Thought Raine told everyone to shut the feck up. Won't help their bid, this.
Club Sale | It’s done!
- Thread starter JB08
- Start date
- Status
Genuinely curious why you think this? Because of Singer?
It's about wanting the lesser of two evils for me. Glazers, for me, is the lesser of those two evils. I detest them, but I would hate being owned by Qatar even more.
Spot on. I couldn't agree anymore. This is why I just don't get why people seriously believe the Glazers could stay.
You maybe missed the part I was specifically replying to a post claiming the "western democratic governments" UK and USA is better than a ME government like Qatar.
Because they are one of the worst predatory funds out there
Didn’t they nearly bring down the Argentine government over money owed to them?
Elliott have a tonne of different teams and actual experience with European football now - look at AC. I'm personally against it because it keeps the Glazers in as I understand it but this isn't a sovereign debt or asset stripping scenario.
I think i am cracking a bottle open between the Glaziers spouting at bringing in another vulture in Singer to feed on the carcass and liverpool 2-0 up against Madrid this day is going from bad to worse. Just down my first one and turned to see 2-1 that me def on it now.
Back when they were trying to stop the Glazer takeover. Qatar said no because they were in talks to buy PSG at the time
Think it was a navy ship they took
Might have misinterpreted you again, but sure feels like it based on you appearance in this debate.
The fanbase is global and not very homogenic, it's even divided in Manchester in isolation, so you are bound to get different views on what is important regarding potential new owners. Some people apparently see the club as an extension of themselves, others just want the club to have the best foundation possible for continued success. Also people don't like having their morals questioned, which make the debate even more delicate.
Ideally I would prefer Cantona owning the club and running it as a self-sustainable model but that is sadly so far from being realistic as possible. The rise of PL clubs' are starting to price out even the most wealthy individual, meaning we are stuck with mostly state funds and consortiums/aggressive investment banks-funded bids.
Personally I have no trouble saying that I prefer Qatar ownership than the current model SJR has seemingly presented, for different reasons. For SJR I find his PR to be really poor since he was touted as our saviour a year ago. From the failed Chelsea bid to him teaming up with the worst of investment banks (there goes the moral aspect also, even if that is not the main reason) - him appealing to the nationalists and Mancunians doesn't even seem reliable based on his own personal choices and connection with Chelsea (copy paste statement?) and for me it has left me with more questions and red flags than reassuring answers.
From what I know the Qatar bid seems to be the best one sporting-wise also. We need to have significant investments in infrastructure to keep being among the best sustainable clubs in the future and my impressions of Qataris is that they will deliver.
My background is that I have a keen interested in the ME region (whilst being Western) and specifically the developments on many areas (human, innovations, opportunities etc). I have personally experienced big changes the past decades in the perhaps most well-known part of ME to Westerners - UAE, or more specifically Dubai. Whilst they have a long way to satisfy Western expectations when it comes to issues important to them (LGBT, migrant worker's rights etc.), they still have made significant changes. I could write several paragraphs going into detail of why I believe changes will continue to come but I can shorten it to say that my impression of Qatar is that they have seen Dubai's acceptance (ie. access to Western money) into the Western world and see that as a main road to go down to diversify their economy for the future. Their beliefs and laws have deep cultural and religious roots and it takes time to make changes to that. That doesn't mean we should accept violations in the meantime, but dialogue not boycott is the way forward.
Also want to say I find the Western, more specifically UK-based, reporting on the region extremely lazy in general. That may or may not be rooted in racism, but it seems very ignorant.
Last edited:
Hold on a second, there are some who have equated any criticism of Qatar as islamophobia and racism. I don't think anyone is going after those in favour of Qatar to the same degree in order to shut down their opinions.
Nor are any of those in favour of SJR and Ineos against his offer being scrutinised. In fact, as one of those in favour I encourage it. I think as fans, we at least deserve to know how any potential owner is going to fund the club and where those funds are coming from.
The insecurities I am seeing are from those who don't want to be challenged on why they've suddenly flipped their entire view of State ownership. Which I'd argue is a perfectly valid thing to question given the current situation. If posters like @Wumminator suddenly started calling them homophobic because of their support there'd be a problem, but I don't see the issue with asking questions.
Edit as I have no posts left: @M4YON if that's the case then it's good you called it out. Think such attacks cheapen arguments, whether it's homophobic or racism.
Last edited:
Anyone in here able to hack the data room?
