Nonsense. People have said since he was actually allowed to do the job he’s been doing well ie since Woody left
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Someone no one has heard of until a month ago is dropping £5 billion in cash (no debt as we are told) to purchases a football club and another £2 billion to invest in infrastructure. How has one of most cash rich persons in the world gone under the radar for so long? If he has managed to keep his wealth quiet that he must be a right dodgy cnut.
What is a proper person?
Wow
Yes I've read the article we are both aware that people are being funnelled into Qatar under false pretences to be exploited. It's illegal under Qatari law yet they don't seem too fussed on cracking down on the violations.
Yes but no where near the scale that its happening in Qatar.
Why are you constantly bringing up the UK, what does the UK have to do with this discussion?
The UK and Qatar are not in any way comparable in relation to this discussion. Britain is a pretty large island with a population of 70 million people, the number of migrant workers being exploited in Britain compared to the population is miniscule. They can and do actively investigate and prosecute people who exploit migrant workers. Unlike Qatar there are no massive camps housing tens of thousands of migrant workers living in appalling conditions being forced to work in unsafe circumstances.
Do you have anything to offer in defence of the way Qatar allows companies to break their laws on a mass scale and the way they turn a blind eye to how migrant workers are being treated and exploited without drawing false equivelances with the UK?
If he makes wrong decisions it won’t necessarily be in his hands. If he truly is a private bidder then there will be a limit to how much he can spend.
What's so wow about it? A managers job is relatively short term. You can't base the clubs 30-40+ year future based on a manager. That's incredibly short sighted.
I'll bet you Marcus Rashford out lasts ETH at this club - should we care about which ownership group is best for Rashford's plans?
I admit my mistake, I misread it as an investment in Bluebay Hotels for which I apologise.
But the point about 100% is still inaccurate and frankly irrelevant. He would have control of the club either way. As I have said elsewhere there are potential parallels to what gone on with Malaga even to the point of having ex-players involved in running the club. If he truly is independent of the state then it is worrying just how much he has to invest, what happens when it runs out and where that leaves the club.
I can make an educated guess that if it seems he doesn't have the personal wealth to buy the club, and he is an insider in ultra-wealthy, authoritarian regime with the means to easily buy the club.
You criticized the INEOS bid on many occasions, yet you seem perfectly fine with not knowing where the money is coming from for Jassim's bid. Yeah, no preference or shilling there.
Wow because of how easily you dismissed ETH and the impact he has already had on the club. Imagine what he could achieve with more backing and no meddling.
whilst long term planning is important, what’s equally important is for them to recognise what we have in ETH and support him, whether that’s for 2 years, 5, or 10. What he may achieve will set this club on the right route for the long term, not endless recycling of managers just because they want to bring in their own man
I wouldn't be happy but if we are lounging in mid table half a season gone after a full summer of investment, I could understand it.
I think ETH has done a great job and I would give him the benefit of the doubt next season, but no one should be completely untouchable if they are underperforming.
Good lad for admitting your mistake.
I wouldn't say that my point about 100% is inaccurate though as it's not me saying it, i'm simply relaying the one and only statement we have so far from the nine two foundation which states he will be bidding for 100% of the club. It's in black and white and not in any way inaccurate.
Most would expect the state to be involved yes, but that still differs a lot from the co-ownership model at Malaga. Whether the state would be a positive or negative aspect is completely separate from anything I've been saying, I haven't even touched upon it.
We are not built for this.
By 'we' I mean everyone on this forum and by 'this' I mean the patience required to wait for this to play out while remaining level-headed.
By 'we' I mean everyone on this forum and by 'this' I mean the patience required to wait for this to play out while remaining level-headed.
How am I dismissing it? He's a good coach, who's doing a good job at coaching his squad of players.
Your thinking is completely broken. The tails wagging the dog which is why we're in the shitter so often. It's irrelevant how many managers you recycle through, as long as the clubs successful. It's not a KPI of success. See Madrid and Bayern.
MY thinking is broken?
you’ve basically said, whoever comes in can boot ETH for all you care as long as the club has a long term plan
Im arguing that ETH can lead them to that success as long as he’s not kicked out in short term plans like you’d have them do
Best in class in their particular field
Hopefully 'family unity' means they'd now accept less than £6bn
Same as you. But my point is.. stability should be the owners man prerogative based on what they are coming in to.
