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RedDevil@84 said:
I don't know why this is seen as fake, it is not improbable. Most PL fans from overseas who grew up in 90s and 2000s watching PL on TV are United fans.
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They don’t like the idea that he may be a genuine supporter, forever being told it’s irrelevant where your from all fans are the same.

Now it’s he can’t be a fan must be a front ain’t from Manchester.

Acting like it’s some crazy theory that he could have a genuine affinity to United from his time studying in the U.K but also could be the puppet of a state bid, most likely outcome of all the situations
 
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RedDevil@84 said:
I don't know why this is seen as fake, it is not improbable. Most PL fans from overseas who grew up in 90s and 2000s watching PL on TV are United fans.
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Yea, if he is genuinely into football, there is a very good chance he would be a United fan especially as United started dominating about that time.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
@Raoul what can we make about the stock prices rising in the last hour?
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Its herd behavior imo. Although negotiations may be advancing (we don't know), each time the stock spikes, its because someone spooks investors into thinking a deal may be imminent, after which its revealed nothing actually happened and the stock goes down again.
 
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I understand that SJR company will take on the debt to buy us, that is on Ineos.

Reason why so many people are worried because of lack of details. We don’t know how much is funded through capital vs debt.

Is there any expectation to take money out of the club later down the track to pay off the debt?

Assuming they would need to raise more debt for the stadium. Again who will take that debt? And who will book additional revenues from that stadium in respect to more tickets, revenue from concerts and stuff or even naming rights.

If the bid is financed by other investment firms, apart from interest, is there any other expectation as they surely won’t fund out of charity…

It’s understandable that most prefer Qataris given 15 years of United being used to make money for owners…
 
Brophs said:
Same sort of vibe as when my 4 year old daughter insists she can beat me at football in the back garden and even when she’s 27-0 down she’s still chatting shit and throwing herself into tackles. She wants to me to let her score a goal, but I tell her every single time that she has to earn it. If you’re not earning, you’re not learning, I’ll shout to her as she runs into the house to cry to my wife.
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Dude Bro, 27 goals?!

Someone should tell Erik.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
I don't know why this is seen as fake, it is not improbable. Most PL fans from overseas who grew up in 90s and 2000s watching PL on TV are United fans.
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That's not really the point, is it?

For all I know the stooge actually is a United fan - that doesn't make him any less of a stooge.
 
Raoul said:
Not to mention the fact that he has feck all in terms of money in terms of what it takes to buy United. This is clearly a state funded attempt by the nation state of Qatar to buy Man United, by using some random ruling class stooge as the public face of the project.
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Whitwell from The Athletic said, today, that HBJ has a lot of money. One of the wealthiest men in the world.
 
Gurtej said:
I understand that SJR company will take on the debt to buy us, that is on Ineos.

Reason why so many people are worried because of lack of details. We don’t know how much is funded through capital vs debt.

Is there any expectation to take money out of the club later down the track to pay off the debt?

Assuming they would need to raise more debt for the stadium. Again who will take that debt? And who will book additional revenues from that stadium in respect to more tickets, revenue from concerts and stuff or even naming rights.

If the bid is financed by other investment firms, apart from interest, is there any other expectation as they surely won’t fund out of charity…

It’s understandable that most prefer Qataris given 15 years of United being used to make money for owners…
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Because it would be impossible for the club to service a debt that large the yearly repayment would be likely more than the clubs whole turnover especially with current interest rates.
 
How many shares are there and what’s the current share price I imagine that sum is nothing compared to the bids anyway?
 
red thru&thru said:
And I suppose we have to say the same in regards to saying that it's state backed. Let's be consistent.
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Its deductive reasoning that it is given that Jassim has not proven he has earned the money in his relatively short career at an investment bank. Therefore the money would need to come from somewhere, and the odds that somewhere isn't the Qatari state or some entity it loosely controls or funds, are slim to none.
 
Brophs said:
Same sort of vibe as when my 4 year old daughter insists she can beat me at football in the back garden and even when she’s 27-0 down she’s still chatting shit and throwing herself into tackles. She wants to me to let her score a goal, but I tell her every single time that she has to earn it. If you’re not earning, you’re not learning, I’ll shout to her as she runs into the house to cry to my wife.
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:lol:
 
HarryP said:
No they didn't. They said they did, which shows them to be liars. The Boehly takeover was reported before May 6th elsewhere.

The Telegraph broke it on April 29 and Sportico tried to claim it as an exclusive a week later

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The Telegraph story only confirmed Boehly being the preffered buyer. The headline is misleading.

Sportico dropped the piece below on the 29th of April, 2022 , which is very similar to the Telegraph piece. The only difference is that the Sportico piece dropped a few hours earlier if I'm not mistaken.

https://www.sportico.com/business/sales/2022/todd-boehly-chelsea-sale-talks-1234674099/amp/
 
TheReligion said:
you mean you hope this will happen

you said from day one that you’re desperate for the club to be saddled with the Glazers and run into the ground
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no i think it will happen and suddenly the media also trotting the same line out......
 
