What, with superior fans like Wumminator heading to OT every week? Not likely.
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What, with superior fans like Wumminator heading to OT every week? Not likely.
No, they will never be smart owners. I said we just need a top notch recruitment department. It wasn't the Glazers who decided how to spend in the market. The Glazers suck of course. But them staying wouldn't be the end of United, as some are claiming.
1) Only rival fans feel like that to make themselves feel better. Pretty sure City fans are elated to be a powerhouse.
2) Do you have a legit source confirming this? Not some tweets from journos, as we've learnt from this thread that nobody knows anything.
3) Why is this narrative being posted so much? Just because Qatar is rich, automatically means that our club will be a play thing? We are not Malaga or PSG or City, clubs who were irrelevant before their respective takeovers. We are United. We HAVE always been relevant. If Qatar takes over, we will remain relevant AND presumably rich. But a play thing? This narrative is just lazy IMO. So we should just favour INEOS because they are more skint and hence making our club not a play thing?
PS: I'm not pro-Qatar or pro-INEOS. Just indifferent.
aka SupWum?
Sky Sports and BT Sport could LOSE Premier League TV rights, with tech giants ready to muscle in to take over the coverage... forcing fans into paying for ANOTHER subscription
- A new company is interested in competing for the next Premier League TV deal
- Starting from 2024, the new entrant to the market could also go for EFL rights
- The current Premier League broadcasting cycle is currently worth £10.4billion
Any chance this thread reach 1000 pages before the anti-climax (Glazers stay put) ?
This should belong to another thread, though?
When you think of it, it a disgrace that a club the size of Utd has to rely on loan players at all
Precisely. Never in my memory -- imagine in our last game, we had 2 loanees on the field and another loanee on the bench. Embarrassing.
Sign of the times unless something changes.
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Calm down there Karens. Your mixing up investment in the club with spending money in the transfer market.
They've spent the money, but very badly. There was no mention of where it came from. Every manager since Moyes has been heavily backed in the transfer market.
The majortiy of the money came from revenue generated by the club. Seriously where the feck else was it going to come from? Joels arse pocket? Most clubs transfer spend comes from money the club itself generates, it's kind of how it works.
Over 1bn spent in 10 years on players and yet people still believe they haven't spent money.
Firstly I’ll start off by saying I don’t think that any journalist knows what is really happening.
But one thing I have been wondering is, if the Glazers were to take financing that clearly would be unsustainable and a threat to the long term future to the club, is there a point the government can step in as it’s a threat to a national establishment?
But one thing I have been wondering is, if the Glazers were to take financing that clearly would be unsustainable and a threat to the long term future to the club, is there a point the government can step in as it’s a threat to a national establishment?
Glazer's are such a joke. How can they think a football club is worth more? It's not like we are winning everything every year to justify it
Needs to be massive protests for the rest of the season if they don’t sell. They need to feck right off.
And even the worst case premise is if the fans continue to go to the games, buy merchandise and do not stop any games.
The backlash of them staying would be fierce. Would it be consistent? I don't know. But I'm going to assume even fewer people will stop attending games and buying merchandise.
We've seen what happens to the stock price when there's a mere mention of the Glazers staying. Any investor will be taking a massive risk of not seeing a return on their investment.
And also, if say Elliot put in $2bn, is that to buyout certain siblings? If so, we're still at the problem of the club needing money to invest. Where will that come from? Who will want to partner/invest further into the club, where their fans (customers) are so unhappy?
Or, are the siblings staying, giving up percentage of their control and pumping $2bn back into the club? Something which they haven't done in 18 years. Also, the issue with this scenario is, any B class shares sold, will convert to class A shares, which have 1x10 rights over the class B shares. So, the investor would have pumped in more money than the Glazers ever have, and not have any control over the club.
Minority investment is just not an option.
Whilst I agree completely, to put it in comparison the Denver broncos (nfl) just got bought for $4.6b and they’ve won one Super Bowl in 25 years.
compare that to Utd and our global fan base, income in football etc and you can see why the glazers, who also own an nfl team, might place such a high number on Utd.
Actually nothing in the article at all and just more click bait, about the imaginary £6billion. Wouldn’t surprise me if it was actually always $6 billion dollars and they are purposely playing dumb.
Anything coming from keegan has to be viewed as Qatari PR/pressure he’s been right up in their camp since day one.
Ones a franchise with a closed league, they have already tried to play that card, that’s why they are selling.
If these cnuts stay the fans have to revolt in a manner never done before.
