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ShinjiNinja26 said:
The whole post reeks of xenophobia, what is there to think through exactly?
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That if one sentence 'alienated the majority of the clubs fanbase' then that would lend weight to the inference you took from it.

Wumminator said:
I am superior and more important fan than someone from abroad yes.
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I haven't read through the rest of the thread yet but I bet this has lead to all the extra pages.

I wouldn't have used the word 'superior' there. It can carry a certain connotation, and when there's a whole cadre of people determined to see that connotation you could've saved yourself a lot of unnecessary hassle. I get what you're saying though. ;)
 
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MackRobinson said:
Maybe I'm mistaken but I don't think this is correct. The TV deal gives each team £43m. Manchester United made £110m from matchday revenue in 2022.
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United made GBP 215m from broadcasting revenue in FY 2022. Not that I'm really wanting to join the debate of the relative value of different fans, but that is the number on revenue.
 
MTF said:
United made GBP 215m from broadcasting revenue in FY 2022. Not that I'm really wanting to join the debate of the relative value of different fans, but that is the number on revenue.
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Ah you're right. 43m is just from the PL
 
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He's friend of the Emir
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He is in it for the win
To the left to the right
Please do oil us up
He's got means he's got charm
And he Hates the Abu dhabi scum
 
Does anyone know how other clubs message boards are reacting to the prospect of Qatar taking over United?

I seem to remember some meltdowns on here over the Saudi Newcastle bid before I hid that thread
 
Plant0x84 said:
I wonder if other clubs fans feel the need to be so petty as to rank the importance of different fan groups. Is Top Gooner a thing? Can you be best Scouser? Is there a hierarchy of Stockport? I’d be interested to know, but United fans do seem a peculiar breed.
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Curious about that as well. I don't browse other fan forums to get an idea of that, but I do see a reasonably amount of football discourse with various clubs on Twitter, both with English clubs and foreign ones, and I've never seen any of them going on about "match going fans" and their importance and this hierarchy like I have seen with United fans, which isn't unique to this forum alone. It is weird and unnecessary.
 
Cloud7 said:
Curious about that as well. I don't browse other fan forums to get an idea of that, but I do see a reasonably amount of football discourse with various clubs on Twitter, both with English clubs and foreign ones, and I've never seen any of them going on about "match going fans" and their importance and this hierarchy like I have seen with United fans, which isn't unique to this forum alone. It is weird and unnecessary.
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Its not unique to this forum. Its on twitter as well, certain United fans feel that you can only represent United if you are a local.
 
MackRobinson said:
Maybe I'm mistaken but I don't think this is correct. The TV deal gives each team £43m. Manchester United made £110m from matchday revenue in 2022.
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Here:

An uptick in broadcasting revenues contributed the most heavily to the club's bumper year - money from television rights grew by 18.1% to £240m in 2019, compared with £204m in 2018.

https://news.sky.com/story/manchest...evenues-as-cash-from-tv-rights-soars-11818717
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We benefit from the distribution of live football content directly from the revenue we receive and indirectly through increased global exposure for our commercial partners.

Our Broadcasting revenue was £241.2 million, £204.2 million, and £194.1 million for each of the years ended 30 June 2019, 2018, and 2017, respectively.

Matchday
We believe Old Trafford is one of the world's iconic sports venues. It currently seats 74,140 and is the largest football club stadium in the UK. We have averaged over 99% of attendance capacity for our Premier League matches in each of the last 21 years. Matchday revenue will vary from year to year as a result of the number of home games played and the performance of our first team in various competitions. Our Matchday revenue was £110.8 million, £109.8 million and £111.6 million for each of the years ended 30 June 2019, 2018 and 2017, respectively.

https://ir.manutd.com/company-information/business-model.aspx
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romufc said:
Its not unique to this forum. Its on twitter as well, certain United fans feel that you can only represent United if you are a local.
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Which, as the plant alluded to, is weird because I've not ever seen this from other clubs
 
Wibble said:
But there is no doubt that this is an official state bid, in all but name, to a) avoid owning PSG and United at the same time, and b) allow people to pretend that it isn't an official state bid.
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I have a lot of doubts, actually. Please provide sources, if possible.
 