Brophs said:
Same sort of vibe as when my 4 year old daughter insists she can beat me at football in the back garden and even when she’s 27-0 down she’s still chatting shit and throwing herself into tackles. She wants to me to let her score a goal, but I tell her every single time that she has to earn it. If you’re not earning, you’re not learning, I’ll shout to her as she runs into the house to cry to my wife.
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Perfect dad imo
 
Gurtej said:
I understand that SJR company will take on the debt to buy us, that is on Ineos.

Reason why so many people are worried because of lack of details. We don’t know how much is funded through capital vs debt.

Is there any expectation to take money out of the club later down the track to pay off the debt?

Assuming they would need to raise more debt for the stadium. Again who will take that debt? And who will book additional revenues from that stadium in respect to more tickets, revenue from concerts and stuff or even naming rights.

If the bid is financed by other investment firms, apart from interest, is there any other expectation as they surely won’t fund out of charity…

It’s understandable that most prefer Qataris given 15 years of United being used to make money for owners…
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Indeed, and we've got all the details about the Qatari bid...
 
Chief123 said:
To be fair if we or Whitwell from Athletic doesn’t know if he is one of the richest men in the world, then how can you make the conclusion it’s not him bidding and claiming it’s a state bid with so much conviction?
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Its just an opinion based on the collective information available.
 
Raoul said:
Its deductive reasoning that it is given that Jassim has not proven he has earned the money in his relatively short career at an investment bank. Therefore the money would need to come from somewhere, and the odds that somewhere isn't the Qatari state or some entity it loosely controls or funds, are slim to none.
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Logic doesn't apply much in this thread Raoul.
 
Chief123 said:
To be fair if we or Whitwell from Athletic doesn’t know if he is one of the richest men in the world, then how can you make the conclusion it’s not him bidding and claiming it’s a state bid with so much conviction?
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Could also ask yourself why so many Qatari accounts are shilling for this deal on twitter if its just one relatively unknown sheikh.
 
RedorDead21 said:
How many shares are there and what’s the current share price I imagine that sum is nothing compared to the bids anyway?
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In today's world the value of shares often has little to do with the actual value of a company, the stock market, is, in basic terms, little more than a gambling casino
 
Raoul said:
Its deductive reasoning that it is given that Jassim has not proven he has earned the money in his relatively short career at an investment bank. Therefore the money would need to come from somewhere, and the odds that somewhere isn't the Qatari state or some entity it loosely controls or funds, are slim to none.
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The only other explanation would be that his father is far, far richer than estimates, which wouldn't be impossible but is much less likely than it being state funds
 
mu4c_20le said:
Could also ask yourself why so many Qatari accounts are shilling for this deal on twitter if its just one relatively unknown sheikh.
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He might not be relatively unknown there + being related to the people who do matter they are trying to look good for their own purposes
 
Brophs said:
Same sort of vibe as when my 4 year old daughter insists she can beat me at football in the back garden and even when she’s 27-0 down she’s still chatting shit and throwing herself into tackles. She wants to me to let her score a goal, but I tell her every single time that she has to earn it. If you’re not earning, you’re not learning, I’ll shout to her as she runs into the house to cry to my wife.
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i wonder where she picked that up from.
 
Chief123 said:
To be fair if we or Whitwell from Athletic doesn’t know if he is one of the richest men in the world, then how can you make the conclusion it’s not him bidding and claiming it’s a state bid with so much conviction?
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The guy who is being portrayed as fronting the bid is the chairman of a bank that has revenues of less than $2 billion. Even if we're generous and say it's his dad, he said less than a month ago that "I don’t like this investment. Maybe it will work well. But you know, some of my sons like this, they always discuss it with me. They’re pushing hard. This isn’t my speciality. Let me put it like this: I am an investor. If it will one day be a good investment, I will think about it." He has 15 children but he's decided to give one of them several billion for an investment he doesn't like or understand?
 
Kinsella said:
Logic doesn't apply much in this thread Raoul.
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To simplify matters, I suppose we should just presume Jassim is secretly, insanely successful and has the funds to buy a football club for £6 billion, while having enough left over to remain insanely wealthy to where he can buy a new stadium and 300m on annual transfers.
 
Raoul said:
Its deductive reasoning that it is given that Jassim has not proven he has earned the money in his relatively short career at an investment bank. Therefore the money would need to come from somewhere, and the odds that somewhere isn't the Qatari state or some entity it loosely controls or funds, are slim to none.
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HBJ has already said that his dad would be funding it.
 
jm99 said:
The only other explanation would be that his father is far, far richer than estimates, which wouldn't be impossible but is much less likely than it being state funds
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Agreed. I'm sure his Dad is probably richer than his net worth on websites. Although it strains credulity to believe its enough to buy Untied and also invest in the needed infrastructure/development and transfer funds.
 
Kinsella said:
If he actually is one the richest men in the world then why do you think that is?
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"Sheikh Hamad’s billionaire status ultimately comes from Qatar’s oil and gas resources, as well as successful investments over many years. He helped run the country with the former Emir Sheikh Hamad Bin Khalifa Al Thani between 1995 and 2013, the pair having a very close relationship." The Athletic.

https://theathletic.com/4267880/2023/03/02/manchester-united-takeover-sheikh-jassim/
 
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