Club Sale | It’s done!

[MUFC OK]

Makes sense. Channel for idiots.

Only an idiot would want us to be resourceful and to be able to challenge for the biggest trophies in the coming years.

I want whichever owner is willing to give ETH 3 or 4 1st choice signings in the summer. Because that's what I think is required for us to win a PL/CL. Oh, and they must be able to afford the much needed revamp of OT and facilities.

 

[KalleKlovn]

Nonsense.

Not at all. All titles we win will smell of dictator money.

 

[Verminator]

Very few articles about United’s ownership over the years, no one has felt sorry for us, they’ve been lapping it up for years and all of a sudden they’re worried about us? You couldn’t make it up.

Yep.
They've all enjoyed City's press facilities, and completely glossed over every negative, from finances to Abu Dhabi human rights.
Now they are changing the narrative and trying to manipulate fans using "United traditions".

It's to be expected.

 

[cyberman]

I've no idea what you're talking about.

You’ve just expanded on a post that basically said pointing out subtle pieces of racism in the article misses the point of the article.
Apparently pointing that out is just because we have a hard on for cash or other such nonsense

 

[Champ]

Do you think that
There's plenty of ways people can and do assist with these issues, so to say people are doing nothing is churlish and wrong.

Is the same as

Absolutely sweet FA.
Same as most people with reservations along those lines.

Do you actually think that most people are actively pursuing change in these nation state?

You're getting pedantic to try assume your point.
I am not interested in getting into a minutiae debate as it's pointless.

It's impossible to know what 'most' people do without guessing, but a simple act as voting for a certain party over another can be seen as having a big difference to human rights policies in certain regions due to different manifests, policies and outlooks.

I am being deliberately vague over this as I'm not interested in a political debate on this particular post but I hope you understand my point.
Just because a person isn't holding a placard in front of the rulers face doesn't mean they are doing 'nothing'.

 

[MUFC OK]

Thats horrendous. It has a name and it's valued dearly to the whole gulf region where we're the only once that wear them. It is beyond heinous to just call them like that. The Qataris even made it the mascot of the World Cup for crying out loud.

Luckhurst has always been a slimy piece of shit.

 

[cyberman]

Very few articles about United’s ownership over the years, no one has felt sorry for us, they’ve been lapping it up for years and all of a sudden they’re worried about us? You couldn’t make it up.

My example ti this is the reporting of the 6-3 earlier on as the crowd did the Poznań as they scored their 6th goal.
Didn’t see much lamenting about both ownership then. Apparently Liverpool v City is the greatest rivalry this league has ever seen as well.
No tarnished reputation there

 

[Giggsyking]

Talk about missing the point...

I am not, I know what he means, and I know his motives behind it. He is a known xenophobe, had grand issues on twitter and he deleted his tweets.

There were a big thread about his xenophobic remarks in the caf. Go read it.

 

[Adam-Utd]

To be fair if you're desperate for state ownership, that is weird. One thing making peace with it, but those genuinely giddy and begging for it baffle me a tad.

I think most are giddy at the thought of United finally competing for the PL and CL again.

People are talking about Qatar as they seem the most likely. Radcliffe isn't even offering the full asking price, and we're supposed to think he's the guy to propel us to the top?

I just want whats best for United, whoever owns us as long as they're not loading us with debt and stealing clubs money will be fine. IF they can pump money in for a new stadium and training ground then perfect.

 

[Samid]

I am not, I know what he means, and I know his motives behind it. He is a known xenophobe, had grand issues on twitter and he deleted his tweets.

There were a big thread about his xenophobic remarks in the caf. Go read it.

Link?

 

[bond19821982]

He's missing the point

If United had owners with their "shit in order" now, then very, very few people would be championing a takeover bid of any kind

I don't think "oil money" is the attraction - it's owners who'll allow United to fulfil their potential, which has been blocked with debt and poor ownership for the last 17 years

Exactly . Most of the fans would be fine with an Ambani or Apple take over . We need confirmation on two items-
Invest in the club and its facilities.
Don't put the financial burden on the club.

 

[Pickle85]

I am not, I know what he means, and I know his motives behind it. He is a known xenophobe, had grand issues on twitter and he deleted his tweets.

There were a big thread about his xenophobic remarks in the caf. Go read it.

I can't find it. You have a link?

 

[Pexbo]

wen natural gas

 

[Robertd0803]

I think the majority of us would want squeaky clean billionaire owners, not linked to any form of human rights abuses or any dodgy dealings but it's just not realistic.

For all the talk of the soul being sucked out of the club if we end up with Middle Eastern oil/gas money, I think we are all forgetting that WE are the soul of this club. The fans, community in Manchester and further afield, have been with this club the whole journey - Newton Heath to today.