711 said:
Bit confused by all the bankers. Are they advising for a fee, or are they investors? I hope it's the former, as if they're investors they will be looking to make money out of the club. I'm still hoping for someone who isn't in it for that. I get someone more competent than the Glazers might be a step forward over time, but can't help wanting more.
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You think he's going to rock up with 5b in cash? Of course it's going to need banks involved.
 
MackRobinson said:
Maybe I'm mistaken but I don't think this is correct. The TV deal gives each team £43m. Manchester United made £110m from matchday revenue in 2022.
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Man United makes around £3.5m every matchday on average.
£3.5 * 30 home games on average. Staggering amounts.

Broadcasting revenue are usually over £200m.

Water is wet, United is a cashcow.

Qatari on the cherry, then a war chest like never before.
 
TsuWave said:
Not when you speaking of an entity like Manchester United. Again, a substantial number of the people at OT every weekend aren't "locals".
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There are a lot of foreign fans at Old Trafford every week. But they're not the same individual fans turning up over and over again.

In terms of an individual fan attending games regularly, they're very obviously more likely to do so the closer they are geographically to the club.

And (all else being equal) that individual fan who attends regularly is inarguably worth more to the club than an individual fan (like myself) who doesn't. Because I'm not contributing as much to the club. If the club had to lose one of us, they'd unquestionably lose me.

jm99 said:
Clubs make more money from TV deals than they do from matchday revenue, the Premier league could survive in its current form without matchday revenue as it did during covid, but it would collapse without the tv deals, so economically fans who watch on tv are fairly important
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Absolutely. And if we were talking about which segment of fans are more important to the club then it would be a different conversation. Because the amount non-matchgoers vastly outnumber the amount of matchgoers.

But we're not. We're talking about individual fans. And an individual matchgoing local fan will tend to be more valuable to the club than a fan from far away who can't go to games.

I can only think this is even a discussion because of the obnoxious way it was initially framed. Because in terms of basic facts it's pretty self-evident that people who live closer to Old Trafford are more likely to attend games regularly than people who don't, and people who attend games regularly are of more value to the club that people who don't.
 
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Cloud7 said:
Which, as the plant alluded to, is weird because I've not ever seen this from other clubs
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We are the biggest club, which is what we celebrate. You cant be big without having a wider fan base.

The same fans who say only local fans count are the same that say City have no fans. The reason City dont fill out their stadium is because they dont have the wider fan base.

Also, it works both ways right? yes local fans go to games and provide atmosphere but, fans around the world have to watch games at 2 am, 6am, 10 am, 1 pm, all different times.

In my opinion, match day fans might be important but dont kid yourself, the worldwide fans are just as important.
 
sullydnl said:
There are a lot of foreign fans at Old Trafford every week. But they're not the same individual fans turning up over and over again.

In terms of an individual fan attending games regularly, they're very obviously more likely to do so the closer they are geographically to the club.

And (all else being equal) that individual fan who attends regularly is inarguably worth more to the club than an individual fan (like myself) who doesn't. Because I'm not contributing as much to the club. If the club had to lose one of us, they'd unquestionably lose me.



Absolutely. And if we were talking about which segment of fans are more important to the club then it would be a different conversation. Because the amount non-matchgoers vastly outnumber the amount of matchgoers.

But we're not. We're talking about individual fans. And an individual matchgoing local fan will tend to be more valuable to the club than a fan from far away who can't go to games.

I can only think this is even a discussion because of the obnoxious way it was initially framed. Because in terms of basic facts it's pretty self-evident that people who live closer to Old Trafford are more likely to attend games regularly than people who don't, and people who attend games regularly are of more value to the club that people who don't.
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No. It’s nothing to do with how it’s framed. Some people actually choose to argue the point. Some people specifically said it doesn’t matter. Some people have argued about it being okay to support two teams. Some people have tried to claim that Manchester United is only linked to Manchester in name. Some people choose to argue that the Qatari bid isn’t backed by a regime of murderers.
 
romufc said:
We are the biggest club, which is what we celebrate. You cant be big without having a wider fan base.

The same fans who say only local fans count are the same that say City have no fans. The reason City dont fill out their stadium is because they dont have the wider fan base.

Also, it works both ways right? yes local fans go to games and provide atmosphere but, fans around the world have to watch games at 2 am, 6am, 10 am, 1 pm, all different times.

