world came from the streets, Meek Mill is probably one of the few that still takes pride in being a street dude, what is he going to do ? Talk about pulling up on Drizzy ? Who the hell goes to Philly anyway?

BIG wasn't about that gun life (even though he sold dope), but his illustration of catching a body is second to none.

What is Meek even going to rap about ? How do you diss a dude who made 2 of your tracks the biggest songs on both of your projects? Drake is wack but he still ran to him though LMAO.

Big deal! Ross was a correctional officer( the people responsible for smuggling drugs into the prisons) I don't see how that's a problem, 50 (the tough guy) is a snitch.
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You got it man.
 
Winter 2014… I was just another guy working a job he hated with a passion for music…. And somehow found myself on the phone with One of my idols..

i told him i worked in a bakery and his exact words were “feck that, your destined for greatness"…

Hearing that from someone that I’ve been studying since 2009, bar for bar…. Theres no way to describe that..

Most of the project was done before i came in the picture.. i remember him playing it for me for the first time thinking "Why am I here?” like.. what does he need me for??

The answer is.. Nothing…

I watched this man piece together words in front of me…

I watched him write/ replace bars 2- 3 at a time on 6pm in NY.. I witnessed him light up, go in and freestyle madonna….

I took notes from the best in the game….

I remember him Showing me the thank you notes in NY before the album dropped.. Showing me the QM, telling me they put me on the credits (Ghostwritter???) … He attached my name to something that touched the world..

When nobody would pay attention, drake saw something in me and reached out… Of all people… drizzy..

Two artist in exact opposite spaces in their career.. We came together and made something special..

I am not and never will be a “ghostwriter” for drake.. Im proud to say that we’ve collaborated .. but i could never take credit for anything other than the few songs we worked on together ..

Thats all i have to say on it.. back to this 1317 shit…

- Q.M.
http://quentinmiller.tumblr.com/post/124938364407#_=_
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Quentin Miller Drake's alleged ghostwriter.
 
I have to say all these defenses by Drake's camps are hardly ringing endorsements, as Miller is credited he's not a ghostwriter per se really is he? But then the question is who really cares?
 
dxadel said:
You can do that in most genres and mix tapes were a thing in the 90s too.
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Future just released 3 fire mixtapes in a row and he doubled his first week album sales, building a core fanbase with consistently good music > chasing radio singles.
 
dxadel said:
Who chases radio singles?
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Music labels, Meek just released an album with blatant radio grabs with Nicki Minaj, loads of rappers do it. Heck remember J.Cole with 'Work Out', even good Kid, m.A.A.d city had a blatant radio grab attempt with 'Poetic Justice'. Rappers don't tend to get much a look-in without a radio single, heck look at YG, def Jam didn't want to know him, then Jeezy put My Ni**a on a Jeezy mixtape in August, the shit took off, they released as it a single and he made My Krazy Life. Mixtapes, especially in the modern climate when people are reluctant to buy your music, are the best way to reach the masses.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Music labels, Meek just released an album with blatant radio grabs with Nicki Minaj, loads of rappers do it. Heck remember J.Cole with 'Work Out', even good Kid, m.A.A.d city had a blatant radio grab attempt with 'Poetic Justice'. Rappers don't tend to get much a look-in without a radio single, heck look at YG, def Jam didn't want to know him, then Jeezy put My Ni**a on a Jeezy mixtape in August, the shit took off, they released as it a single and he made My Krazy Life. Mixtapes, especially in the modern climate when people are reluctant to buy your music, are the best way to reach the masses
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I agree, but you also have to think about it this way - as an underground MC you have to sign a record deal and make a name for yourself before you can take the mixtape route, Future was chasing radio singles in 2012/13, you're not going to get a record deal without commercial appeal and you're not going to make major dough as an underground artist.

Future and Curren$y cater to a niche market and they are both unique, which is why they are able to flood the internet with mixtapes- they also make feel good music which works for them.
 
