Club Sale | It’s done!

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711 said:
I can be wrong like anyone else.

I would have been pleased at 'Sir Jim's' bid if he were buying it in his own name and had outlined his hopes and plans for the future, but Ineos has shareholders, and they are not altruists, they own their company for money, for profit as you say.

As for the ME nations, they've pumped billions into City and PSG, and my assumption, yeah, and I admit that is all it is, is that they will do the same for us. Whether you call it sportswashing or selling their brand, they spend to do it.

I get many people don't want ME people involved for moral or political reasons, but pretending there's no difference in the economics is furthering their cause. Might not be right but it's an honest answer.
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Yeah they are all about selling the brand and spend whatever it takes to be the best in class
 
dove said:
Well, instead of eating your popcorn and boasting about your dozens of multi billion USD deals, you can, you know, educate people by providing your valuable input here.
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But that's my point. Forget about trying to suss out who will buy United, how they will pay for it is unknowable at this point. So watching the invective behaviour about things that NO ONE knows to be true is what is fascinating.

I don't pretend to know who will buy United or how they will pay for it, but presenting a guess as fact and arguing with others who disagree with your "facts" is so very Trumpian in nature as to be fascinating to me.
 
Plant0x84 said:
I’ve seen NOTHING that suggests either party expects a financial return on investment, so why would Britain’s richest man be a money grabber any more than other billionaires?
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He wants to invest 50% of his wealth in this. Or less if he will have investors. Of course that he/they will want profit.
 
dove said:
Yea, their definition of fans is weird. That number would probably make sense for the amount of people that are aware of such name/brand "Manchester United" existing. That hardly makes them fans though.
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That survey also included other clubs. I suspect if you telly up the total number of fans including that of the other clubs, it would come to 20billion footy fans.
 
Plant0x84 said:
I’ve seen NOTHING that suggests either party expects a financial return on investment, so why would Britain’s richest man be a money grabber any more than other billionaires?
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Yea, you’re right, the guy running an investment fund who’s proposing taking on £800m in debt from the bank who bankroll Trump has exactly the same motivation as the Middle Eastern oil barons using the change they found down the back of the sofa.

Ratcliffe is a snake selling his own oil.
 
Cloud7 said:
Laughing at them aside I assume that the parties who are unsuccessful in acquiring United will move on to Liverpool next. While we are understandably taking up all the attention, after we’re sorted then you also have the second biggest club in England for sale, which surely has to be quite appealing to these same people as well.
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Read replies on that tweet. They have 18 (!!) potential buyers. :lol:
 
Rado_N said:
Yea, you’re right, the guy running an investment fund who’s proposing taking on £800m in debt from the bank who bankroll Trump has exactly the same motivation as the Middle Eastern oil barons using the change they found down the back of the sofa.

Ratcliffe is a snake selling his own oil.
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I need to put my hands on them sofas.:eek:
 
Ratcliffe’s bid just looks massively underwhelming and he was my preferred option at the beginning. Goldman Sachs & JP Morgan :rolleyes:
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Ratcliffe’s bid just looks massively underwhelming and he was my preferred option at the beginning. Goldman Sachs & JP Morgan :rolleyes:
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Surely you didn't think that he or anyone outside of banks have billions laying around that aren't attached to assets? Even the oil state funds get the cash from banks.
 
My heart cant take another Glazer style leveraged takeover. This needs to be properly communicated to the fans on the style of takeover.
 
JPRouve said:
Surely you didn't think that he or anyone outside of banks have billions laying around that aren't attached to assets? Even the oil state funds get the cash from banks.
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Yes but it could also mean that club assets are kept as collateral. With Qatar investors its less likely. As far as there is a guarantee that this wont be done, then i am fine. Leveraged buyout using club as collateral should be avoided
 
Ratcliffe seem to be the British version of the Glazers
 
Plant0x84 said:
You think he would be sold the club 1) without communicating with them or 2) calling them a bunch of wankers?
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You seemed to think he will be sold the club after criticizing them and calling them dumb money so sure. The main point is that his past pronouncements on the Glazers are no true indication of whether he would partner with them or not. If he sees a chance to make a quick buck he would partner with Josef Mengle, it is how he made his fortune.
 
TheReligion said:
You should also not be spamming the thread with this rubbish. Aren’t you an adult?
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Most of those posts were in response to other posts. From my part, I hope that Ratcliffe stays away from our club. He should focus on avoiding tax, pollute Middlesbrough and mismanage Nice. Let united go to someone who can afford it and can bring it back to its former glory
 
Glazer will sell to the ones they can milk the absolute most out of. Qatar that is..
 
devilish said:
Most of those posts were in response to other posts. From my part, I hope that Ratcliffe stays away from our club. He can keep avoiding tax, pollute Middlesbrough and mismanage Nice. Let united go to someone who can afford it
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Yes we know you don’t want him and that’s fine. I believe you made the point several times.

I just don’t see the point in clogging up the thread with childish posts. They devalue your reputation as a poster.
 
BlueHaze said:
Glazer will sell to the ones they can milk the absolute most out of. Qatar that is..
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Just because they are rich that doesn't mean that they would want to be taken for the cleaners
 
TheReligion said:
Yes we know you don’t want him and that’s fine. I believe you made the point several times.

I just don’t see the point in clogging up the thread with childish posts. They devalue your reputation as a poster.
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Thanks for your concern
 
If I were to speculate, Qatar were always in pole position and the Glazers are just trying to shake their piggy bank for another few hundred million.

We've seen Avram Glazer pictured speaking to the Qatari shortly before NY, he was also at the World Cup and again the speculation has always been that they've had a buyer lined up before announcing their intention to sell.

I think there was also a titbit of the Glazers receiving an offer from one of the wealthy Qatari families for 1.1bn back in 2011 which they rejected.

It all sounds quite plausible but I guess we'll know sooner rather than later, hopefully by end of Feb, so EtH can set his plans in motion for the summer window and beyond.
 
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