Who would be the best in class in that particular field?
Sure. That's because I care about my clubs success rather than an individual's success.
I'm not advocating for him to be sacked under the new ownership. But it's not a big deal if they do. Just as it won't be a big deal if they decide that they could sign a better LW than Rashford.
No, success should be the main goal. Above all else.
You say this but you wouldn't mind us losing Ten Hag. What a plonker
Need to hear it from other sources too but would say it's somewhat of a positive sign
Stop being small minded bro. This ain’t a big d*ck with no idea how to use it contest.
We have arguable the best pound for pound manager available at this level. We need someone who is going to come in and get the most out of this. This ain’t Ligue 1… money can only get you so far in this league.. you need to have an amazing manager. There isn’t much of those around. It’s why Madrid hired Zidane twice and brought back Don Carlo to win Champions Leagues.
That's positive.
Something I haven't seen mentioned in here, though maybe I have missed it, but what possible impact could any potential reopening of the Saudi takeover of Newcastle have on any potential Qatari takeover of United?
Even if there isn't any action taken against Newcastle, could it still cause the Premier League to be more cautious in regards to future State backed takeovers claiming not to be State backed?
Even if there isn't any action taken against Newcastle, could it still cause the Premier League to be more cautious in regards to future State backed takeovers claiming not to be State backed?
I’ll bite
I’m in for the Jassim bid but I won’t say the money is not QIA money. It being QIA money is not a problem for me because it’s quite normal to see governments backing their business men with warchest to explore foreign opportunities. We’ve seen it happen constantly within Africa with Chinese businesse. So it brings in the questions a) are people just uncomfortable with Jassim? b) can people account for the source of every penny currently put into United? c) when did we stop being an investment opportunity? I’ve seen a lot of people welcoming an alternative in Amazon but is their big break not from a deal with FBI or CIA? Maybe if they had a JP Morgan or Charlie Davis we won’t have an issue with the sourcing and just take it at face value because in all this, the part of American bank involvement is completely ignored.
I’ll definitely have an issue with the club being run as an arm of a state especially extension of UAE/Saudi/Qatari murky relationship and how it will play out long term.
I likely might be more favourable to INEOS because it’s British. That alone should qualify them as long as the financial stipulations are met, though it brings into question the legalities but there is no FairPlay in big money. In saying that I will not fool myself into believing they are not in bed with the same states we keep pointing fingers at.
His supporters have also told me that he hasn't had enough time to spread his wings but he's also apparently done a good job. So which is it then?
It would be good if we picked one and I'll go with he's just not very good and cost us the purchase of Gakpo in the summer due to the dumb chasing of De Jong and that other French midfielder from Juve.
I certainly won't be crying if he gets binned off. I am also not a huge fan of Arnold but as long as the football people are in place and have the necessary remit and means to carry it out, he's welcome to continue doing his thing short of another Superleague debacle.
I’m assuming that they would create a new company and terms of the contract if one or two Glaziers remain because that would be untenable, I think this is SJR only chance a merger with Joel and Avram, at the clubs expense let’s hope it never comes to that !
Wasn’t it reported that bids would get a reply within 7 days from the initial deadline.
Today its been 6 days.
Could we be hearing news late tomorrow?
Today its been 6 days.
Could we be hearing news late tomorrow?
I'd imagine that it'll be a week from the receipt of the offers but we shall see
That is something which is worst part of this delay for me. Yeah, i want Qatari but at this moment i want that any owner comes quickly because ETH is already on 80-90% of rebuild. Give him early this summer striker, midfielder and whoever and we are in title chase.
I really hope that this will be finished by the end of next month.
Think you you’re confused. These people in the article you posted are not living in government housing, how can they are there illegally. At the very least acknowledge your article is not related to Qatar’s mistreatment of labourers instead of coming up with “but they should investigate it” and a bunch of other hypothetical scenarios not mentioned in the article
Yep that’s my thinking too they are looking for £5.5bn and the third round will be just that a last chance to grab the extra cash
I might have misunderstood, but Malaga could indicate the Sheikh might not come through on all the stuff he’s said he’d do at United?
That's negotiation 101 ie ask a bit extra (in this case 0.5b) which would give the owners room to lower the price when negotiating
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