New owners cannot wipe out the history of Manchester United - that's the difference between us and City. It was the difference between Chelsea and us when Roman took them over too. We have much more to us than success on the pitch and that can't be taken away.

Whatever outcome this brings, we will be free of the leech Glazer family and have an owner who is willing to invest to bring the success back to the club.

Well said.

 

[AlPistacho]

Almost 24 hours late.

But gosh a Qatari posting the United badge looks good. The passion and pride they’ll have… to them it’ll be like our Crown Jewels, only they bought it for £5b

 

[Pickle85]

You’ve just expanded on a post that basically said pointing out subtle pieces of racism in the article misses the point of the article.
Apparently pointing that out is just because we have a hard on for cash or other such nonsense

Yet again...the article wasn't racist. Let's try it another way...what about the article did you find racist? Or was it his reference to the way that groups of fans have acted in the past serving ad an indicator of what to expect in the future?

 

[Robertd0803]

So are we having a big Goblet of Fire style announcement ceremony at 10.30pm tonight here?

 

[Verminator]

You're getting pedantic to try assume your point.
I am not interested in getting into a minutiae debate as it's pointless.

It's impossible to know what 'most' people do without guessing, but a simple act as voting for a certain party over another can be seen as having a big difference to human rights policies in certain regions due to different manifests, policies and outlooks.

I am being deliberately vague over this as I'm not interested in a political debate on this particular post but I hope you understand my point.
Just because a person isn't holding a placard in front of the rulers face doesn't mean they are doing 'nothing'.

Just remember, it was you that initiated it by claiming I had just said "people are doing nothing" which implies nobody is.

Back to the thread.

 

[cyberman]

I can't find it. You have a link?

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/samuel-luckhurst-should-he-be-fired.430164/

 

[AlPistacho]

That guy's insufferable.

It’s the poll that matters and breakdown of demographics.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

How can I take a poll seriously by a journalist writing this? How is that not subtle racism and agenda in their journalism? This is disgusting, their true coulours are showing. Stereotyping arabs.

That literally already happened in Newcastle. How is suggesting that also might happen in Manchester being racist?!?

 

[BluesJr]

Thought some more stuff would be happening today. Maybe when the markets open.

 

[Herman Toothrot]

You’ve just expanded on a post that basically said pointing out subtle pieces of racism in the article misses the point of the article.
Apparently pointing that out is just because we have a hard on for cash or other such nonsense

I think he's citing actual instances from when both Newcastle and Manchester City were taken over. You could argue fans dancing around on SkySports with tea towels around their head is racist, I'd tend to agree, but it did happen and could well be aped by our own daft fans too.

 

[Herman Toothrot]

That literally already happened in Newcastle. How is suggesting that also might happen in Manchester being racist?!?

Jinx.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I think you've missed the point (not really, I just wanted to keep that going) - Maybe others will correct me, but I'm not seeing the argument that some specifically want United to be owned and funded by oil money, like city are. They'd fall to the Championship within 5 years of their owners leaving and extremely reliant on their oil money. I get the impression that some want Qatar mainly because it would mean they'd provide some capital investment and allow United to spend their own money without having to service debt (which alone would probably afford Mbappe)

And others seem concerned that any other of the widely reported interested parties will just saddle United with more debt.

Ratcliffe is actually my preferred, but I need to know more about his plans and his ambitions.

This is what we need to find out. We have always spent big on players, just not wisely. So promising signings means nothing. It is the plans for the infrastructure that is the big thing. We need someone who will do that, not just give it lip service then give the stadium a nice lick of paint. We also need someone who will not take money out of the club. Until we know who is putting bids forward, what their plans are for United we really are all arguing for the sake of it.

 

[SirAF]

Not at all. All titles we win will smell of dictator money.

That's your subjective opinion.

 

[Pickle85]

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/samuel-luckhurst-should-he-be-fired.430164/

Can't see the original tweet but judging by the response it looks like he made some pretty dicey tweets. Fair enough. That still doesn't make this recent article racist.

 

[Redfan94]

It’s going to be the Qatari’s, fine. I understand capitalism, and I’ve such a low opinion of the Glazers that I never expected anything other than the club being sold to the highest bidder. Should I, a lifelong Manchester United fan now be burdened with the issue of morality around continuing to support United? No.

What I don’t want to see going forward, is United winning silverware, the players, back room staff, and coaches celebrating on the pitch and then the inevitable photo op with the new owners which would be used as a token of the owners success, rather than the success of the club and the team. I’m a firm believer, the best ownersare the ones you don’t hear about, who operate in silence for the good of the club, not of their pockets.

That said, just as I thought after the World Cup in Qatar, hopefully there can be positives derived from this continued investment from Qatari, Saudi and other Gulf states in Western establishments and traditions, like United and the World Cup.

