Shit is about to off nuclear style
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Shit is about to off nuclear style
Nuclear explosion in the toilet?
Answer what exactly?
I don't claim to know more myself, I just try to objectively assess the publicly available info and give a view on it. I see a lot of people convincing themselves that the Glazers will definitely sell and I think it's fair game to call that out.
I will usually answer back if I see the post (sometimes I might miss it or forget it). On occasion I won't answer back because the post is too unintelligible/irrelevant/incoherent and a reply would only initiate a time wasting tit for that would clog up the thread. You don't have an automatic right to a response and getting ingnored doesn't always mean the person doing the ignoring is running scared - although I appreciate that is another common mistruth people tell themselves rather than undertake some self reflection.
I still believe that Elliott is a bad fit for United but it would be unfair not to post this video as it makes very valid points. There's also a good review about Goldbridge in the end as well.
Are the drains at Old Trafford that bad?
To me it doesn't make much difference, although I would prefer it if it was a private bid just to avoid the inevitable fall out
No one buys anything for 5/6bn in cash - people from Bank of America were part of the Qatari delegation at OT, I doubt they were there just to see the museum.
And who says there is no return? The value of the club is likely to increase over time
Obviously not.
As many have said before, (even super) rich people don't spend a significant percentage of their own, personal wealth on buying...anything.
And they certainly don't do it with zero fecks given about short-term return.
We're talking about something like 6-8 billion here.
Again, as an illustrative example: Ratcliffe, personally, is worth anywhere from 20 to 30 billion (depending on sources). But, let's say, 30 billion at the most.
He obviously won't be buying a single asset worth close to a third of his personal fortune using his own money.
If you can afford to just slap 6-8 billion on the table without worrying about (short-term, even mid-term) returns, you have to be extremely rich.
(The kind of "rich" that hardly applies to individuals, or indeed families.)
If your research is so good and conclusive why not publish it for the world to scrutinise as it contradicts all the research of financial media, ngo's, think tanks and academia.
I've posted it more than once already in both relevant threads
And the estimates of their wealth from the likes of Forbes are pathetic - no idea what NGO, think tank or academia you are referring to
No, I think it is clear from the (albeit not especially rigorous) polling I have seen on this, that a majority of online fans are in favour of state ownership of United, including on the Caf. Polling on the UWS fanzine suggested the opposite, which is perhaps an indication that match-going fans are not overwhelmingly in support, but even there I suspect it would at least be a sizable minority in favour (if not an outright majority).
While there will remain a significant number of vocal United fans opposed to Qatari ownership even after the takeover, overall opposition will not be as widespread or as vehement as the current opposition to the Glazers (you'd be hard-pressed to find a single United fan anywhere who thinks that the Glazers are good owners). However, unlike in the case the Glazer takeover, where many United fans rightly felt that the media were nowhere near vociferous enough in their criticism of the LBO that has strangled the club for 17 years, external criticism of a Qatar-owned United will be enormous and sustained and will ensure that this takeover, if it happens, will be among the most controversial in the history of the sport.
Good if that’s what it takes for the football authorities to do something about city and newcastle and so on.
Sick of us being shortchanged or made an example of about time we flexed our muscle.
A supercharged United might be what’s needed to get reform, but it would only again indicate it’s one rule for us and a different rule for the others if it did.
That might be (I don't dispute it).
The question is whether Jassim realistically sits on enough (private, individual) wealth to make it plausible that the bid is - genuinely - private/individual in the sense that it is not, in reality, Qatar (the Emir, the state) behind it.
And if you want to, you can throw his dad into the mix: does his dad sit on that kind of money as an individual?
I don't remember what your estimates were (regarding daddy's personal fortune) - but, again, common sense dictates that he'd have to be worth extremely much in order for it to make sense for him to spend 6-8 billion on buying Manchester United with only long-term profit in mind.
Convincing themselves? I'll wait in vain for an example of that. People are saying they don't find it likely, and the reasons given are quite valid but you won't address them because you can't.