Drake is fecking shit and not a rapper but I find it hilarious that another wack shit like Meek Milly is calling him out.
 
dxadel said:
Why is hip hop like the only genre where artists drop mixtapes or quality music for free?
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You mean physical copy of mixtapes or digitals? Because in Electro it's common, for example Above and Beyond publish a podcast every weeks with various artists.
 
JPRouve said:
You mean physical copy of mixtapes or digitals? Because in Electro it's common, for example Above and Beyond publish a podcast every weeks with various artists.
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Digitals, like you never see major artists of other genres release mixtapes or free albums (frequently), i do remember U2 shoving their album down our throats though.
 
dxadel said:
Digitals, like you never see major artists of other genres release mixtapes or free albums (frequently), i do remember U2 shoving their album down our throats though.
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It probably depends on the economical structure and the targets. Like I said Above and Beyond have a weekly podcast with the biggest name mixing in it.
Any artist who works with a major won't be allowed to do that though.
 
Apart from an established few, there's little money in album sales, especially with a standard record deal.

Touring and merch is where the money is at; look at Tech N9ne for example. The mixtapes come in when attempting to build a fanbase. And for some artists, you'll find their best work on a mixtape. One could argue that Lil Wayne, TI and Jeezy's best works can be found on mixtapes for example, and I know there's more out there.
 
dxadel said:
Why is hip hop like the only genre where artists drop mixtapes or quality music for free?
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I'm under the impression that Hip Hop artists spend a lot of time in studios, they record a lot of songs. I don't really listen Hip Hop, but I know that Jazz and Blues Rock artist don't really like that, they are more stage artists, Studios aren't in their culture. Maybe it's a part of the answer.
 
Meek Mill's Ice Cream Freestyle is the best rap song that's come out this year why do people keep saying he's shit?
 
JPRouve said:
It probably depends on the economical structure and the targets. Like I said Above and Beyond have a weekly podcast with the biggest name mixing in it.
Any artist who works with a major won't be allowed to do that though.
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JPRouve said:
I'm under the impression that Hip Hop artists spend a lot of time in studios, they record a lot of songs. I don't really listen Hip Hop, but I know that Jazz and Blues Rock artist don't really like that, they are more stage artists, Studios aren't in their culture. Maybe it's a part of the answer.
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Yeah, you're probably right.
 
dxadel said:
I agree, but you also have to think about it this way - as an underground MC you have to sign a record deal and make a name for yourself before you can take the mixtape route, Future was chasing radio singles in 2012/13, you're not going to get a record deal without commercial appeal and you're not going to make major dough as an underground artist.

Future and Curren$y cater to a niche market and they are both unique, which is why they are able to flood the internet with mixtapes- they also make feel good music which works for them.
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Future was and he said he didn't enjoy it and now he's back on his original M.O. and it's all good. The major advantage with mixtapes is that you don't really judge them the same as album, so artists can experiment pretty freely and it doesn't matter if 8 songs don't connect as long as the other 8 do.
 
adexkola said:
Apart from an established few, there's little money in album sales, especially with a standard record deal.

Touring and merch is where the money is at; look at Tech N9ne for example. The mixtapes come in when attempting to build a fanbase. And for some artists, you'll find their best work on a mixtape. One could argue that Lil Wayne, TI and Jeezy's best works can be found on mixtapes for example, and I know there's more out there.
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Tech has been on that independent hustle since the late 90s, i dont think his success as an indie artist will ever be replicated, but yeah some artists generally have great mixtapes (not necessarily better than their albums though).
 
I'd wager most of my favourite rap projects actually manifest in mixtapes now anyway.
 
Friday Night Lights >> every album J.cole has ever released
So far gone >> every album Drake has ever released
Dreamchasers 2 >>every album Meek Mill has ever released
Detroit >>every album Big Sean has ever released
Young Sinatra >>every album Logic will ever release
 
Is it just me or have people started buying albums again? i mean Cole went platinum for the first time,K-dot and Drizzy were always going to go platinum,Rocky is on course for another gold album, Meek sold 200k+ the first week and is on course to sell at least 750k,Future is also on course to sell at least 750k, Sean's album is going gold at the end of the year and Nicki's album will probably be platinum by next year.
 
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