Hopefully we can continue to progress under Ten Hag and with the extra funds from a wealthy new owner, put them to use off the pitch by improving the infrastructure, bringing in the best in the World in terms of recruitment, data analysis, nutrition and whatever else is deemed necessary to gain the edge over our rivals.

 

[Verminator]

With Ratcliffe, I don't see a United fan with a dream of owning us in his twilight years. I see a Glazers' business model of leverage, only without their advantage of buying the club when it was cheap.

 

[Teja]

This is what we need to find out. We have always spent big on players, just not wisely. So promising signings means nothing. It is the plans for the infrastructure that is the big thing. We need someone who will do that, not just give it lip service then give the stadium a nice lick of paint. We also need someone who will not take money out of the club. Until we know who is putting bids forward, what their plans are for United we really are all arguing for the sake of it.

With Ratcliffe, I don't see a United fan with a dream of owning us in his twilight years. I see a Glazers' business model of leverage, only without their advantage of buying the club when it was cheap.

Yeah honestly as long as we get a clean start from the Glazer debt and suspended dividends we will be fine. Spurs and Arsenal could do a new stadium without sugar daddy money, United definitely can too.

Ratcliffe needs to come clean about how he's planning to fund it to get fans on his side.

 

[AlPistacho]

Makes sense. Channel for idiots.

Nice fans can’t wait for Ratcliff to get out. Let’s take him off their hands.

 

[AlPistacho]

Yeah honestly as long as we get a clean start from the Glazer debt and suspended dividends we will be fine. Spurs and Arsenal could do a new stadium without sugar daddy money, United definitely can too.

Ratcliffe needs to come clean about how he's planning to fund it to get fans on his side.

Spurs & Arsenal had austerity years

 

[AlPistacho]

I wish all these journalists and protective groups cared like this in 2005 when the glazers bought us with leveraged debt.

Exactly.

 

[PeteReDevil]

That literally already happened in Newcastle. How is suggesting that also might happen in Manchester being racist?!?

Aren't the caftards calling the journalist racist, thinking that's what the journalist is saying? Which clearly wasn't the case

 

[Raoul]

It’s going to be the Qatari’s, fine. I understand capitalism, and I’ve such a low opinion of the Glazers that I never expected anything other than the club being sold to the highest bidder. Should I, a lifelong Manchester United fan now be burdened with the issue of morality around continuing to support United? No.

What I don’t want to see going forward, is United winning silverware, the players, back room staff, and coaches celebrating on the pitch and then the inevitable photo op with the new owners which would be used as a token of the owners success, rather than the success of the club and the team. I’m a firm believer, the best ownersare the ones you don’t hear about, who operate in silence for the good of the club, not of their pockets.

That said, just as I thought after the World Cup in Qatar, hopefully there can be positives derived from this continued investment from Qatari, Saudi and other Gulf states in Western establishments and traditions, like United and the World Cup.

Hopefully we can continue to progress under Ten Hag and with the extra funds from a wealthy new owner, put them to use off the pitch by improving the infrastructure, bringing in the best in the World in terms of recruitment, data analysis, nutrition and whatever else is deemed necessary to gain the edge over our rivals.

The Qataris obviously wouldn't be the silent owners you long for as their entire interest in bribing their way into World Cup and buying United is to expand the global brand of their tiny, island, natural gas created nation state, which means we are more likely to see a replication of our version of Messi hugging the " football lovin' " Emir of Qatar at the WC trophy presentation than the anonymous, behind the scenes type ownership most would feel appropriate.

 

[Giggsyking]

I can't find it. You have a link?

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/samuel-luckhurst-should-he-be-fired.430164/

Not only a xenophobe, he is also an awful human being, look at the Fabrice Muamba tweets.

 

[Tom Cato]

Also gives a full breakdown of voters.

77% of those voters can kindly stub their toe every 20 minutes for 5 years.

 

[Teja]

Spurs & Arsenal had austerity years

Yes but we've shown we can service a debt of ~X00M GBP just fine thanks to the Glazers. Might be harder now with the end of cheap money but I think we can generally do a lot by ourselves.

 

[jm99]

I don't think it's fair to say that their religious texts (Quran & Hadith) mean their society is akin to the Dark Ages just because they're 1400 years old.

A huge amount of science, astronomy, geometry, mathematics, was developed by Arab scholars. That's why we have Arabic numerals, like 1,2,3 and so on.

Things aren't always what they seem from our perspective, that's all I'm saying.

I didn't say that tbf, I said that society where your morality still centres around what people thought over 1000 years ago is going to be less enlightened. Obviously there have been a lot of contributions from the Arab world, but there had been a lot of contributions from the UK, but when our morality was still taken from a 2000 year old book, we weren't shining examples in lgbt rights.

 

[Adam-Utd]

What happened to that temporary stadium in Qatar for the world cup?

Maybe they could ship it over here and put it up next to OT while it's renovated or rebuilt.