College and Pro 'gridiron' fans

Beuerlein was a solid #2 during the 90s...in fact, it was he who guided the Cowboys to their first playoff appearance and win under the Jimmy Johnson regime (1991)...Aikman missed the last 4 games with a knee injury and Beuerlien was 4-0 as a starter (1-1 in the playoffs)...he beat the Bears at Soldier Field before being benched in the 2nd half at Detroit the following week (Lions advanced to NFC Championship Game)...

He's been a solid QB and was a starter in Carolina AC...after collins...he had a splendid 1999 season, topping 4000 yards...however, his elbow is shot now and he has minimum accuracy and arm strength...maybe he will finally retire this year...

Did anyone note the bottom of that caption (beuerlein.jpg)? Was the TV putting out an APB on the person that hit Beuerlein? ;)
 
MrMarcello said:
Did anyone note the bottom of that caption (beuerlein.jpg)? Was the TV putting out an APB on the person that hit Beuerlein? ;)
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I loved Beuerlein for Carolina during the season he was voted to the Pro Bowl and was very happy when the Broncos signed him, but he is washed up now.

APB? I found that picture on the internet and I think the line at the bottom is about a rapist in the Denver area.
 
Jens said:
APB? I found that picture on the internet and I think the line at the bottom is about a rapist in the Denver area.
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5'4"...I'm not one to laugh about rape, but at the height, I can see the local PD..."that's right, a midget"...
 
Raoul said:
Interesting college weekend its been thus far. ;)
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Very interesting first weekend in November, hey? :smirk:

OU and USC would be the logical choice right now to meet in Na'leans. But I've got a feeling we are in for another shocker or two before the bowl bids are handed out. For sure, OU will be there.
 
MrMarcello said:
Very interesting first weekend in November, hey? :smirk:

OU and USC would be the logical choice right now to meet in Na'leans. But I've got a feeling we are in for another shocker or two before the bowl bids are handed out. For sure, OU will be there.
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Why USC they lost to cal? The season is not over yet so it to early to really say but if the following all finish with one loss who deserves it

FSU (loss to Miami)
LSU(loss to Florida)
OSU(loss to wisconsin)
Miami(loss to vatech)
Vtech(loss to wva)

Interesting that these teams lost schools at least ranked this year USC lost to cal

Well??
 
I believe USC will be ranked #2 come Monday...not sure about the BCS standings. Of course, all of this would be solved if the NCAA would get with the program and have a playoff system.
 
I think there should be some shifts here and there before the final BCS rankings come out. I think the Canes will bounce back with Tennessee and Pitt still left on the sched. We're hopefully in the top 4 of the BCS right now and that will hopefully rise as UF and FSU continue to win. (and we hold the head to head over FSU).
 
Raoul said:
I think there should be some shifts here and there before the final BCS rankings come out. I think the Canes will bounce back with Tennessee and Pitt still left on the sched. We're hopefully in the top 4 of the BCS right now and that will hopefully rise as UF and FSU continue to win. (and we hold the head to head over FSU).
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Raoul, You do hold the head to head but if you keep winning that will enhance FSU strength of schedule. If USC loses, and you win out and if FSU wins out we are going to have a similiar situation to what happened 3 years ago. You would need VTECH to run out but that would hurt your claim for the spot since VTECH crushed your team. This really could be the year it blows up in the face of the BCS. I think for now the rating is fair but if USC loses oh my what then??

Oklahoma
USC
 
I know TCU does not have a shot and probably does not deserve a shot, but what happens if OU stumbles against A&M or TT or in the Big XII championship game, and TCU is the only remaining unbeaten team?

Someone could make the claim that the best team in the country (the team that is unbeaten) is not playing for the championship. I mean, think about it...Miami was unbeaten in 1972, but were they really the best team in the NFL? They were underdogs in the SB (have never figured that out :confused: ). But playoffs are a true test to the best team (although any great team can have an off performance and lose- insert Minnesota 1998). So, no one can realistically say that if we had a playoff system, TCU could NOT win the title. I don't believe they would, but shoot, NC State won the March Madness tourney once. Anything can happen. The BCS is supposed to pit the two best teams in the land, but if the two best teams are supposed to be the unbeatens (or at least one unbeaten), how can we assume TCU is not the best team or 2nd best? We don't know how they would fare against OU or FSU or Miami or USC...although we have an OPINION of what might occur.
 
The BCS formula is, of course, fatally flawed because only on the field competition should count between teams, not some pseudo-scientific "strength of schedule," "performance against common opponents under dissimilar conditions," and "ability to run up the score" factors. Kudos to TCU if they go undefeated. Any team that can survive its conference schedule without a defeat has done well (ask Miami, VaTech, or USC).

