Club Sale | It’s done!

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georgipep said:
You can always choose. You can choose not to support a club owned by a dictatorship regime that oppresses its people and deprives them of basic human rights.
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Thanks for the moral lesson, bro. And you can choose not to post here or follow United, if this bothers you that much.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
We usually spend that anyway. We have matched City pound for pound in the market. We've just not matched them off the pitch in the infrastructure because the Glazers don't care about this club.

Still don't want the Qataris though. Loads of money yea but I'd feel very uneasy being used to sports wash their image.
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We don't usually spend that, fergie took a team on its last legs to the title. We needed serious investment then, moyes got fellaini then mata in January and they was it. Mourinho only got Fred in summer 2018. Yes we've spent big at certain points but the difference is with city when a player comes along that the manager thinks they need he gets them, no belt tightening, no sell before you buy, and sometimes spending later isn't the same when you've missed out at certain points. Summer 2018 was the time to push on, we'd finished second with 81 points, then the Glazers were satisfied and reigned it in
 
Wumminator said:
Yes he can. Does it not bother you were gonna lose a large part of our hardcore fanbase,
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We aren't going to lose anything. People will huff and puff but they'll still watch the games, maybe they'll skip a few but as soon as Liverpool at home comes around or we're top of the league they'll be back in, maybe they stop posting here for a while but they'll come back at some point.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
We usually spend that anyway. We have matched City pound for pound in the market. We've just not matched them off the pitch in the infrastructure because the Glazers don't care about this club.

Still don't want the Qataris though. Loads of money yea but I'd feel very uneasy being used to sports wash their image.
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Yep, if you look at the expenditure charts, we are usually right up there along with a mental wage bill. It's not about spending it s how to spend it. Which we have already improved massively under ETH. And even Arnold's gimmicky 'no more assholes' policy.
 
crossy1686 said:
Are they listed on an exchange? If so they have investors they have to keep happy and debt to the tune of £5b that has to be serviced is not what investors want to hear.

Chairmen or owners can remove money from the club in the form of a "management fee" at regular intervals. I'm not saying they wouldn't pursue more growth and revenue first but ultimately that debt has to be paid off and the other owners of INEOS won't be happy about their money being used to pay debt on a football team.
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Not sure mate, they are a private limited company. They may have investors.

And yes they could take fees and dividends etc. But you'd have to imagine anything they could take out of United wouldn't touch the sides of the yearly payments of a £5 billion pound debt.

If Ineos take on debt to buy a company with a view to growing the company as an asset. It wouldn't make much sense to cripple it with debt it couldn't hope to service. Yes the Glazers did it but for a much smaller amount that United sadly could afford to service.

Having said all of this it's probably a moot point at this stage. I don't think Ratcliffe will be taking over.
 
stevoc said:
Not sure mate, they are a private limited company. They may have investors.

And yes they could take fees and dividends etc. But you'd have to imagine anything they could take out of United wouldn't touch the sides of the yearly payments of a £5 billion pound debt.

If Ineos take on debt to buy a company with a view to growing the company as an asset. It wouldn't make much sense to cripple it with debt it couldn't hope to service. Yes the Glazers did it but for a much smaller amount that United sadly could afford to service.

Having said all of this it's probably a moot point at this stage. I don't think Ratcliffe will be taking over.
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Agreed, I think he's stretched as it is with his bid.

From what I understand they will front £4b and then take a loan to pay off United's debt. My concern is that the debt that will be paid off by the loan given to INEOS will then be given to United in the form of a loan, which will then be United's responsibility to pay back to INEOS. That's the kind of stuff Abramovich was doing at Chelsea whenever he put money into the club.

In all honesty, I'd prefer the club to be debt free and able to support itself with it's own revenue. I also don't see how Jimbo has an extra couple of billion to invest in the ground and infrastructure.
 
georgipep said:
You can always choose. You can choose not to support a club owned by a dictatorship regime that oppresses its people and deprives them of basic human rights.
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Generally the idea of supporting a club is that you stick with them no matter what. You evidently don't feel the same way. Might explain why you don't understand the opinions of people who simply want the club they love to do well. For you, it's not a passion, it's just a pass time.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Generally the idea of supporting a club is that you stick with them no matter what. You evidently don't feel the same way. Might explain why you don't understand the opinions of people who simply want the club they love to do well. For you, it's not a passion, it's just a pass time.
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Does this passion stand higher than the belief that every person deserves basic human rights?

If so, count me out.

Football is great, but not the most important thing in my life.
 
Dazzmondo said:
A hardcore fanbase would never stop supporting the club. Simple as that
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This is the truth really.

It's like the lads who went to support FC United when the Glazers took over, most of them came back at some point, and the one's that didn't were widely derided as not real fans in the first place.
 
Wumminator said:
YES! Just the fans we want!
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I mean maybe we'll be better with someone who sanctimonious criticised everyone who complained during moves and solskjaer's time here.

I still remember your round up of posts when we beat west ham 2-1, then we didn't win a game for about a month and you went silent :lol: :lol:
 
Mickeza said:
I could. I’m not going too though. I disassociate the ownership from the club. And no amount of judgement from you is going to change that. Thanks.
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Spot on mate, I really feel like some posters are like those really pushy Jehovah's witnesses trying to force their views on to you, and then are outraged when you don't give in.
 
jm99 said:
Normal rich billionaires who have 6bn liquid lying around and are interested in football and willing to spend it aren't a big group
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And that sums up the point where football has reached today. Fans, tradition, history and values can watch from the sidelines as despotic regimes fight with other billionaires for ownership and control of something neither of them are worthy to possess.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Generally the idea of supporting a club is that you stick with them no matter what. You evidently don't feel the same way. Might explain why you don't understand the opinions of people who simply want the club they love to do well. For you, it's not a passion, it's just a pass time.
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I'm not able to be passionate about things I don't admire. And I don't admire sportswashing projects, in fact I despise them. That's what the acquisition by Qatar would change.
 
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