*xenophobe. About 15 posts ago.
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You should have thought about that before posting something that simply comes across xenophobic. That you are in a situation of having to justify that is your own doing. So there's that.
Not from the UK. Spent my late teens and most of my twenties sacrificing more than I should have to make sure I got to Old Trafford a few times a season. It kills me when United lose, and United winning means everything.
But it’s nonsense to suggest the my connection to the club is the same as someone local. It’s literally part of their identity. It’s their hometown club. They didn’t choose Manchester United like the rest of us.
I’ve said it before, if some group took over United during this takeover, and it bombed and United almost go under and spend the next 10 years sliding down the leagues to League 2 or the National League, there wouldn’t be millions a year travelling from abroad to watch them play. But the locals would still be going in their thousands.
But it’s nonsense to suggest the my connection to the club is the same as someone local. It’s literally part of their identity. It’s their hometown club. They didn’t choose Manchester United like the rest of us.
I’ve said it before, if some group took over United during this takeover, and it bombed and United almost go under and spend the next 10 years sliding down the leagues to League 2 or the National League, there wouldn’t be millions a year travelling from abroad to watch them play. But the locals would still be going in their thousands.
I love @Wumminator's stance on who the most important fans are based on nothing but his own perceived notion of what he thinks makes certain fans important, which is coincidentally directly inline with what makes him a 'superior' fan to most others. It's almost like a dictatorship one would say?
As someone who has moved out of Manchester and lived abroad, I can tell you that there are 'better' fan's out there, based on how much they care for the club, how much they spend to watch games at OT when they can, how far they travel and what time they get up or stay up to watch our games despite us being shit or the impact it will have on their working day.
As for someone like myself who refuses to spend any money on the club apart from the occasional ticket to a game when I'm back in Manchester, I'm a shit fan in the eyes of the club. I don't generate any income for them and I just moan that things aren't good enough, which is a bracket most of us fall in to. Just because I happen to be born and lived around the corner from OT doesn't mean shit in the "greatest fan ever" stakes.
If it wasn't for United's reach and the 'global' fan, we'd be no bigger than the likes of Bournemouth. You can't have it both ways.
As someone who has moved out of Manchester and lived abroad, I can tell you that there are 'better' fan's out there, based on how much they care for the club, how much they spend to watch games at OT when they can, how far they travel and what time they get up or stay up to watch our games despite us being shit or the impact it will have on their working day.
As for someone like myself who refuses to spend any money on the club apart from the occasional ticket to a game when I'm back in Manchester, I'm a shit fan in the eyes of the club. I don't generate any income for them and I just moan that things aren't good enough, which is a bracket most of us fall in to. Just because I happen to be born and lived around the corner from OT doesn't mean shit in the "greatest fan ever" stakes.
If it wasn't for United's reach and the 'global' fan, we'd be no bigger than the likes of Bournemouth. You can't have it both ways.
Wumminator is the polar opposite of myself. He is the joker to my version of batman, the general zod to my version of superman, the Ole to my version of SAF. I'd miss him if he's gone
I would be entirely fine supporting a team that is the size of Bournemouth. They’re having a great time of it.
You haven't been looking then
I’ve met wummy, he’s much more committed than me, and being local, he’s see the whites of the stadium roof on a daily basis. I have no issues saying he’s 100% a superior fan to me, he chats a fair bit of utter shite online mind.
However he lives & breaths and is surrounded by the feel of a city in which Manchester United’s influence is everywhere, every day.
If you haven’t lived in Manchester, grown up there, gone to school there and continue to be a part of that daily, you can’t fathom what it is to be a local fan and how that connection simply can’t be replicated by someone living overseas.
The word “superior” might be a daft sounding way to put it, but the local fans certainly mean more and have a much greater connection.
Why not support your local team then? United was the easy option if you're based in Manchester. There's Oldham, Bury, Salford, Rochdale, even FC United.
Here’s the problem with posts like that. This wasn’t the point that was being made
Probably Merseyside
Fair answer!
Because… they’re not local to me?
I dont see the big debate in this. Local hardcore fans who travel home and away are the core fans, but even then, I know fans who travel home and away but dont live in Manchester.
The point is, United are the biggest club in the world not because they have the best local fans, its because they have the biggest global fan base.
That is what Manutd is about, a global brand, you dont need to be in 5 miles from the stadium to be a fan. Whether people like it or not, a hardcore fan 5000 miles away or 5 miles away can have the same emotional attachment to the club.
This is the one reason why Manutd do pre season tours abroad, so their fans who can't watch them get to, this is the reason when Manutd play Madrid, they can fill out stadiums in America.