As a PAC-10 guy, I really couldn't care less who ends up in New Orleans. I think the best team in the PAC should play the best team in the Big 10 (+Penn State) in the Rose Bowl. If you're the best of those 21 teams, who gives a damn what happened elsewhere in the country.
 
manufanatic said:
Raoul, You do hold the head to head but if you keep winning that will enhance FSU strength of schedule. If USC loses, and you win out and if FSU wins out we are going to have a similiar situation to what happened 3 years ago. You would need VTECH to run out but that would hurt your claim for the spot since VTECH crushed your team. This really could be the year it blows up in the face of the BCS. I think for now the rating is fair but if USC loses oh my what then??

Oklahoma
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If either USC or Oklahoma lose, then Miami need to win out and Virginia Tech needs to lose (likely to Pitt this sat) for Miami to get to the Sugar Bowl. I think Miami goes even if FSU are ahead of them in BCS points because of the head to head tie breaker thing that was added after the fiasco three years ago.
 
I think that LSU is beeing really screwed by the BCS.

And how come Miami is ranked higher than VaTech, when the lost to them?
 
Raoul said:
If either USC or Oklahoma lose, then Miami need to win out and Virginia Tech needs to lose (likely to Pitt this sat) for Miami to get to the Sugar Bowl. I think Miami goes even if FSU are ahead of them in BCS points because of the head to head tie breaker thing that was added after the fiasco three years ago.
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You need va tech to run out I think. Im not sure what type of advantage you would gain if Va tech lost and you ran out 11-1. We then would have lost to you a 1 loss miami and you would have lost to a 2 or 3 loss va tech. I cant see them saying Vatech deserves the bid over both of us if we all are 11-1 at the end of the year. But we will see if that happens.
 
MrMarcello said:
I know FresnoBob is not saying the Pac10 and Big 10...err...11...are not better conferences than the Big XII and SEC. I just know he's not.
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I'm not. The SEC is usually the toughest conference top to bottom, and the Big 12 (a conference that can count) has some top-notch teams as well. The point is that I don't believe the BcS system crowns a "true" national champion, but I don't endorse the playoff system either. I'm perfectly content to have the Rose Bowl decide the only championship I care about in college football--the West Coast versus the Great Lakes.
 
manufanatic said:
You need va tech to run out I think. Im not sure what type of advantage you would gain if Va tech lost and you ran out 11-1. We then would have lost to you a 1 loss miami and you would have lost to a 2 or 3 loss va tech. I cant see them saying Vatech deserves the bid over both of us if we all are 11-1 at the end of the year. But we will see if that happens.
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What Miami need are Florida to win out (we already beat them and they still play FSU) and a VTech loss (probably to Pitt this weekend). The BCS points we would gain by having beaten Florida (assuming they win out) could possibly launch us past USC into 2nd. Anyway...things will become alot clearer after this weekend.
 
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What Miami need are Florida to win out (we already beat them and they still play FSU) and a VTech loss (probably to Pitt this weekend). The BCS points we would gain by having beaten Florida (assuming they win out) could possibly launch us past USC into 2nd. Anyway...things will become alot clearer after this weekend.
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Why not just have Oklahoma lose late--like to Nebraska or in the Big 12 championship? A late loss will drop them below USC, Miami, VaTech, and other one-loss wonders, setting up yet another farcical B[c]S Bowl game for the mythical national championship.
 
Raoul said:
What Miami need are Florida to win out (we already beat them and they still play FSU) and a VTech loss (probably to Pitt this weekend). The BCS points we would gain by having beaten Florida (assuming they win out) could possibly launch us past USC into 2nd. Anyway...things will become alot clearer after this weekend.
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Well now that Miami lost, I think the NC game will be between USC and Oklahoma. I think that would be the best matchup. Oh and I hope Coker gets fired over this. :mad:
 
Oklahoma is the most dominant team I have seen since the '95 Nebraska National Champions. No team could play them to within 21 right now...and that includes USC or FSU.
 
MrMarcello said:
Oklahoma is the most dominant team I have seen since the '95 Nebraska National Champions. No team could play them to within 21 right now...and that includes USC or FSU.
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I think they are the best team right now, but I wouldn't elevate them to a higher status until they actually win something. The 83 Cornhuskers were widely called the best ever until they hit the Orange Bowl.
 
Raoul said:
I think they are the best team right now, but I wouldn't elevate them to a higher status until they actually win something. The 83 Cornhuskers were widely called the best ever until they hit the Orange Bowl.
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agreed! Everyone seems to forget that college football takes a month or more off before the major bowls. I have seen dominate teams play like they were out of sync before. FSU against Nebraska in 93 and certainly when we played against Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. I gave the sooners there props then but we played awful on offense. You never know.'
 
