Club Sale | It’s done!
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Yes. Like all infrastructure investment for multi-billion companies. What football club has ever built/bought a stadium outright? Even if Qatar take over, they won't just drop billions on a stadium. It will be financed via all sorts of financial shenanigans. Billionaires and billion dollar companies (including nation states that act like them) don't spend their own money on anything. Why take on sole liability when you don't have to?
It was supposed to be this week when the second bid comes in, right? Hope this wraps up soon and we can move on from these boring back-and-forth.
Both public bidders are reportedly keen to continue working with EtH. I guess they are not stupid enough to mess with the upward momentum that the club is experiencing right now.
Yes, apparently all second bids need to be submitted by this Wednesday.
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Of course they’re going to say that now, but when there’s an opportunity for a blockbuster and ETH doesn’t sign off, will that be good enough for them in the moment or will they go over his head? From what I’m reading about them it sounds like they conduct business in a way that’s closer to City’s owner than PSG’s, but it’s my major concern from a football POV. It’s a concern for INEOS too but they can’t do something like buying Neymar for a laugh.
Your concern is valid, but again I do not think both bidders are dumb enough to part ways with EtH, at least not for another 2-3 seasons, unless there is a catastrophic drop off in United's results.
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You know a lot of SJR fanboys were raving about OGC Nice's supposed good form in Ligue 1 but after last weekends results, they have only recorded 1 win in the last 5 league matches and are languishing at 7th place, 6 points adrift from the last available European slot.
So much for being the form team ya?
So much for being the form team ya?
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Its in ETH's contact apparently that he has a say or even final say on a transfer.
Regardless, any United fan, a 70y.o or a 40y.o will know that we are on an upward trajectory on the footballing side. They will not touch it for now. The Qatar team has said that they would do a review when they come in.
In the short run, the chances are that Murtough & team will stay and maybe be offered bigger financial budgets to operate under and asked what his wish lists are with fewer financial constraints.
Its all about marginal gains.
The thought of handing Qatari ownership to the scousers makes me sick to my stomach. Yes I will admit Ratcliffe is a better owner for morality but don't want scousers dominating us like City have done so comprehensively in last few years
Yeah the horse bolted in summer of 2003 when Abramovich arrived here. Then of course City jumped on bandwagon in 2008 and Newcastle most recently.
The Premier League should have never allowed any of these takeovers to happen. Like I have said in previous posts IF state ownership wasn't a thing then would fully back Ratcliffe's bid.
It’s a free market man! Don’t worry, when Qatar buys us and expands our war chest, that together with the income we generate, will put us above any other club financially speaking.
Technically the PL isn't a free market. It's a private entity/club that has its own rules.
Sport can't exist in a free market. It requires rules that the participates agree on and abide by.
Not sure if Jassim appreciates the timing of this article but....
Qatar's Manchester United takeover could monetize new Mideast fan base
This is where I think the Qatar approach differs from the multi-club ownership approach of INEOS. Thus the media/tech guys from BOA come in. You combine them with what properties/assets that Qatar already have in place.... This is why I suspect the Qatar group will come much closer to the Glazers' valuation. Internally they probably see much bigger revenue projections from more different, new revenue streams (and therefore valuation) than a sporting-focused group like the INEOS.
A contemporary digitalized ecosystem-based business model versus a more conventional business model.
Qatar's Manchester United takeover could monetize new Mideast fan base
This is where I think the Qatar approach differs from the multi-club ownership approach of INEOS. Thus the media/tech guys from BOA come in. You combine them with what properties/assets that Qatar already have in place.... This is why I suspect the Qatar group will come much closer to the Glazers' valuation. Internally they probably see much bigger revenue projections from more different, new revenue streams (and therefore valuation) than a sporting-focused group like the INEOS.
A contemporary digitalized ecosystem-based business model versus a more conventional business model.
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That post was in response to those who believe that SJR isn't a Chelsea season ticket holder and that he bid for Chelsea because he wanted to buy us.
Was it? Funny that, because I picked it from here, after there was a discussion about it and it was pretty clear. Guess it wasn't "all". Hahaha
Lausanne sometimes win games you know?
And a person who likes to talk about "facts" doesn't clearly like it when "facts" is used to dispell their argument. So, the fact that OGC Nice have regressed post INEOS purchase, and the fact that SJR said he'll be making OGC Nice compete against PSG, the fact is, he hasn't!
Pretty clear factual sense.
That's one of the weirdest takes I've heard on here. fecking bizarre that people would believe it.
Is it safe to come back in this thread yet?
It appears to be the kind of management that even the glazers would be proud of.And a person who likes to talk about "facts" doesn't clearly like it when "facts" is used to dispell their argument. So, the fact that OGC Nice have regressed post INEOS purchase, and the fact that SJR said he'll be making OGC Nice compete against PSG, the fact is, he hasn't!
Pretty clear factual sense.
And a person who likes to talk about "facts" doesn't clearly like it when "facts" is used to dispell their argument. So, the fact that OGC Nice have regressed post INEOS purchase, and the fact that SJR said he'll be making OGC Nice compete against PSG, the fact is, he hasn't!
Pretty clear factual sense.