The point is, United are the biggest club in the world not because they have the best local fans, its because they have the biggest global fan base.
That is what Manutd is about, a global brand, you dont need to be in 5 miles from the stadium to be a fan. Whether people like it or not, a hardcore fan 5000 miles away or 5 miles away can have the same emotional attachment to the club.
This is the one reason why Manutd do pre season tours abroad, so their fans who can't watch them get to, this is the reason when Manutd play Madrid, they can fill out stadiums in America.
Of course local fans are more important then us fans who live thousands of miles away. Hell even ton of my local club fans (Dinamo Zagreb) are more involved and important then me cause of all the time and effort they put in going to away games, organising the support and so on.
Its just those snide remarks and superior stuff about fans all over the world which does my head in. He finds it odd you can support a club thousands of miles away. Its United ffs, it's a global club, its what its about, it's a juggernaught and its one of the things we're proud of. And I'm not talking about glory hunters, I'm talking watching games, being involved in day to day stuff and after all writing and reading stuff here. As I said it's nothing compared to local fans and I'd love to have the means to visit Old Trafford more but to portray us like he has done is awful.
If he's on a windup its a shite windup and if its not it strikes like some nationalistic stuff.
Its just those snide remarks and superior stuff about fans all over the world which does my head in. He finds it odd you can support a club thousands of miles away. Its United ffs, it's a global club, its what its about, it's a juggernaught and its one of the things we're proud of. And I'm not talking about glory hunters, I'm talking watching games, being involved in day to day stuff and after all writing and reading stuff here. As I said it's nothing compared to local fans and I'd love to have the means to visit Old Trafford more but to portray us like he has done is awful.
If he's on a windup its a shite windup and if its not it strikes like some nationalistic stuff.
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Thought we had a sighting or something
Nope just wumminator
It's literally in his username people
Thought we had a sighting or something
Nope just wumminator
It's literally in his username people
Do you support Zagreb?
I'm not disputing that one bit and would be mad if I did.
It's called Dinamo Zagreb and yes I support Dinamo, I've been a supporter since I was 6.
So what you’re upset about is me saying superior instead of meaningful and greater?
Quote where I said he’s a racist or xenophobe. Calling someone out on their bullshit is very different.
You said some other things other than superior stuff. And yes, superior is a bad take.
I support Zagreb as well!
You do? Didnt know that.
You support nk Zagreb?
No. Your Zagreb. Me and you have the exact same support for Zagreb.
In a nutshell its this.
The only reason the brand is so big is due to its global reach and international revenue streams derived from that. Fans = Customers.
Yes they are.
How come?
Rochdale? I don't know anyone that lives in Manchester that supports Rochdale.
fecking hell.
In this thread I’m having to explain
a) local fans are superior to fans who support other clubs abroad and also United.
b) That it’s not xenophobic to want a club you love not tk be owned by murderers and human rights abusers.
c) now also how geography works?
Saying he doesn't want Qatari owners because they are foreign is to be calling him a xenophobe. It's unnecessary and needlessly inflammatory.
That old stereotype again. Thought we had that flagged as bs on page 10?
I think this is a rare instance where a wind up merchant is wound up himself.
You might want to re-read the post that started all this. You my friend are a fecking ostrich. Get your hand out of the sand.
Because I don't think he's a xenophobe? You seem like a nice fella.
You might want to re-read the post that started all this. You my friend are a fecking ostrich. Get your hand out of the sand.
And you’re the one that gets the warning. Amazing. I’ll probably get one for agreeing with you.
I know of foreign United fans who supported United since the Munich crash. People on a minimum wage who would do a part time job solely so they can afford to go and watch United live. Tha lt was their only holiday per year which considering the city they went to is quite amazing indeed. The founders of our supporters club had dug deep within their pockets to set the oldest united supporters club in the world and to keep it afloat during the bad times (both in terms of performance and Malta's economy). That is something the likes of Sir Matt, Murphy and Sir Alex appreciated greatly. But sure wumminator is superior to them
No bigger than Bournemouth have a fecking word with yourself Jesus Christ I've seen some shite on this website but feck me this is up there with the absolute worst.
https://worldcoalition.org/pays/qatar/
https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/...ttee-commend-legislative-revision-efforts-and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar#:~:text=Qatar has the death penalty,death penalty for this charge.
They do have capital punishment but only had one in the last 20 years.
So I'd be cautious calling them "murderers" as was mentioned right at the beginning of this thread.
Also, as you sure know, it shouldn't be me having to rebut claims like that. If you are bold enough to call someone murderer you should have decent sources for that claim.
Also, just for the record: I'm not justifying the HR issues they have, but I wouldn't call them murderers.
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