Rolaholic
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What principles are on being owned by a company which is one of the biggest polluter in Europe, by a few banks, and by a tax dodger?Money over principles. Fair enough.
Take it to the other threadBecause most people view the gulf as one entity and are genuinely not outraged by the crime but by who does it. Add to that a very limited, ignorant awareness, of what is actually going on in each country. Tbf often their perceptions are influenced by a media with its own agenda.
1) Qatar is a relatively neutral country. It’s not bombing or invading anyone. It minds its own business and invests in other countries. It’s one of the biggest givers of charity in the world.
2) The main criticisms of Qatar also apply to every other country, especially those whose media are the most vocal opponents of Qatar. Julian Assange says hi from Belmarsh prison where he’s been for 5 or more years. For exposing US war crimes.
Saudi under Bin Salmon is completely different.
1) Anti government voices are killed
2) People protesting their homes being destroyed to build new cities/roads are put in prison or killed
3) The war against Yemen is no different to Russia Vs Ukraine. Probably worse from an airstrikes point of view.
So Qatar is nothing like Saudi. It genuinely speaks to people’s ignorance (or something else )when they equate the two as being similar.
The United Stand did a poll, 12000 responses, 50% of fans are UK, 50% are worldwide, and the demographics split pretty evenly across age groups, and the results were 80% for Qatar.What is a real life United fan and how does the athletic insure the measures are put in place in their poll
Again if we have a poll on the cafe let’s see what it says.
I do not believe Ratcliffe comes on top in any poll no matter what region.
We’re going to rip everything up just when we’ve got our shit together.
OuffWhat principles are on being owned by a company which is one of the biggest polluter in Europe, by a few banks, and by a tax dodger?
He wants to bid 4bn for a 1-2bn discount, on the back of fan sentiment etc and hopefully backlash against the middle east. Probably would pay lipservice for a few years then flip it if he won it, but mostly just wants the profile/slow news cycles.
We all have jobs, some of us for huge companies. If that was the price, so many other bidders would be interested. But they don't live in fairy land where bids for a few billion less are accepted, so they don't waste their time. If you made a fire sale for the club at 4bn, it'd be like the costco line at 7am when they sold the sony OLED for £600. Nobody else is wasting their time, because thats not the price. Hell if the price was 4bn I could probably get it off JSC and moonlight as Man Utd chairman for a season or two. We could do management and transfer votes by poll on redcafe.
Yet Ratcliffe keeps briefing that this is his bid etc etc....
We’re going to rip everything up just when we’ve got our shit together.
The structure was one of the key things ETH pushed for during his interview.Inevitable, every buyer will appoint new people.
The question is to what degree that will extend into the football part of the club, so essentially Murtough and below.
I dont think you United need capital going in when you consider Glazer ownership has taken £1bn out for debt, dividends etc. THe stadium is another issue though. Ratcliffe is not buying Utd for profit.I do not think any capitalist businessman will buy United without any strings attached. Sure, the debt might be in INEOS for example, but then likely there will be dividends from United that will go to their parent company. And it is very unlikely that INEOS/Ratcliffe will give money to United (which we probably might need if we want to compete with City/Newcastle).
I was referring to people, as in human beings, who I, also a real person, know in my actual physical life. These people, in my real life, are supporters of Manchester United and we have had conversations, in person, that reflect the opinion of that particular poll. As I said, these are just people I know in real life, in Manchester, who support Manchester United and is a small sample size that will likely not replicate the opinions of Red Cafe.
We’re going to rip everything up just when we’ve got our shit together.
He is not putting his own money there, and it is gonna be debt leveraged (be it if the debt is on United, or INEOS, United's parent company). He is probably gonna get money from United back, some way or another.I dont think you United need capital going in when you consider Glazer ownership has taken £1bn out for debt, dividends etc. THe stadium is another issue though. Ratcliffe is not buying Utd for profit.
Have you even read the full outlet? The reports appear to say it'll be a Qatari CEO which makes them no more qualified.Inject it . Murtough should go quickly after.
We’re going to rip everything up just when we’ve got our shit together.
The United Stand did a poll, 12000 responses, 50% of fans are UK, 50% are worldwide, and the demographics split pretty evenly across age groups, and the results were 80% for Qatar.
We’re going to rip everything up just when we’ve got our shit together.
We’re going to rip everything up just when we’ve got our shit together.
I've been told plenty of times, the CEO does not need to be involved in football matters.Have you even read the full outlet? The reports appear to say it'll be a Qatari CEO which makes them no more qualified.
Arnold had the sense to know he's not best qualified for the footballing decisions and empowered the manager and DoF.Don't really mind Arnold getting the boot here. I assume they'll keep Murtough + Ten Hag around for a bit.
Funnily enough I thought Arnold played the political game perfectly by saying his job is to have the money available and Murtough's job is build a winning squad.
He effectively put the responsibility for the transfer business on one individual. That wasn't the case under Woody so he got a lot of flak for every wrong decision.
New CEO can do the same. Murtough keeps his job as long as he delivers.
And yet they do.I've been told plenty of times, the CEO does not need to be involved in football matters.
So I don't care if he's not experienced if he identifies and hires in the right people for the job (i.e. not Murtoughs).
I think Qatar will edge it as Saudi already have a PL clubQatar vs Saudi. How much could this auction fetch?
I understand now. Yeah I don’t much doubt it. I think specific demographics will feel a certain way.
Hard to call what the majority think though. Which is why I wanted a poll.
It's a historic time that's for sure!But gosh a Qatari posting the United badge looks good. The passion and pride they’ll have… to them it’ll be like our Crown Jewels, only they bought it for £5b
there's been stories about Qatar not wanting to pay the asking price too
we don't know if these are leaked or just made up nonsense
but if it's true it's just benchmarking anyway and super standard
Glazers have the option to buy Nice if they make the CLWhat incentives? I just don’t understand this. Balon Dor clause maybe?!
I don't think the issues are small or trivial. Human rights in the Gulf states is a major issue.
But the sad reality is, it isn't for most football fans. You can take it from me that there'll be no mass boycott from Utd fans if the Qataris take over and and protests that might occur will be tiny in size in comparison to say, the anti Glazer protests.
I'm not saying this is right or wrong, it's just patently what would happen.
Big difference between quietly negotiating with the club and setting out a public position in the media that's rather ridiculous and that you can't backtrack on without looking like a clown.
The main criticisms of Qatar being that - women are not allowed to be free, gay people are not allowed to exist and that migrant workers are treated horrendously with hundreds dying, apply to other countries as well?
What principles are on being owned by a company which is one of the biggest polluter in Europe, by a few banks, and by a tax dodger?
What incentives? I just don’t understand this. Balon Dor clause maybe?!
We’re going to rip everything up just when we’ve got our shit together.