Wouldn't the Glazers get way more money if they sold all their shares than use the refinancing option, as they would just get measly dividends every year? Also, the refinancing option won't help as the reason why they did not take dividends this year is that the club is not making enough profit for them. They have no money! We will also be in more debt.
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But what is the split of votes in those? Are the votes generally...divided between the two opinions?
Lets be honest all 3 known bids so far are from massive cnuts.
It just depends how cnuty we want to get. If we're getting rid of 1 set of cnuts for another, then i'd rather it be a very wealthy cnut.
If we're going to be morally corrupt, at least pay us handsomly for it and let us enjoy some success.
It just depends how cnuty we want to get. If we're getting rid of 1 set of cnuts for another, then i'd rather it be a very wealthy cnut.
If we're going to be morally corrupt, at least pay us handsomly for it and let us enjoy some success.
At end of the day Qartar buy us, clears all the debt and back Ten Hag with investing in his squad and invest in new stadium and other parts of the club then happy days. Sounds like they said the right stuff in their statement.
I'm sure all the negative ones moaning about it will be the ones that the day utd open up a new stadium or facilities for the fans to see will be trying their hardest for tickets to see it and watch utd play at it.
I'm sure all the negative ones moaning about it will be the ones that the day utd open up a new stadium or facilities for the fans to see will be trying their hardest for tickets to see it and watch utd play at it.
The article is completely fair and balanced imo. I think you're looking for reasons to be offended and are conflating a number of things.
He's only defending the poll in the sense that they ran a poll and published the results as they are. He talks about the wave of negativity they got online and mentions that it's hard to know how invested these accounts are in Man United, which is fair given these are Twitter accounts most likely.
He says the club should be able to stand on its own two feet within the context of a point about the 1.5 billion the Glazers have cost the club. It's true that the club has enough commercial revenue that that should be possible and the Glazers are the reason that it isn't.
He also addresses your last point here so I'm not sure what that point is arguing against.
Well the mass manufacture and sale of chemicals isn't great for the environment but then neither is the trillions of barrels of oil and gas either.
As far as I'm aware INEOS aren't human rights abusers though who let their workers die needlessly.
Jim Ratcliffe is miles richer than the Glazers and is also a fan of the club who is from Greater Manchester. Would be a much better solution than selling our soul to them lot
But spending on a stadium is sometimes essential (building standards, accessibility standards) and guarantees revenue growth.
So no, makes little sense.
That’s where I am at. The biggest of cnuts are the Glazers. Get them out!
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Most players holiday and own homes in the ME.
This, the club has done training camps in the Middle-East too, we accept sponsors from China and previously Russia
state of that mind. Anyone who thinks the only problem with the glazers is investment needs a reality check . With investment they would still be completely incompetent on how to run a football club.
Mate rates and that.
Mate rates and that.
Online polls (except the closed one from the Atheltic) have Qatar at around 70-80%.
The poll was conducted on the Athletic portal/site which you have to be a paid subscriber to partake in. It was presented factually and fairly in relation to the poll itself, however it was suggested that it was "United fans" which didnt have a caveat of "That subscribe to the Atheletic and could be fans from any club", the same argument that rightfully could be levelled against twitter polls.
Maybe 10 years ago the club could have stood on its own two feet, not in 2023. Not when a single player costs 100m or a stadium rebuild costs 1.5-2bln or when the competition has seemingly bottomless pockets. We can be better on our own two feet (without debt) but we can not compete at the top level, that would take another decade or so and by which point the other clubs in the league would have received the kind of investment City and Newcastle have.
In isolation, United is self sustaining but so could be the local chippy, but its not competing with McDonalds is it.
We are at a crossroads, accept we will be a middle of the road, fairly successful club as in, top 10 and the occasional cup and be happy with it, or take the route the rest of the dominant teams in the league will and get the ownership that is questionable in roots but unmistakably driven to make us best in class, like we once were, the best we can hope is along the way we provide the context and dive for the owners to change bit by bit locally.
Spending more than you can afford does not make sense.
Can’t buy player x for 50m but are allowed to undergo a 1b project? In what world does the that save a club from an owner walking away while allowing the latter?
They didn’t add it to FFP with every club in favour of it for fun
There's a poll on this very forum and it doesn't indicate overwhelming support for the Qatari bid.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/act...ential-qatari-ownership.475659/#post-30158004
And there's a new one, currently sitting 50/50 let's see how that one pans out.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/qatar-or-ineos-which-owners-would-you-prefer.475744/#post-30179907
But you’re downplaying one for the other. That’s my point.
Haha, there's like 20 votes. I see you've missed my shared poll tweets, above!
I'm neither in favour or against SJR or QIB; some info on QIB have an investor document Qatar Islamic Bank (Q.P.S.C.) Investor Presentation Sep October 2020 (qib.com.qa) to January 2023. QIA own 16.7% of shares in QIB the rest is other individuals/businesses. Non-Qatar individuals/businesses can own up to 49% of QIB. QIA equity ownership in Qatar banks is reported to go back to 2008. There is zero reference in the document to QIA/state involvement in running QIB, there is a hierarchy of issues raised in the Qatar Banking sector on page 8.
