But those three teams are absolutely nothing like ours? How do you not see the blatant and obvious difference?
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But those three teams are absolutely nothing like ours? How do you not see the blatant and obvious difference?
I would imagine it would take at least 2 weeks after this week's meeting at Carrington to analyse the data, due diligence on the liabilities, valuation of the assets etc before giving Raine a firm 1sr offer.
Then Raine has to wait for the other bidders before assessing what's their recommendation first the best bidder.
Then squeeze more out of them.
Quickest, 6weeks?
I would think it would be unprofessional to leak any specifics esp with an NDA signed prior to the presentations.
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Exactly, so it’s bizarre to see people so eager to see the club associated with state ownership.
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Because I'm a total moron that can't tell the difference, obviously. Alternatively, people are allowed to be against something that they see as being inherently anticompetitive. I couldn't give a feck that PSG and City were nonentities prior to their takeover. Newcastle were once a club that I liked and respected (and went to a few games to) but nothing they do now will register, regardless of how they smart and restrained they are with their spending. It really isn't that bleedin' controversial to be of the opinion that no state should be permitted to own a football club.
Good point. We are so big and wealthy that we don't need state ownership, so let's not entangle ourselves with the messes of it.
Things have went a bit quiet, aren’t the Qatari’s and Ratcliffe meant to be visiting this week?
You do realize that it's just Tuesday, right?
I don’t think them visiting would mean you’d get loads more news. More likely the opposite…
What success at Newcastle exactly?
And PSG and Man City were nothing clubs to begin with, not a behemoth like Manchester United.
PSG have only existed since 1970 for a start!
Without Qatar, how do we rid ourselves of the debts we have, and, improve upon the infrastructure that we so desperately need?
Also, how do we get rid of the business first and then football mentality?
Really, is it? Cheers pal duly noted.
Might be over-analysis but could the US banking intervention put a pause on anything happening regarding the sale for a few weeks?
Maybe, I just thought we might of heard something at the start of the week after getting quite a bit of activity last week regarding them coming, also with the Elliot group being here last Thursday. We might get an update over the next few days.
Maybe for broke boys that are using American banks to fund their bid.
PSG had success before Qatar. Different level to United of course, but they won the cup winners cup a few years after us and won league titles far more recently than City and Newcastle.
I wonder how people would feel if a state took over Barcelona for example, wiped all their debts, paid for the stadium renovation etc. Just because a club is traditionally bigger, doesn’t really mean that they should be be allowed massive cash injections to right previous wrongs, yet other smaller clubs shouldn’t be allowed similar situations to compete with the big boys.
Their first final since the 90s? Being in a good position to get CL for the first time in decades? Your idea of success in football won't necessarily marry with everybody else's.
Yes, exactly. Small clubs. We are Man United, therefore don't need to sell our souls to be successful (again).
Hasn't Jim Ratcliffe promised to do both of those things? I'm not saying I am pro Ratcliffe, but let's not pretend like it's Qatar or bust.
Erm, PSG barely had any success in the 5-10 years before Qatar took over.
From what I have read, happy to be proven wrong, Ineos bid is not to put new debt, nothing about what happens with the current debt.
No also information about the stadium upgrade.
No. SJR hasn't promised to do both things.
And, well, there are only 2 known bidders, so yeah, for clearing off all debts, spending on the infastructure, it is Qatar or bust.
Ah, for some reason I thought the INEOS bid included the pledge to wipe off the debt. Disappointing if not.
"Sources close to the bid, again speaking on condition of anonymity when relaying private conversations, later told The Athletic that Ratcliffe sees the improvement of infrastructure at Old Trafford and the club’s training ground as essential, and they also added that the proposal to Raine included a statement of intent to invest in the women’s team at United. Additionally, the Ratcliffe bid says INEOS and Ratcliffe are not, at this stage, working with any consortium or investment partners."
This is the problem. INEOS might be the moral preference for some but it doesn't do enough.
Unfortunately, the only BID that does what the fans want is the Qatar one, invest heavily in the infrastructure, clear debts and invest in the playing 11.
I didn’t say they did. You’re putting the 5-10 year time frame on it, not me. They had some success in the 90s, then got into debt and sucked in the 2000s, apart from some cups. Still far more success than Newcastle/City in the 20 years prior to their takeovers.
Oh sorry, you said they had success. Even then, you are wrong because Newcastle in the 1900's had success too...
It is Qatar or stay on the same spot. Dept will stay with Ineos. On top of that (and this is purely my opinion), Ineos will search for profit. People judgement is clouded with "Sir Jim is United fan" but at the end his company's board and investors will not care about it. They will want money return for their huge huge investment.
So yeah, Qatar or a bust basically.
Sorry mate but can you just read what I said instead of being wrong twice? I said they had success far more recently than Newcastle, not that Newcastle never had success.
I need to mute this thread.
Haha, so success is based on your timelines.. it has to be a specific period so you can run your narrative
I don't get the sense that Sheikh Jassim would win the bid for United and then start throwing around silly money like Qatari owners did at PSG funding the contracts for Neymar, Mbappe and Messi
With the debt cleared and an improved stadium, I could see the money rolling in thicker and faster anyway and us being able to compete for any player, but I don't see them going ridiculous.
With the debt cleared and an improved stadium, I could see the money rolling in thicker and faster anyway and us being able to compete for any player, but I don't see them going ridiculous.
Our main issue is absolutely the current dept. United generate a massive amount of money every year.
But to be fair, Brexit Jim wants to put a bike man in charge of running our operations and intends to put the Manchester back into Manchester United. So some positives.
United dept?
Haha, so success is based on your timelines.. it has to be a specific period so you can run your narrative
I was replying to a poster who claimed PSG were a nothing club. At no point have I said PSG are more successful than Newcastle, or are bigger because the success is more recent.
All I stated was the following:
PSG had previous success (you blabbered on about it not being 5 to 10 years prior to takeover).
It was more recent than Newcastle’s success (you’ve taken this as PSG being more successful, I haven’t said that).
This is probably one of the stranger interactions I’ve had on here.
He's having a shocker in hereHaha, so success is based on your timelines.. it has to be a specific period so you can run your narrative
This.
And as United fans, after the blood sucking owners we've had for the past 18 years, deserve to have no debts and all money generated put back into the club.
I'd sooner that than being owned by another autocrat.
What's confusing? You said that if we want spending on infrastructure, it's Qatar. But it's clear that INEOS also have intentions to invest in the club's infrastructure.
Alongside of getting rid of the debt and not having a business first, football second mentality. You conveniently missed all the rest out!
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