Gaza?
Cold War against China?
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Gaza?
What is china doing right now in terms of foreign policy that is worse than the palestinian genocide?
Accomplishing that Iran and Saudi Arabia, enemies, are closer than they had ever been in decades helping with that to strike a ceasefire in Iemen conflict that been going on for almost a decade
Oh my bad. This is good
China is no angel also. He is fecking around in myanmar for decades and is siding with russia on the ukraine invasion. I have little doubts that if china ends being and hegemon, will behave similar than US, but till this happens, there is no comparison
NK?
The Chinese dislike North Korea. Its the Russians who are close to Rocket Man.
This guy has it all. A nonce, a thread for national security and....his life paid since he was born by the UK tax payers
China is actively backing the russian destruction of Ukraine and its destabilisation of europe. Haven't you noticed?
I have, but that's not worse than genocide.
What's happening in NK that's worse than what's happening in palestine?
Disgusting regime. I don't want anyone to think I like them one bit. It just happens that right now the US is causing much more damage and suffering with their foreign policy.
I don't really understand the point you are making but I am sure a Ukrainian would disagree.
It's a very simple point, really. The state sponsored genocide in palestine is a worse event than the russian invasion of ukraine.
Historically speaking I think the US's foreign policy compares on the whole pretty favourably with its historic peers.
That's debatable. But regardless, I'm talking about the present.
I think both events are tragedies but the situation in Ukraine is more dangerous and destabilising to global security, in my opinion.
In terms of cruelty and human suffering, one is clearly worse.
I think the US has less influence over Israel, and China has more influence over than Russia, than people think.
I think that is highly debatable, and also pointless.
If that were true (and it isn't) it just makes US foreign policy even worse. They're went all in on a genocide to help a country they don't even have that much influence over. Have you ignored all the ridiculous lengths the US has gone on to help israel? They've basically threw away any pretense at international law or any international organ of justice just to defend a criminal genocidal nation.
It's only pointless if you ignore my original post. How can anyone defend american foreign policy with a straight face while warning us of all the possible dangers of chinese foreign policy?
Yeah china is really bad, mate, now can you please stop committing genocide?
Let's not forget the illegal iraqi invasion/war 21 years ago? GW Bush"s made up evidence of WmD. Over 600,000 Iraqis died as a direct result!
Yet no accountability. And the mainstream press/media at that time, in the lead up to the invasion were so supportive of the presented 'evidence'and cocksure the invasion was justifiable?
Not one White House or CIA official were ever brought to justice.
And yet we're suppose to believe all the media reports? How much are just mouthing off what the cia or pentagon wants you to hear? Surely some if the folks here aren't naive parrots?
The reality is in any conflict there are always two 'truths'. It's never so binary. And in some cases there are even fake 'truths".
Then there is the idea that the past is prologue.
How many conflicts has china started versus the US?
Unfortunately the US itself is also contributing to the destabilization of global security and the "rules-based international order" through its unconditional support to Israel and condemnation of the ICC.
That kind of behavior undermines US efforts to maintain a positive image vis a vis China and convince the world that it's better to be aligned with the US.
Ironically, China itself also seems inept at winning hearts and minds.
This whole conversation is backwards because people are talking about morality - a geopolitical threat is not an assessment of their morality but an assessment of their intentions.
How does US actions in Iraq or Israel/Gaza correlate anything to how much of a threat China is to the Western world?
Oh dear. The Pentagon/CIA to blame conspiracy theory shite again.
Also, if I had a penny for every time someone quoted the ridiculous Iraqi Body Count numbers without context I'd retire. On redcafe alone we stand at 4.
How does US actions in Iraq or Israel/Gaza correlate anything to how much of a threat China is to the Western world?
Oh dear. The Pentagon/CIA to blame conspiracy theory shite again.
Also, if I had a penny for every time someone quoted the ridiculous Iraqi Body Count numbers without context I'd retire. On redcafe alone we stand at 4.
Because we in Europe, and the values we care about, are underpinned by the US backed global order. So I defend it because it helps keep me, and many millions around the world, safe. And also because I think western democratic values are on the whole, good things and worth defending. So yes, while the US tangles itself in some stupid, bad and self defeating acts at times, I'd rather have them running the place than the Chinese, who don't give a shit about any of those values. Sorry if that sounds blunt.
So you believe the reasons they gave for going to war were sound and based on factual evidence? Please explain
Blunt and ignorant as hell.
China is definitely a thread. US is fecking up countries left and right. Latin america, middle east, asia ....everywhere. topping democratic goverments and putting dictators. Enabling genocide and initiating wars based on lies
China is a what if. US is reality
Has anyone mentioned the Chinese occupation of Tibet, a country it took by force in the early 1950's and refuses to release to this day?
But aren't China's current borders internationally recognized though? (including Tibet)
Where did I say that?
I said the casualties around Iraq War were nonsense and that accusing everything of being a CIA conspiracy is just ludicrous.
Sorry, How is the US a threat to 4bars, living in Barcelona.
I'm sure if there was a Venezuela football forum they'd have a thread discussing the US threat to them too.
Or detaining over a million people arbitrarily in Xinjiang. https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/...oots/chinas-crimes-against-humanity-targeting
Only one step away from the Nazis.
No sir, Han Ethnonationalism isn't a threat.
I love how people here rightfully condemn Israel's actions in Gaza as a genocide but somehow China ethnically cleansing and putting 4-5 million Uighurs into concentration camps is somehow okay.
I love how people here rightfully condemn Israel's actions in Gaza as a genocide but somehow China ethnically cleansing and putting 4-5 million Uighurs into concentration camps is somehow okay.
Who here is saying China's actions towards the Uyghurs is OK though?No sir, Han Ethnonationalism isn't a threat.
I love how people here rightfully condemn Israel's actions in Gaza as a genocide but somehow China ethnically cleansing and putting 4-5 million Uighurs into concentration camps is somehow okay.
It's a thread about the threat the Chinese pose to the west and/or rest of the world and yet there's people wanking on about things the west did because that means nobody should worry about the appalling nature of the CCCP policy under Chairman Xi (and before). It's fecking stupid, top trumps of genocide or something.
Well, the classic whataboutism is a pretty thinly veiled attempt to defend China.
It's more that people tend to be cynical about Western moral superiority vis-a-vis China when it's Western countries (not all, but the US at least) currently providing unconditional support to Israel in carrying out a genocide.
Not the ones around the land China claims as its territory, no.
It is no defence of Israel but Tibet was taken by invasion is held by force. It's a bigger land grab than anything Israel has done, the mountains are higher too and the Chinese definitely don't want to give it back ever.
Inconvenient I know, but true.
But isn't the point here that Tibet is now internationally recognized as Chinese territory and Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories is not? If the argument is that the world should not recognize China's presence in Tibet, then that's a different argument.