Which is pretty ballsey in itself but I’m sure I read that the Argentinians owed billions and Elliot was on of the few funds that didn’t settle on an agreement and pursued them for years to get their 2-3billion back, hence seizing the ship.
These cnuts are the epitome of greed and money and united fans setting light to old Trafford itself wouldn’t faze this lot….so not too far removed from the Glazers in that respect.
Nice area, walked through there yesterday.
AC was a bit of a shit show the way they handled it. Especially with Gazidis and Maldini. Whether or not they have a ton of different teams or not. What is true is that they will only be in it for value extraction.
Hypothetically there are six siblings with 69.9% of the voting shares, we know that Joel and Avram would like to buy their other 4 siblings out so assuming the 6 siblings want £6bn which is £1bn each why would the other 4 who are not as interested in owning united accept the current share price for their 46.33% of voting shares of £500m each when they could get at least £850m-1bn for the same shares from Qatar investors, just to make the other two brothers happy.
Can’t see it and think it’s a huge bluff by the brokers selling the club to get the bid up to their sale with ‘no questions asked value’ of £6bn, in reality they have all already probably agreed they take £5.2-5.4bn or $6.3-6.5bn plus the new owners are fully responsible for clearing the outstanding debt of £500m from the club.
After the Raine Group take their commission of $300m, each sibling takes a cool billion dollars each. It’s all a cat and mouse game and they are trying to force the sale process.
Can’t see it and think it’s a huge bluff by the brokers selling the club to get the bid up to their sale with ‘no questions asked value’ of £6bn, in reality they have all already probably agreed they take £5.2-5.4bn or $6.3-6.5bn plus the new owners are fully responsible for clearing the outstanding debt of £500m from the club.
After the Raine Group take their commission of $300m, each sibling takes a cool billion dollars each. It’s all a cat and mouse game and they are trying to force the sale process.
He did, I even called him out on it.
Qatar tried to buy United in 2011, they were told not for sale so moved onto PSG.
Most AC fans I know (albeit it's 2) were happy with them - obviously they'll be there to make money, the only owners who won't be are the sportswashers. I think priority is Glazers out and any non state in who won't milk the club.
Elliot means Glazers in…
Yep, see my post literally a few back
I’d love to know how many bids there really were on Friday and who from. The secrecy element of this process really sucks!
The issue with Elliott is the loan and the interest rates. If you take AC Milan as an example the alleged interest rate is 7% and additional 8% in PIK. That would cripple United.
brother I read them tweets and pledged my sword
exactly. They’re going. They’ve sucked every last drop out, the mutts
I can't believe how many people are blinded by literally 10 years of mediocre success, instead of winning leagues every other year. We haven't even had a proper title calibre manager in that period, Mourinho was past it, the rest never had a chance of winning it, in reality. To so happily surrender the club to become the plaything of a state, an extremely contentious state at that; to allow the club to become part of some political game, is just mind boggling to me. We could easily challenge for the title next year with a few signings in the summer, is that not good enough for people? feck it, who cares about human rights, let's just let an oil baron play FM and never have a struggle again. How entertaining.
Why so aggressive? Relax my guy.
im going off what’s been out there for months. And the more conservative side. Just calmo yourself down
I am...lend me £5b!
Give me Jassim if it means I can get a player like Benzema!
Can't help think the silent bids could be bad news for the club, so happy to stay quiet
They know what they're doing.
The Chelsea sale being public showed what happens when some odious individuals get close to the finish line and the Chelsea pushed back hard.
Imagine if we had someone like Balmer bidding close to what Qatar are. No way Qatar would get in
No one’s aggressive mate, it’s just not a factual statement
Not according to the guy who was in charge of the Red Knights. He spoke to the Qataris.
Well I don't know who that guy is and haven't seen the quotes, but it was pretty widely reported back in 2011 from what I remember. No idea if how serious the bid was to be fair.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-1-5bn-bid-buy-Manchester-United-Glazers.html
Jim O'Neill said he tried to involve minority Qatar investment in the Red Knights bid but they went with PSG instead for mostly political reasons.
Yeah for the first time in a while it looks less positive,so right now I would take either of these two just to get it out of those leeches hands
Give me Jassim if it means I can get a player like Benzema!
His contract is up in the summer,need agents Rapha & Casa to get on the case
It was Jim O’Neil who led the Red Knights, he said it was for political reasons they went for PSG (end goal in getting a WC) and it worked. He also said people shouldn’t be upset about where money comes from, the UK economy can’t survive without it.
- Status