So we're Coca Cola now? Well, at least, it's red.
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So we're Coca Cola now? Well, at least, it's red.
Wow that's insane haha.Is this okay to say?
This.I like Pepsi better though
To be fair, with their 6 CL titles and 19 EPL titles, Liverpool are the right contender for Coca Cola as well. They are not Pepsi (the soda) in the traditional mind, i.e. when talking about the soda itself. Cause soda wise, Coca Cola is the real soda and many don't even consider Pepsi.
But if talking about market cap, since we have Coca Cola Co at $257B, PepsiCo at $239B and Red Bull is currently valued at €16.96B or $18B, that should be the order of magnitude on how we see those clubs.
So Coca Cola Co = United, Pepsi Co = Liverpool and Red Bull = City.
Fans controlling the club haha. That would end in a disaster. Fecking bin those genevra clowns. We don't want them.
Fans controlling the club would be an absolute farce.
We would buy Patrick Schick for 200m and that be our business done.
Who put LuckyScout in charge of transfers?
The analogue really doesn't have anything to do with performance. It's all about perception. Coke being the more dominant brand in terms of perception and brand equity.
United is more dominant in terms of customers/fans, social engagements etc compared to Liverpoolwe are perceived to be the bigger, better brand
A million percent this. People just aren't thinking about this. Why on earth would they gift the club hundreds of millions of pounds (potentially billions) when they have put absolutely feck all in so far.
They are selling.
These guys have also intimated the club has been run badly and want it to end with a 50% fan ownership. Every bidder is saying the Glazers are shite.
Fair, so it's really the soda perception. I was actually surprised by the Pepsi market cap so one can tell the perception I had about the soda market was wrong.
Maybe they will be told to shut up aswellThese guys have also intimated the club has been run badly and want it to end with a 50% fan ownership. Every bidder is saying the Glazers are shite.
It's good in a way, that minority share bid. Because it only serves to highlight that there is no way anyone person or collective is going to buy out the 4 Glazers who want out, to then not have any voting rights.
The only way Avram and Joel stay on at United is if they can buy out their siblings themselves. Otherwise all paths lead to them being minority owners or not owners.
The only way Avram and Joel stay on at United is if they can buy out their siblings themselves. Otherwise all paths lead to them being minority owners or not owners.
If he's making it known he's determained to buy United, that tells me that's a public declaration that he'll stump up the money. He'll not run from this deal.
Glazers find a buyer for Darcia and Co's shares - no money comes into the club and we put off much needed infrasrructual development whilst taking on three times more debt which will be, one way or the other, secured on the club. The two remainders, are then left with a huge interest bill that could eat up into all the club's profits.
Newcastle, Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea eventually boot us out of CL qualification contention. ETH is lured away, stars leave and good luck engineering a $10b valuation.
The Glazers have never really invested any of their money into the club. What did they get for their IPO? A visionary and interested ownership would have ploughed that into the club to rebuild the stadium and would now rightly walk away with a mega fee but they squandered it all.
Now we are expected to believe that a real investor, having seen the disasterclass this lot presided over, would come in and entrust them with a billions with no significant voice on how it will be used. Or that they'd cede part of their shareholding to fund the ground and other things whilst walking away from billions!
Newcastle, Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea eventually boot us out of CL qualification contention. ETH is lured away, stars leave and good luck engineering a $10b valuation.
The Glazers have never really invested any of their money into the club. What did they get for their IPO? A visionary and interested ownership would have ploughed that into the club to rebuild the stadium and would now rightly walk away with a mega fee but they squandered it all.
Now we are expected to believe that a real investor, having seen the disasterclass this lot presided over, would come in and entrust them with a billions with no significant voice on how it will be used. Or that they'd cede part of their shareholding to fund the ground and other things whilst walking away from billions!
Solhekol and Keegan are on Qatar's payroll then I guess? They certainly talk like they are.
Keegan definitely has contacts in the Qatar camp by the looks of his exclusives.
feck me Jassim reads the caf daily doesnt he
He's probably on here...
I just think Qatar will not want to lose face, especially with the ownership of the neighbours, and this will go through.
I'm willing to bet they will outbid Ratcliffe if he makes a second bid and he wisely will not want to get into a bidding war with them.
It seems inevitable, sadly.
I'm willing to bet they will outbid Ratcliffe if he makes a second bid and he wisely will not want to get into a bidding war with them.
It seems inevitable, sadly.
No they can't.
To fund infrastructure investment, they have two options (debt or equity). They could sell part of their shares and invest some of that money into the club. That would mean they have done something they haven't done in 18 yeas...put their own money into the club.
The second option is more feasible. They borrow against the club to fund the investment. Trouble is the fans will ensure no game is played at that stadium.
The minority stake doesn't pay for the infrastructure. Even if the other siblings are bought out, infrastructural investment will need to be funded by debt or equity from somwhere. All a minority stake means is replacing one owner for another, the problem doesn't go away.
This will either be a full sale or the Glazers stay and there is no capital investment for the forseeable. Our financial position makes a sale more urgent. There is no cash, we have significant liabilities (not even accounting for transfer liabilities) and the stadium is crumbling.
Yes, but knowing how the Glazers operate, they will get minority investment to pay off the siblings and continue to run Manutd like they have been.
I am pretty sure if the Glazers remain in charge, there will be no infrastructure upgrade because there is no money.
We barely have money for transfers now. They will make minor upgrades, they will sell naming rights etc... to re paint he stadium etc...
The 'leavers' within the Glazer family represent the majority. Thus unless they dig deep inside their personal pockets then they will be forced to rescind control over the club. They might think that they are wise but the Elliotts of these world would wipe the floor with them
Indeed he does. Its me. Send me all your bank details, I want to give you all £10 for being so understanding.
I think I might need more explaining on this.
I cannot understand why anyone like Elliots would want to invest as a minority, so the Glazers can pay the siblings off?
Its a lose lose right? Glazers have an awful reputation, so any company investing will be targeted for supporting the glazer, they won't clear the debt on the club.
So really they are getting nothing.
I’ve read that even if there’s one Glazer left they would still control the club?
When are the bidders getting "more details" as being said and recycled for last 5-6 days?
I am reliability informed that we will 100% get on 29th February!
Sorry if this sounds over the top but if this Qatari deal doesn't go through and we get SJR with all his debt or even worse the Glazers stay, then a lot of our own fan base will be to blame.
This is our chance to make up for years of bad ownership and the club being used as a cash cow.
Instead some have chosen to take a disingenuous high ground on Qatari ownership while happily buying sweat shop made Adidas clothing or Apple products made in Chinese factories where staff are committing suicide.
This is the time to stick together, not give the leeches we have in charge another reason to stay.
This is our chance to make up for years of bad ownership and the club being used as a cash cow.
Instead some have chosen to take a disingenuous high ground on Qatari ownership while happily buying sweat shop made Adidas clothing or Apple products made in Chinese factories where staff are committing suicide.
This is the time to stick together, not give the leeches we have in charge another reason to stay.
How can you blame the fan base for what the Glazers decide to do with the club? The Glazers, Qatar, and Ratcliffe don't give a shit what we think and will not deviate from their plans because of our feelings. If the club remains with the Glazers, it's simply because they've chosen not to sell, if it ends up with Ratcliffe or the Qataris, it's because their offer was the best on the table for the Glazers.
Here we go again..........
McQuire for me.
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