I can't stand the guy. He's too nice for UM. He doesn't have the same intense edge that JJ or Butch had. Anyone could've won over the past two years with the talent we had (and Butch Davis built). Coker's decision to start Berlin over Crudup cost us a clear shot at the NC (since FSU and VTech lost today). Its disgraceful. Alot of UM fans are pissed about this.
 
This comes from an UT fan, and after watching Chris Simms drop games with bad decisions, I must say Brock Berlin does not give me any confidence in close games. The kid is an over-hyped QB, not even in the talent of Simms. But he makes the same kind of mistakes when pressured. Miami should have lost to WVA too and probably Florida (which was Berlin's finest hour). I'm not sold on Crudup either. Who is UM's top QB recruit or red-shirt freshman?

Hey, any one watch Vince Young of Texas? This kid looks more like Vick every week.

Who wins the Heisman? The media is touting Jason White, but he's not the best player in the country. He has a loaded team. Eli Manning is another top pick. Lesser talent on a team that will win the SEC West (althought they could choke against MissSt). I'd go with Larry Fitzgerald.
 
White will win the Heisman, as its looks like a fairytale year for Oklahoma. They go undefeated, end up National Champs, and he wins the Heisman. Fitzgerald is the best reciever I've seen since Randy Moss, but naturally, the press are going to go with the player who is easier to market.
 
Alek M said:
I think that LSU is beeing really screwed by the BCS.
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Let me repeat myself, again. Now OSU is ahead of LSU. Oh well, when LSU smokes Ole miss, bama and beats arkansas maybe the BCS forumla will start calculating correctly. I agree that USC is the 2nd best team in the country, but LSU is not far from it. OSU plays the ugliest football ever. Oklahoma may look like ustoppable, but nobody gave a chance to OSU last year either, so you never know.
 
The current OU team is a much more complete and dominant squad than the 2002 Miami team. #1 ranked offense AND defense...How many times has this been accomplished in the same season by one program? Anything can happen...but just like the 95 Huskers, I don't see a team defeating this OU team. In fact, winning by 20 points would be a tight game for OU as of late. OU would roll over LSU or Ohio State, not to mention TCU, Texas (once already), Miami, FSU, VaTech. The only team that can compete with them on current form would be USC.
 
Who is more hated in Miami right now, Brock Berlin or Brian Griese? :D
 
Griese is actually a popular figure in SoFla (cos of Bob).

Brock Berlin can go find the gutter he crawled out of. He needed two security guards when he was leaving the field on Saturday - and that was in Miami. :mad:
 
MrMarcello said:
The current OU team is a much more complete and dominant squad than the 2002 Miami team. #1 ranked offense AND defense...How many times has this been accomplished in the same season by one program? Anything can happen...but just like the 95 Huskers, I don't see a team defeating this OU team. In fact, winning by 20 points would be a tight game for OU as of late. OU would roll over LSU or Ohio State, not to mention TCU, Texas (once already), Miami, FSU, VaTech. The only team that can compete with them on current form would be USC.
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Don't be fooled by the stats. They're leaving their first teams in much longer than they have to, and thats helping to run up the score on alot of teams. Miami lets its youngsters in when the game is out of reach.
 
I know I am not the only one, but this really blows. BSC is the worst thing ever. OSU barely beat perdue and they are no2? I am glad they will loose to the wolverines and straighten this mess.