INEOS CEO also promised Lausanne European football. They got them relegated twice. But hey Ineos is so sustainable and smart. Also you can't expect INEOS to be able to compete for the title against mighty Young Boys and Basel.
Apologies for attacking this post, but posts like these are so cringey. Are we going to pretend like we know what goes through SJR or any other billionaires mind? Do you really know what his true motives are? Can you absolutely guarantee that he isnt't profit driven? Do you actually know the bloke??
Regarding Qatar state funding, of which I know you're against: You're asking is it not plausible that SJR is genuine and he enjoys sport etc. I can turn it around and ask that is it not plausible that Jassim is genuine too and he enjoys his sport too? Is it plausible that Jassim will not reply on state funds to run our club?
Look, I'm not necessarily pro-Qatar or pro-other bidders, but I'm not gonna pretend like I know my shit about these billionaires. It's perfectly fine if you prefer SJR over Jassim, but at the end of the day we know close to nothing about these blokes and can only rely on dodgy journalists and tweets.
Then again... just think how many members there are of the flat earth society there are out there? Anything is possible if people insist on believing what they want to believe.
The other is that its insisting that it will be bought by the Qatar sovereign fund. We don't know the composition of the 92 Foundation yet. Just because he may not have the funds to buy United personally, doesn't mean he cant put together a consortium of people, depending on the business model of the 92 Foundation -- and then buy United.
Its so ol' school, anachronistic --- to think that you can only buy the item if and when you have the money. That's so 1970s. No startup or silicon valley tech company would have existed based on that archaic idea.
Upon checking, Lausanne is currently third in the league. A respectable position.
Third in the second tier of Swiss football pyramid that is.
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INEOS can't stop delivering
"We hope and expect that this new investment in the team will take Football Club Lausanne-Sport forward to further success, and we see no reason why this could not mean playing in Europe.”
On the other hand you can't expect INEOS to be able to compete with all those oil rich tycoons who own all the clubs in the Swiss league
Another team in Ineos football portfolio, Racing Club d'Abidjan, is 9th out of 16 teams in Ivory Coast Ligue 1.
Mid table position, but much better as compared to FC Laussane-Sport who are in division 2.
Looking at the performances of Ineos' football teams, as compared to targets and goals set by Ineos when these teams were purchased, I would use a famous quote by Jose to describe Ineos football operation so far: They are specialists in failure.
Mid table position, but much better as compared to FC Laussane-Sport who are in division 2.
Looking at the performances of Ineos' football teams, as compared to targets and goals set by Ineos when these teams were purchased, I would use a famous quote by Jose to describe Ineos football operation so far: They are specialists in failure.
A great find this is. And yeah, I was wondering why the BofA tech guy was working so close with Jassim on this. Makes sense now.
I wonder if Jassim and team have been talking to Tezos and looked at what their plans are already.
I guess the tag of "Glazers 2.0" is apt when it comes to the potential purchase by SJR/INEOS.
How dare you not use sense into your argument. Such factual use in an argued (when not used to push your agenda) is not valid.
I'd say Nice would be quietly happy with their season so far, good chance of making a European final still which would be massive for the club.And a person who likes to talk about "facts" doesn't clearly like it when "facts" is used to dispell their argument. So, the fact that OGC Nice have regressed post INEOS purchase, and the fact that SJR said he'll be making OGC Nice compete against PSG, the fact is, he hasn't!
Pretty clear factual sense.
But of course we don't have a benchmark for the Qatari bid as they have never run a football club before.
So can one assume that it'd be smooth sailing and perfect with Qatari owners?
Of course not. We do not have enough info and data for that.
But if we look at the performances of Ineos football operation since its founding , which has been underwhelming at best so far, it would be indeed worrying if they end up being the owners of United.
If give a choice between an unknown quantity who talks a good game, against a known entity that has proven to be unsuccessful in the past and has a less impressive PR offensive (in my opinion) compared to its competitor, which one would you choose?
For me, it is a no brainer.
Its a generational battle. The younger, digital guys versus the old conglomerate, brick & motar model of business building.
Tezos will be one of the digital enablers -- imagine then sponsors that want to work with United in this more digitally transformed business model will be partners rather than just sponsors.
It then makes it a more interesting business proposition to partner with United. Its about a symbiotic ecosystem of partners.
Then imagine what this 92 Foundation is worth if they later float this on the NYSE.
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You have no idea how rich the Ivory Coast Ligue 1 is. Apple, Microsoft and Amazon all own clubs there and they have to compete with Qatar, Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Saudi. Ineos despite being so invested in football and smart can't expect to compete there.
The constant sarcastic backslapping between a few of the same posters has surely run its course at this point.
If you look at my replies, they are being "sarcastic" back at the replies that were being sarcastic at me.
Oh, look, same poster comes in and comments without any clue on what's going on!
That'll be a no then.
That's what the thread becomes when you remove all opposition and human rights talk and keep it on 'topic'
I'd say it depends on who you are which is connected to Nice. Executives maybe happy, but the fans may not be. I know I wouldn't be happy, as a fan, if my club has regressed so much. Hence why I'm so unhappy with the Glazers.
Will it be smooth sailing under Jassim's stewardship? Of course not. I can't think of many ownerships being smooth sailing. There are always going to be waves to deal with and overcome.
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