Love how the media has spun - Glazers maybe wont sell - stuff and people lap it up.
I think what makes it even more unlikely is the lack of a feasible buyer pool if they increase the value of the club, it's small enough now at £5-6bn, and if they annoy these type of buyers now who is left at double the price and the Glazers reputation as being a good business to deal with ruined after this process. I believe at £10bn as some have quoted there would be nobody to buy the club, especially if you consider Qatar seem the only one currently capable and interested, and I really don't see them coming back for round 2 in a few years if the Glazers upset them now.
The minority option does not stack up at all.
This.
And with regulation around the corner, I will only see the difficulty of new owners coming will become more difficult.
So Qataris are holding back their bid until everyone else has made one.
I try to keep out of this shit show of a thread as much possible so must have missed previous discussions.
The valuation of the club now is many multiples higher than it was before. That allows the Glazers to sell off equity to raise funds. Hence the rumours about this sale being a means to inflate the value of the club. How they use the funds generated is up to them. Some of the siblings can walk away with their cash. Any that remain can use that cash to keep their (very lucrative) business afloat. Selling equity does not create debt. The idea that they will suddenly take out a massive loan, with interest rates on the up and up, at a time when there’s another, obvious way to raise funds makes no sense at all.
We have to take action if these fecking leeches try to cling on to their cash cow. Joel and Avram are narcissists who don't want to lose their status as owners of Manchester United it's that simple.
It’s going to be a full sale. It’s painfully obvious that it’s negotiation going on and the meltdown on here is just waste of mental energy.
Plenty of winter windows where we've signed nobody. Loan or permanent.
that weird Finnish bloke had prepared a song and everything
And then a hero comes along
With the dosh to carry on
And you cast your fears aside
And you know you can
So when you feel like hope is gone
Look inside you and be strong
And you'll finally see the truth
That a hero lies in you
And then a hero comes along
With the dosh to carry on
And you cast your fears aside
And you know you can
So when you feel like hope is gone
Look inside you and be strong
And you'll finally see the truth
That a hero lies in you
Oh dear Tracy. The distinction (and the point you quoted posts were making) is that the transfer spend has come from club revenue, not out of the Glazers pocket.
They have put none of their own money into the club since the debt laden buyout.
I can’t believe there are still fans after 17 years who don’t understand the difference.
Wont that be fraud?
I actually think this window was well managed (aside from Butland, who seems entirely pointless)
We don’t need to sign galacticos every window just to appease the fans.
Could they be using the Sheikh and Ratty to establish a true market value for the club, to value the minority interest price?
Glazers are negotiating to get the best deal for them. They will sell.... stadium falling apart, training ground in tatters.....squad still needs cash injection in the summer just to make CL next season.....6 bill and run or take 20 mill dividends every year which is shrinking every year and deal with all the problems which will escalate even more.... It’s gonna be absolute carnage at Old Trafford the fans will go ballistic if they don’t sell ASAP they have milked the club for so many years. I suspect Qatar will now already know what Jim has offered. so they will simply offer a little more. Does not take rocket science to see Qatar has somebody on the inside; working for them.
feck this. These cnuts ruined the club and it's only gonna get worse.
Prem a bunch of cnuts for letting them "buy" us. Load of shite.
We are so unlucky we where too big to fail when they first came. Would have been much better being shite like Liverpool and then we would have been rid of the Glazers long ago.
Prem a bunch of cnuts for letting them "buy" us. Load of shite.
We are so unlucky we where too big to fail when they first came. Would have been much better being shite like Liverpool and then we would have been rid of the Glazers long ago.
Why would it be fraud? I don’t mean “artificially inflate”. It’s just about confirming the value of the club by seeing how much people are willing to pay for it.
Glazers love putting it out there how they won't sell fully but seek minority investment and everyone eats it up without asking a simple question . Who gives up their share if they take in minority investment? Because someone's going to have to eat up the loss and actually invest that money into the club.
Even if we value utd by their valuation of 6bn for 69% shares, they will need to sell around 15% to get enough money for stadium and clearing off some off the debt. Who takes in the loss, Avram and Joel the 2 idiots who have ruined utd hold around 34% take 15% out and they will hold barely anything after that, why would the siblings trust them to run the business?
This isn’t a round with your mates, you don’t just piss around people with this wealth.
Don't think it's a coincidence we see a lot of similar reports just before the supposed Qatar bid. "Your offer better be really good or else..." kind of stuff.
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