1 Oklahoma 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1.00 10 0.40 0 2.40 -0.6 1.80
2 Ohio State 4 4 4 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2.00 13 0.52 1 7.52 7.52
3 USC 2 2 2 4 3 3 4 5 2 4 3.33 37 1.48 1 7.81 -0.1 7.71
4 LSU 3 3 3 5 4 7 3 11 7 9 5.83 72 2.88 1 12.71 -0.5 12.21
5 Texas 7 7 7 8 11 11 5 3 10 3 6.67 17 0.68 2 16.35 16.35
6 Georgia 6 6 6 10 10 12 6 10 6 8 8.33 20 0.80 2 17.13 -0.4 16.73
7 Tennessee 9 11 10 7 5 5 7 6 5 6 5.67 12 0.48 2 18.15 18.15
8 TCU 10 9 9.5 3 9 4 8 25 8 5 6.17 90 3.60 0 19.27 19.27
9 Michigan 5 5 5 13 12 13 14 7 11 12 11.33 35 1.40 2 19.73 19.73
10 Washington St. 8 8 8 12 8 9 11 9 9 14 9.67 34 1.36 2 21.03 21.03
11 Florida State 11 10 10.5 11 13 6 12 12 17 11 10.83 23 0.92 2 24.25 24.25
12 Miami (Fla.) 13.5 13 13.25 9 6 10 10 13 14 7 9.17 7 0.28 2 24.70 24.70
13 Florida 13.5 14 13.75 18 7 17 13 4 12 13 11.00 9 0.36 3 28.11 -1.2 26.91
14 Miami (Ohio) 18 19 18.5 6 16 8 9 22 4 10 8.83 55 2.20 1 30.53 30.53
15 Mississippi 15 15 15 16 15 15 17 8 18 18 14.83 57 2.28 2 34.11 34.11
16 Purdue 16 16 16 14 17 16 15 18 16 15 15.50 15 0.60 3 35.10 35.10
17 Virginia Tech 12 12 12 21 14 19 24 19 26 22 19.83 56 2.24 2 36.07 36.07
18 Iowa 17 17 17 19 18 18 16 20.5 15 16 17.00 18 0.72 3 37.72 -0.2 37.52
19 Kansas State 19 18 18.5 24 27 24 23 16 23 24 22.33 43 1.72 3 45.55 45.55
20 Bowling Green 22 25 23.5 25 22 20 19 35 13 17 19.33 61 2.44 2 47.27 47.27
21 Oklahoma State 24 24 24 22 26 23 18 20.5 20 19 20.42 38 1.52 3 48.94 48.94
22 Nebraska 23 23 23 20 33 21 22 29 24 23 23.17 36 1.44 3 50.61 50.61
23 Boise State 20 20 20 33 21 25 26 44 21 25 25.17 113 4.52 1 50.69 50.69
24 Utah 29 26 27.5 17 30 14 20 37 19 20 20.00 47 1.88 2 51.38 51.38
25 Pittsburgh 21 21.5 21.25 23 20 26 34 26 35 31 26.67 39 1.56 3 52.48 52.48
 
The BCS is a farce.

Interesting to see what a difference a player makes. Plummer´s return revitalized the Broncos. I wonder how good this team could be if it wasn´t for injuries. Pierce is the 3rd LB on IR.

Predicted AFC Playoff Tree

1 Kansas City
2 Tennessee
3 New England
4 Cincinnatti
5 Indianapolis
6 Denver

Tennessee is the hottest team in the NFL and will beat out Indy to win the division. Baltimore didn´t look too hot w/o Boller (ok, they didn´t look good with Boller either) but I don´t think Jamal Lewis and their defense will be enough to hold of Cincinnatti, who have already beaten the birds once. The team who loses the AFC North won´t be in Playoff contention so the last WC spot is decided between Denver and Miami. Miami has Brian Griese and Dave Wannstedt ... ´nuff said. :)
 
Raoul said:
God I hope Michigan take care of business.
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That dont really have a history of it lately do they? If michigan can get on top early it could be a blow out but if its close oh my god it could be OSU playing for the National title. Having said that if OSU or LSU or USC beat oklahoma then whomever wins the other major bowl game with one loss LSU or USC deserves a share of the title.


Having said all of that Oklahoma right now is by far the best team but as I have said before there is a major problem with college football in div 1. The 6 weeks you get off before the bowl games (the four major games) causes problems and can result in the best team at the end of the regular season not winning in january.

Im not saying we need a playoff maybe more games or conference championships in the ACC big 10 PAC 10

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OK, who honestly can pair up against OU? I say LSU, but I may be biased. I know USC has a great offense, but I am not sure about their D. On the other hand LSU has them bouth.

Do you think if USC and LSU win out LSU will get a final No2 ranking?
 
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OK, who honestly can pair up against OU? I say LSU, but I may be biased. I know USC has a great offense, but I am not sure about their D. On the other hand LSU has them bouth.

Do you think if USC and LSU win out LSU will get a final No2 ranking?
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USC will probably beat Oregon State so no chance for LSU. Besides, I think LSU could lose in the SEC title game. But should, both USC and LSU stumble, Michigan jumps in the national title game.

Bring on the 24 team playoff. If the other divisions can do this, the top division surely can. It would be bigger than the basketball tournament.
 
BTW AlekM, USC has a very good defense. They can compete with OU and like manufanatic mentioned, a team that is rolling along can lose the momentum and develop rust with a 3-4 week layoff. That said, I still think OU will be a double digit favorite and I don't expect them to slip up (would bet on OU covering up to 14). Miami lost simply because they committed 5 turnovers and allowed Ohio State to control the game and then had to come from behind just to force overtime. Then, well, we know about that controversey.
 
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