Maybe? But this is also true, if you believe it otherwise you just live in a top 5 league nation, and are totally unaware of how football is outside. Football isn’t a morally sound industry. But yeah, this above is more to do with having enough of this dumb unimportant drivel. I support united and will continue supporting no matter if the owners are Caritas or Kim Jong-un.
This is surely a piss take?
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Whoa you really don’t sit on the fence. Well it’s not so much a fence as a curb. Can you even say fence any more? Either way, or one way, who knows. Well, they know, but the others don’t know.
It’s mainly the dream of posters who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
I wish it would just all be over so we can get back to fully supporting the manager and the team again
I fear this takeover (if it happens) will take months yet.
So? If its a club you didn’t hear about is it not real? Does it not have supporters? And what if it was in the past? I struggle to understand your point. I definitely won’t do research to further validate a forum opinion.
As a general question, can you honestly do anything about it? If not, just make a decision for yourself if you want to continue supporting who ever you support (club or sport in general) and be done with it if the takeover happens.
Something something apolitical centrist...
It might take months for it to be completed, but I think in the next few weeks we'll definitely find out where the wind is blowing.
What is your values?
That’s not the point the best team doesn’t always win the Champions league you don’t have to be good to be lucky!
PSG = None
City = None
SAF = 2 in his entire career
Pep = 2 in his entire career, none for over 12 years despite spending over a billion quid.
Klopp = 1 in his entire career
Arsenal = none in entire history of club
Juve = 2 in entire history of club
Safe to say it’s hard to win. That doesn’t mean you can’t have a season from nowhere where everything seems to just fall into place mind.
I mean, Inter in 2010 won everything, one of only 6 European team to ever win the treble, they were an incredible team so no idea why you idea them? And otherwise what? You’ve offered
3 examples from 30 years of CL football and think you’ve proven a point, you’ve in fact, with that, proven yourself wrong
Calling that Inter team "incredible" is a massive exaggeration. They parked the bus and it worked. I never said it wasn't hard to win the champions league, my point is the best team doesn't always win like Real last year. Is that a more recent example for you? Don't answer that I only get 3 messages a day and I don't want to hear more about Arsenal never winning the Champions league.. Honestly you should know better!!
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We can be against them but unfortunately the club will go to the highest bidder be it Ineos, Qatar or US condominium. And thats because the Glazers are twats, they never cared much about the club so why should they now?
I wonder if the govt white paper is being studied by prospective bidders
I'm sure it is but I'd also imagine both Qatar and Ratcliffe have the contacts to have already known what was going to be in it.
Prospective bidders will be taking a close look. Along with the ESL stuff, this seems pertinent (from the BBC article):
The regulator will introduce an "enhanced" test which will replace the current process implemented by the Premier League, Football League and Football Association.
According to the government, it will lead to "ensuring good custodians of clubs, stronger due diligence on sources of wealth and a requirement for robust financial planning".
The suitability of Premier League's owners' and directors' test has been criticised in the past, most recently following the Saudi Arabian-backed takeover of Newcastle.
Amnesty International urged the league to change the test to address human rights issues, with the Saudi state accused of human rights abuses.
A bid for Manchester United by Sheikh Jassim bin Hamad Al Thani, the chairman of one of Qatar's biggest banks, has also raised concerns among human rights and LGBTQ+ groups.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64536218
I don't disagree. I'm fine with Qatar and the other bidders(no hedge funds though!) mate, just also fine with other people's opinions. Just don't enjoy the hard core from both sides.
Edit, sorry forgot to mention. i'm good with all sides.
100% this. Bunch of narcissistic, RAWK-sounding arse-kissers.
Dude... I think you over-idealise what a 'club' is supposed to be. That idea of what you think a club it's supposed to be, died decades ago. The idea of players doing it for the love of the game and then retiring gracefully, owning a pub or a record store too?
This sums up the last 600 pages. A discussion between folks who think what football/club is supposed to represent and actual reality. Idealism versus pragmatism.
Division also society today is becoming far weaker as a result of this hyper sensitivity. People think the agendas are favourable but it will cause further disarray. This is not mutually exclusive to this football ethics conversation but a generalisation of what's in the world today. Nothing but foolishness when you turn on social media, the news through the tell-lie-vision.
Its the world we are in -- everything has been simplified and converted to binary choices. This why its easier to get outraged by emotions rather than actually thinking about things.
Black & white when the reality of the world is 80% are shades of grey.There are nuances and no easy choices in life. Everything is tainted -- issues of degrees of separation or time bar.
Here's a great idea...we as fans can do feck all about who buys our club. You'll understand that la
Easier to manipulate IMO. Less thinking as they are governed by a simplistic set of rules.
This good. That is bad because of 1,2,3,4.
Well, we have 2 different sets of data and none of them shows that QIA owns 50% of QIB as you claimed.
650 pages of therapy.
I agree and what's worse is that perceivably the rules give off the impression of being simplistic but they are disingenuous to being straightforward being embellished in complication and disillusionment. Reminds me of the book called the coddling of the American mind. It deals with the realities of fragile societies. It's getting progressively worse each year.
A simple trick in sales -- when you are initially pitching the product/proposal, offer 3-4 options.
But if you want to close the deal, offer 2 choices.
Well said.
This is exactly how Glazer United started.
With the introduction of an independent regulatory body that has the power to prevent English clubs from joining any breakaway leagues such as the ESL, there’s one less reason for the Glazers stay now.
Firstly at the time, I don't think, at the moment there are enough incentives for clubs to break away from the PL --- unless the TV revenues start to level out and the EFL start to really eat into the Big Six's revenues.
Currently, the PL gives the EFL 16% or £400 million of its annual TV revenues. But the EFL wants up to 25% or another additional £250 million annually. (total of £650million annually)
The Big Six for obvious reasons are pushing back the most and have the biggest incentives to find additional revenue streams.
So I don't think its so clear cut. Besides, a Tory-appointee..... one that's susceptible to 'lobbying'.
What could go wrong?
When there's 84% non state? No.
Agreed.
We have no say either way. You either figure out how to accept the new owners whoever they may be or you don’t. It’s not like Green & Gold or whatever campaign stopped the Glazers doing anything so it’s not going to stop them selling to whoever they want to.
such a bizarre stance
I didn't say that. But they own 16% of it, therefore 16% of it is state owned. They obviously have a significant say.
Or do you dispute that as well?
The only reason I have doubts about Qatar bids is not really ethical reasons but more because PSG and City have still to win a Champions league.
So maybe it’s not going to be the best footballing investment.
So maybe it’s not going to be the best footballing investment.
This is highly relevant. This is another defeat for the glazers and I actually think it makes a full sale inevitable now, if it wasn’t before.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64536218
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64536218
Good point.
If they start doing a City on it and pumping us up beyond our level, I'll switch off but if we're still Man United I'll be happy.
It's the sporting side of this that concerns me with Qatar.
There would be owners who I couldn't stomach, but I don't really see what's so bad with these potential owners as long as they play by the rules. Eh City
Agreed. Possibly complicates the qatari bid as well, though I'd say it can still happen.
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