Glazers taking minority investment means giving something up, either money, power or both. Which part of the last 18 years has convinced you that is in any way likely? How much did United get a couple of years ago when Avram sold hundreds of millions worth of his stock?
The only one who has nothing to back up what they're saying is yourself yet seem to be acting like the voice of reason. It's quite amusing. Claim some people aren't worth your reply, yet talk shite about them in a seperate post.
I personally don't rule out the Glazer's staying at all. I'd say it's 50/50. But if they stay I see no reason why it'll be with minority investment because it's very unlikely it will financially benefit them in the long term more than selling for the apparent $6billion on offer now does. Which i'm sure you'll deny with absolutely nothing to deny it with
Are you saying this research is done using only information on the internet?
A good example of an extremely wealthy individual buying a football club (just buying it, as it were) would be Roman, I guess.
He paid (reportedly) around 150 million (pounds) at the time.
I don't know exactly how much he was worth at the same time (in terms of supposed private fortune), but he was certainly a billionaire. So, even if he was only worth a single, puny billion, yeah - do the math.
He paid (reportedly) around 150 million (pounds) at the time.
I don't know exactly how much he was worth at the same time (in terms of supposed private fortune), but he was certainly a billionaire. So, even if he was only worth a single, puny billion, yeah - do the math.
For Hearts?
Vomiting emoji.
For Hearts?
Eh?
Succession joke... just testing the waters
The Glazers will absolutely be able to do a minority deal, but it would basically completely defeat the point of the sale. If its a minority stake, then the Glazers who want out sell their stake and take the money, that money doesn't go into the club. The whole basis for selling is that the amount of money that needs to be spent to stay competitive now in the PL, as well as paying interest on the debt and dividends just isn't possible, and the money that needs to be spent on infrastructure which has been neglected during the Glazers time running the club
Ah, right. Never watched it, I'm afraid.
Seems the uncertainty over the ownership situation is predictably hanging over the contract negotiations of a few key players...
Really hope that this thing can be wrapped by seasons end so that it doesn't impact the squad recruitment and summer plans too much
Really hope that this thing can be wrapped by seasons end so that it doesn't impact the squad recruitment and summer plans too much
No news to the point the Sky's Kaveh saying the Glazers could raise the price due to the NFL team going for $ 6 billion.
That shows how desperate news corporations are for developments.
That shows how desperate news corporations are for developments.
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Yes I believe they do sit on that kind of money via the family office Al Mirqab Capital. This was started by the father (HBJ) and his main focus after leaving his state role in 2013, Jassim himself ran it for several years overseeing various investments in real estate, hospitality etc on behalf of the family.
Some bits of info about the kind of things they own here:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/act...tential-qatari-ownership.475659/post-30339348
All's quiet on the middle eastern front
The link to properties you say they own says they're owned by QIA
Edit: It doesn't say he owns the Belgravia mansion either.
Alli’s quiet on the middle eastern front.
For Hearts?
Is this the period where the Glazer’s can say only God knows the future?
Rubbish, they won't reverse negotiate. They might however see that price and stay firm to 6 bil.
Imagine the Glazers raising the price from one nobody will pay to a higher one err... nobody will pay.
That's Glazernomics that is.
That's Glazernomics that is.
He owns the Belgravia mansion (Forbes House) which will be the most expensive home in the UK:
https://www.standard.co.uk/homesand...ncil-vetoes-staircase-renovation-a135876.html
Yes some of the assets in the long list were deals he did on behalf of QIA
Way things are going at United at the moment, you're probably watching the same thing!
Calm before the storm?
If I’ve learned anything from our annual transfer sagas over the years it’s that nothing good happens before we get to 1000 pages.
Let’s fecking go!!!
Let’s fecking go!!!
"Congratulations on saying the highest number, you fecking morons!"
"The Glazers are now asking for one bazillion dollars"
Isn't Kaven that moron from sky who confirmed that Jassim's and SJR's bids had gone in when in reality they hadn't bid yet? The guy knows as much of what's going on as Ole knew about managing a team
I'm not one for speculation, there were rumours he was worth north of 275b.
At the same time, I do wonder how much JR would be worth if he went public with INEOS.
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