In my opinion, match day fans might be important but dont kid yourself, the worldwide fans are just as important.
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Don’t try and kid yourself people, fans abroad are just as important as season ticket holders.
 
Cloud7 said:
Curious about that as well. I don't browse other fan forums to get an idea of that, but I do see a reasonably amount of football discourse with various clubs on Twitter, both with English clubs and foreign ones, and I've never seen any of them going on about "match going fans" and their importance and this hierarchy like I have seen with United fans, which isn't unique to this forum alone. It is weird and unnecessary.
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romufc said:
Its not unique to this forum. Its on twitter as well, certain United fans feel that you can only represent United if you are a local.
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Football is undoubtedly tribal, but I’d think it would be us against them mentality, whereas United fans seem to operate on an Everyman for himself basis. I’ve never wanted to be the best fan personally, I’d just like to enjoy our successes and commiserate our defeats with like minded folk.
All this top red dick swinging I live closer so I’m superior stuff is bollocks.
 
Wumminator said:
Don’t try and kid yourself people, fans abroad are just as important as season ticket holders.
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Ahhhh, right thank you for this.

I know plenty of season ticket holders who do not live in Manchester.

Yet you have argues that you need to be living locally to be a superior fan.

Which one is it? Make your mind up.
 
Guys - why do Manchester United fans sing about Manchester being red? Or hating Cockneys? Or burning Scousers? Or the River Irwell? Why aren’t they singing about other countries which are just as important.
 
TsuWave said:
Ehhhh, as a local I disagree. This just feels like the type of stuff people tell themselves to make themselves feel good - and that's overlooking how a considerable amount of the people regularly attending games at OT are not "locals". United has long and consistently courted it's global appeal. It's core to the club and majorly responsible for the stature it has and enjoys.

This whole "X fans are more important than Y fans" is waffle
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Could not agree more with this. As someone born and raised in Old Trafford, then living on Warwick Road for many, many years when I left the forces, I don’t see someone like @Abdullah7 as less of a fan than me just because I live about 200 yards from the ground.

I’d say the only thing that makes it different is the banter/rivalry with other fans from the area who we interact with day in, day out. But that’s nothing to do with how much someone supports the club, just different.
 
romufc said:
We are the biggest club, which is what we celebrate. You cant be big without having a wider fan base.

The same fans who say only local fans count are the same that say City have no fans. The reason City dont fill out their stadium is because they dont have the wider fan base.

Also, it works both ways right? yes local fans go to games and provide atmosphere but, fans around the world have to watch games at 2 am, 6am, 10 am, 1 pm, all different times.

In my opinion, match day fans might be important but dont kid yourself, the worldwide fans are just as important.
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The first bold is a bit confusing to me. Don't you celebrate the club simply b/c you support it? If United wasn't a big club would there be no reason to celebrate? Probably just the wording...

As to the second bolded point, a fan watching the match on TV is not really providing any atmosphere.
 
romufc said:
Ahhhh, right thank you for this.

I know plenty of season ticket holders who do not live in Manchester.

Yet you have argues that you need to be living locally to be a superior fan.

Which one is it? Make your mind up.
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Have you read my posts at all? Like actually read what I’ve said? I can’t make it any more obvious.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Football is undoubtedly tribal, but I’d think it would be us against them mentality, whereas United fans seem to operate on an Everyman for himself basis. I’ve never wanted to be the best fan personally, I’d just like to enjoy our successes and commiserate our defeats with like minded folk.
All this top red dick swinging I live closer so I’m superior stuff is bollocks.
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Agreed, It shouldn't matter where you are from, I think we have seen from this forum only that people all over the world care for the results at United and all have different opinion.

Just because you live close to the stadium does not mean you understand or know more about the club than someone in another country who is equally invested into the club.
 
MackRobinson said:
Match-going fans create the atmosphere and probably spend more per person on the club.

The first bold is a bit confusing to me. Don't you celebrate the club simply b/c you support it? If United wasn't a big club would there be no reason to celebrate? Probably just the wording...

As to the second bolded point, a fan watching the match on TV is not really providing any atmosphere.
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Some people genuinely only support United because they’re the biggest club.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Anyone who's been attending most of their lives would be considered local
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That doesn’t make sense. Many fans don’t live local but attend every game. How are they local then?

You still didn’t answer the question. How does the club putting “local” fans first work?
 
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