To be honest, there are several reasons as to why I'd be opposed to Qatari ownership, with many already stated.
However, if we do end up getting bought by the Qatari, there might not be as great of an issue as some suspect. The biggest being them using United to push their politics
If we do look at PSG, what QSI has done is inject money to give some sort of identity to a club that (lets be honest) didn't have much of one to begin with. What they chose was to be associated with luxury and expensive high-profile stars.. Without pushing any politics of promoting Qatar nor their views on the LGBTQ+ community. Last year they even played with the rainbow flag on their backs.
This doesn't change where the money comes from, nor how it has been earned (on backs of people where human rights have been broken).
But if we do get bought, this is what I hope/expect to see.
United already has an identity, a strong following and is the biggest brand in world football. I don't see them messing with this, there is history, emotion and passion that they could only dream of in PSG.
Local community is a big part of what makes United great, given the promise on investing in the facilities, I hope this will extend to the people living in the area.
Build on the probably only good thing to come out of Glazer administration, which is commercial sponsor success allowing the club to more or less be self sufficient.
Silent ownership akin to what is going on at Newcastle.
However, if we do end up getting bought by the Qatari, there might not be as great of an issue as some suspect. The biggest being them using United to push their politics
If we do look at PSG, what QSI has done is inject money to give some sort of identity to a club that (lets be honest) didn't have much of one to begin with. What they chose was to be associated with luxury and expensive high-profile stars.. Without pushing any politics of promoting Qatar nor their views on the LGBTQ+ community. Last year they even played with the rainbow flag on their backs.
This doesn't change where the money comes from, nor how it has been earned (on backs of people where human rights have been broken).
But if we do get bought, this is what I hope/expect to see.
United already has an identity, a strong following and is the biggest brand in world football. I don't see them messing with this, there is history, emotion and passion that they could only dream of in PSG.
Local community is a big part of what makes United great, given the promise on investing in the facilities, I hope this will extend to the people living in the area.
Build on the probably only good thing to come out of Glazer administration, which is commercial sponsor success allowing the club to more or less be self sufficient.
Silent ownership akin to what is going on at Newcastle.
There’s only one real option for against?
I think the question really should be would you accept a Qatari bid. Not wanting it but still supporting the club really doesn’t make a difference imo.
That’s where I’m at.
These journos seems to be after some kind of huge divide when a lot of it is just resigned acceptance.
If you wanted a club to resign themselves to oil money then having the Galzers for 20 years is the perfect lead in. It’s like a perfect storm
Hopefully there is weight behind this, could just be made up, but incredible if true.
Made up aid stats won't change the fact it's illegal to be gay there in 2023.
You mean the ones you posted after the post I actually replied to? Yes sorry mate my time machine was acting up.
All I was saying was there's two polls on this forum
The Glazers will not do that. The line that they're exploring all options and may stay on things is a bargaining chip to try and get the best price as far as I can seem. There simply is no money to service a significantly larger debt if the Glazers stay so it's a non-starter.
Well I'm not an idiot to think that any billionaire is squeaky clean but comparing Jim to the Qataris really is stretching to say the least.
And as I keep saying if Jim was the richest bidder you'd have the opposite opinion so it's clearly only money on your mind. Sports washing works.
There is also a poll currently underway on the subreddit. If you go by the comments, INEOS should win by a landslide.
You mean the ones you posted after the post I actually replied to? Yes sorry mate my time machine was acting up.
All I was saying was there's two polls on this forum
It says that I put my tweets post at around 26 mins ago, and you replied around 18 mins ago!
Anyhow, we got there in the end.
Good point. Was getting worried about the Elliot Group but what you said makes sense. Unless if they decide to rename the stadium
It says that I put my tweets post at around 26 mins ago, and you replied around 18 mins ago!
Anyhow, we got there in the end.
This thread moves that fast that it's hard to keep up to be fair.
It’s no where near as one sided as it’s being played out in the press with local match going fans.
Leicester yesterday speaking to the lads I usually sit with they were all for Qatar barely heard anyone calling for Jim, heard many others too.
Media are trying to play the local season ticket holders only want Jim this is far from the truth.
Leicester yesterday speaking to the lads I usually sit with they were all for Qatar barely heard anyone calling for Jim, heard many others too.
Media are trying to play the local season ticket holders only want Jim this is far from the truth.
They quite literally said they polled their own subscribers so if you can't work that one out I don't know what to say.
As for the rest you're not really convincing me it's not a fair article. United can stand on their own two feet without debt. With the right structure and the right manager we can compete. Can you not see that from this season?
Haha, this I agree.
Shame it's making the fans so divided, especially after we're so United to get rid of the Glazers.
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